Hey Guyz! :)

I noticed some things in advent children and i want to know if you guyz picked this out too...

The scene where Cloud is speaking to Rufus

Rufus: 'So we have come to the conclusion of hiring a well trained bodyguard'

Cloud: 'My job is to Deliver Packages'

Rufus: 'You're the only one who can do it, I beg of you ex-SOLDIER Cloud'

Cloud: 'I call myself that'
Notice how Cloud turns around and makes his way to leave?almost as though he was upset,Anywayz my point is i think Rufus may have upset Cloud when he asked him to be his Bodyguard (coz we all know that Cloud was Aeris's bodyguard) Maybe this caused Cloud to feel even more guilty, thats why he doesnt agree to it and he turns around to leave so suddenly, i might be over analyzing but what do u guyz think?

I also think that Cloud living in the church clearly tells us that he wants to stay close to Aeris
In the game Cloud fell through the roof and met Aeris properly, so its the first place that he got to know her and after her death Aeris's presence was seen in the church fixing the flower bed. This is a big give away! its like Cloud lives in the church because its where he feels closest to Aeris :sad: and notice how the flowers are almost perfect? he must take care of them for her,anywayz i just thought that was really cute.

In the scene where Cloud is back to back with Aeris, we can tell that he's shocked at first but if u look closer he looks teary :sad: and if u listen to the noises he makes, it almost sounds like he's crying awww i just felt like jumping in and giving cloudy a hug. In this scene Aeris is standing perfectly straight, but Clouds head is bowed down :( This shows us that he is still grieving.

The scene where Cloud is talking to Tifa...

Tifa: 'Did we.. lose to our memories?'

The Wind then blows, and Cloud says 'But...i let her die without helping it at all..'

Aeris: You sure drag around alot, hey why dont you forgive yourself already?'
This scene is linked with the lyrics after the ending where cloud is riding his motorcycle 'like someone had said it once, the answer is hidden within the wind'
WIND! Whenever Cloud has encounters with Aeris in AC, theres always a gust of wind! what do u guyz think ?

Then theres the scene with the phone in the water where Clouds recieving messages from everyone, But Aeris is the last message she says, 'i have never detested you even once, You came to visit me didnt you? that alone is enough' :aeris: awww i wish cloud got that msg! straight after this scene we see the wolf jump into the water at the forgotten capital, could this be symbolic of Clouds guilt getting lighter? can someone analyze this better??

THE BAHAMUT SCENE! just look at Clouds expression when he sees Aeris! even though he's in grave danger we see that he looks relieved, and once again theres wind and then Aeris pulls him up and it seems like he's stronger as he slashes through the beast. Cloud seems very motivated! and then Cloud falls back down and as he lands we see how he pauses and exhales deeply, the camera then zooms in on his face and again theres wind, we can see that Cloud has a smile here and then his attension focuses to Kadaj, Did anyone else notice this?

The church scene i think water is symbolic of Aeris coz her she was laid to rest in water, it is evident that Cloud can feel her presence here. I just think it was really cute how Cloud paused for a moment whilst touching the ribbon on his arm, Aeris then breaks the silence when she says 'lets go Cloud' i think this is when he realises that Aeris is with him all along :)

In the Sephiroth scene

Sephiroth: 'What is the most important thing to you?' ' Will you give me the happiness of taking that away from you?'
Cloud then has flashbacks, but the first thing he thinks about is Aeris.

Could Aeris be the most important thing to Cloud? the sad thing is Sephiroth already had taken Aeris away from Cloud.

Sephiroth: Interesting..what made you stronger?

Cloud: 'I dont want to tell it to the likes of you!'
Cloud gets defensive here, i believe its because Aeris is what made him stronger. Tifa even says on the Sierra...

Tifa: 'Two years ago...the strong feeling was certainly there after the last fight'

Tifa: ' In just two years..that feeling was lost befre he realized it. i think that Cloud was able to regain that'
Im pretty sure she's reffering to Aeris here, any other suggestions?

And the ending and after the credits is pretty self explanatory :D :cleris: :D

Did i leave any other Cloud and Aeris hints out? Sorry this is a long post, i just wanted to outline all these scenes, please reply i would like to here your opinions :)

You've made some really good observations there, Mz. Tiesto! Nice job! :cheer:

Yes, I think there's other indications, too. For example, Cloud looks out the window at the Angel statue after waking up at the Seventh Heaven, which could mean he's thinking of Aerith. His hands are cupped in a heart shape when he pours the water on Denzel near the end. Since the water is from Aerith, that may mean that he's holding Aerith in his heart. To me, the video of Calling at the end meant that Cloud would be able to meet with Aerith in the flower field whenever he wants to now. I also took Reminiscence to mean that Cloud plans to spend the next day with Aerith in the flower field.

I'm too tired to think of more right now! :lol:

Wow, I never even thought Cloud being uneasy with agreeing to be Rufus' bodyguard because he was once Aerith's. Good interpretation!

Its so obvious that Cloud feels comfort in Aerith's church. Besides that being the first place he met her, its one of the few places he got to spend with her that didnt bring back terrible memories (i.e. Forgotten Capital). And in the game, he sees Aerith's ghost tending to the flowers,but before he gets closer, she disappears. Maybe Cloud chose tom live in the church attempting to wait for her to appear again, so he could finally see her.

And honestly, if he did feel comfortable with Tifa like the CloTi's say, dont you think he'd be living in the Seventh Heaven with her, Denzel, and Marlene instead of the church? Its obvious that he feels something for Aerith that comforts him, its not everyday someone -lives- in a church.

In the Sephiroth scene when Sephiroth says "What is most important to you? Will you give me the peasure of snatching it?" you see Cloud give a icy glare towards Sephiroth before a flash of Aerith is seen first, then everyone else. This could symbolize that Cloud feels that Sephiroth already snatched what's most important to him, and that is Aerith. (The flash of Tifa and the kids could mean that Cloud cares for them as a family or very close friends and wouldnt want Sephiroth to dare lay a finger on them. And lets not forget that Sephiroth injured Tifa severly in the Mako Reactor during the Nibelheim incident, and Cloud wasnt a very happy camper after that.).

Aerith also appears to give Cloud alot of stength and confidence. During the Bahamut scene, Cloud was very scared for himself that he couldnt do it and might fail again, you could tell by looking at his face (Cloud is easy to read once you get the hang of it xD). But when Aerith comes, he immediately straightens up and rids of Bahamut. And during the Sephiroth scene when Cloud was stabbed in the shoulder, maybe it was the thought of Aerith being taken from him and the fact that Sephiroth has the power to rid of his friends too that gave Cloud the will power and strength to pull the blade out of his shoulder and call the finishing blow on Sephi.

And also at the end of the movie, when Aerith shows and Cloud gets to see her face for the first time in a long time, he gives a full fledged smile. When he glanced at Tifa and was around the children, he was only smiling lightly. But for the first time, he -actually- gave a real smile when he saw Aerith.

I think everyone knows the meaning for the end credits, no matter how much the CloTi's deny it xD Cloud's riding his Fenrir, a smirk upon his face, to the flower fields to see if he can meet Aerith there. And he brings back flowers from the fields, maybe to have a bit of Aerith with him always.

The wolf jumped in the lake? I thought it was an illusion, which is why it dissappeared..

Nevertheless, maybe that did symbolize his guilt getting lighter. Note that the Wolf appears for the first time at Zack's resting place, where Cloud lost his best friend forever, and he felt guilty for it because Zack died to save -his- life. The wolf is seen again when Cloud has collasped with Tifa in the church from his Geostigma acting up, resembling that Cloud failed to help a friend, again. Then the Wolf appears at Aerith's final resting spot. See the pattern? The wolf visits all of the spots that had the greatest imapct on him. Maybe it repesents the guilt that he carries on his heart, as Cloud is described as a lone wolf. And if it did dissapear/jump into the water after hearing Aerith's message, maybe it was a sign that Cloud's guilt did begin to lift off his shoulders a bit..

I hope all that made sense xD;

Yup, when Cloud got stabbed in the arm, he has his flash backs and this is what was in his flahback: (first - last pic) Aeris's hand reaching for his, Aeris praying, Zack, Aeris in Cloud's eyes, Tifa, Marlene, Denzel, Denzel Tifa and Marlene... and that's it!

Since i burned it onto a DVD, i could watch it on TV and i also noticed at the end, when Cloud scoops up water to pour on Dezel, the water in his hands was in a PERFECT heart shape - another Cleris hint! :cleris:

Well, I haven't really seen the movie....but from what I can tell....

If Cloud's flashbacks in the the order of "Aeris's hand reaching for his, Aeris praying, Zack, Aeris in Cloud's eyes, Tifa, Marlene, Denzel, Denzel Tifa and Marlene... "

Isn't that like in ORDER OF IMPORTANCE? I mean, if someone asked you something like that the most IMPORTANT thing would jump to your mind, right? And yes, I know Denzel and Marlene are important to him, so maybe them twice? I guess Tifa was shown twice, based on the above but Aeris was shown 3 times. THREE. I think that says a lot.
:cleris: :huggle:

Oh yeah! When he gets those flash backs, Aeris comes first! I was soo happy when i saw that! I watched it with my sister, who is sadly a Tifa fan. :(
It really occured to me at the end. He smiled so beautifully. It just gave me a feeling of relief. Like, Aeris is always their for him and will always be. :cleris: The part where hes about to slice Bahamut, (if thats how you spell the name) and he grabs Aeris's hand. Then when he lands, he looks at his hands in shock like. Or when he stabs the buster sword in the ground, then some dirty white and yellow petals blow away. It really gives it away. :D

Oh, yey! I vaguely thought of that when Rufus made the bodyguard comment! Haha . . . It's nice to know I'm not making something out of nothing.

Anyway, in terms of the whole "Important" thing, I don't really think the number of times so-and-so appeared in that instance is all that important. Nor is it important, IMO, who came first and who came last.

What is very telling, for me anyway, in the whole, "What is most important to you? Will you give me the peasure of snatching it?" is the fact that Sepiroth hints that taking away this "Important" whatever will give Cloud despair and that it is something he looks forward to, something that he might have done before.

"Will you give me the pleasure of snatching it away?"
"Shall I give you despair?"

Sepiroth's lines in the movie seems to reaffirm that Aeris is the "most important" to Cloud, because she is the one Sepiroth "snatched" away in the game, the cause of Cloud's despair.

The thing I like in the memory-sequence is not the fact that he though of Aeris first, but that Cloud's first memory after this question is his hand-reaching moment with Aeris. It was different because Zack, Tifa, Marlene and Denzel all showed their faces, and although one can argue that Aeris' face is never fully exposed, Cloud does still think of her face, while she was praying, so why not think of that first? It made me think there's something memorable in that, something "important" enough to warrant Cloud to think of it first when the question, "Will you me the pleasure of snatching it away?" was asked.

"There is nothing that isn't important," Cloud says, as if he's just learned of it after that flashback. I'd like to think that the realization that Death really isn't the end of everything helped in this.

Exactly. I didn't think the wolf jumped in the lake too. It just . . . disappeared. Isn't it telling that the only place where the wolf vanishes is at Aeris' resting place? It made me think that, though the others are important to him, it is what AERIS thinks of HIM that ranks most important.

i liked all the aerith flashbacks, it brings memories right? ^^

Ooooh, I never even thought that Cloud was upset over the bodyguard thing cause of Aerith! But yeah, now that I think about it, that does make a lot of sense, especially because this movie really emphasized his guilt when it came to the death of Aerith (something that slightly bothered me; her death OBVIOUSLY meant much more to him than that in the game, even CloTi's can't deny it).

I was really surprised that SE would do something so suggestive as have Cloud living in Aerith's church. They've always stayed true to the "it's up to the player" policy in regards to the infamous FFVII love triangle debates, but when they had Cloud hiding away from everyone in Aerith's church, I thought it was very indicative that he always felt a warm comfort from her memories and spiritual presence. Of all places to go, why would he go to her church to live out the remainder of his days if he only cared about her as a friend? He cared about all the others as friends, but he pulled himself away from them when he found out that he had Geostigma. While he recluded from Tifa, he sought the comforting presence of Aerith at her church. Hmm... seems to me that he cares more about Aerith than he does about Tifa.

I loved it when Cloud was flying upwards to attack Bahamut Sin, and he sees Aerith. Right before this moment, he has a very battle-ready glare on, but as soon as you can vaguely hear her theme and can see her reflection in his eyes, his expression changes instantly. He goes from looking angry to shocked, nostalgic, and undeniably mournful. *Sighs* Clerith<33

Something I found really touching is when Cloud is first drawn into the flower field. That alone was touching, but I found it particularly sad when he tries to turn around to look at her, but she disappears.

In Disc 3, I nearly cried when I entered Aerith's church and was shocked to see her ghost kneeling there, tending the flowers. I had already heard rumors, but I thought it was nothing more. I actually told the person who was with me at the time that this should be a bonus FMV scene, Cloud spotting Aerith's ghost in her church. Seeing it actually in AC made me full on burst into tears :sad: .

Yeah, I thought I was the only one who noticed that the first thing Cloud thought of when Sephiroth asked him what was most important to him was Aerith. I also picked up on how he thought of her alone three times and Tifa alone only once. Hah! In your face CloTi's!

Cloud x Aerith forever! :cleris:

I didn't think about that bodyguard thing, that is a very good observation. I too noticed that he thought about aerith immediately when sephy asked him that. Also I keep hearing about reminiscence can somebody please tell me what that is because nobody will tell me and I asked a bunch of times. Well now all this talk is making me want to watch advent children again see ya. I have to watch all the signs again that I missed the first time.

Great observations. I honestly think that AC has a lot of Cleris hints if not obvious, probably just implied.... :)

I wonder if maybe Cloud could only hear Aeris at the church, in the beginning, and that's why he moved there. I know he's not an ancient but for some reason Aeris can talk to him. But Aeris always said that she could only hear the voices at the church

Aeris: I, I only heard it at the Church in the Slums. Mother said that Midgar
was no longer safe. That is…my real mother. Someday I'll get out of Midgar…
Speak with the Planet and find my Promised Land. …That's what mom said. I
thought I would stop hearing her voice as I grew up, but…

Maybe he went there one day, heard her voice and decided to move in.
:cleris: Also, when Aeris left the message on his phone, I wondered if that happened alot. Tifa said to him "You always have your phone on you yet you never answer!" Maybe Aeris could only leave messages, that's why he checked his messages from time to time. Maybe she told him to go to the church where she could talk to him...I dunno, I'm just passing on some of my ideas, as ridiculous as they may sound. :lol:

actually those are some pretty interesting theories sam. I never thought about that before. I do believe he went to that church because he could either 1 hear her or 2 feel her prescence there. That's an interesting theory about the phone thing

wow! really great theories..

wait.. lemme get my ff7:AC cd.. i wanna watch it again!! :fangirl:

i noticed the flashback part the most though.. XD aeris is the most important person!! :fangirl:

What's interesting about that scene is that Cloud still treasures Aerith's memories. Indications that he'd never let these things go no matter how trivial it is to others. ^_^

I just realized something about a certain part. When Cloud is flying up to attack Bahamut. I am not sure if anyone saw this or i must have imagined it. But! When he is about to slice and he already past everyone that tossed him up, if you pay close attention you notice he is slowly starting to waver. I mean you can see his face a bit if you look closely, you can see he is like slowly losing faith. (not sure if it is faith i just can't find the right words) until he sees Aerith and she extends her hand to him. Not only did she lift him up to succeed in defeating Bahamut but she was also able to lift up his spirit. *nods head*
Also i am not sure if anyone mentioned this or i might be reading way to much into this part, but the wolf that always mysteriously shows up in every place that Cloud stood or was. Like the part of his Sword, the church, near the ending where he is somewhat dead floating in the white abyss. Could you consider that lovely oh so lovely (i am a wolf lover =P) creature was like a guardian a spirit of Aerith? Or i am just insane. XD But my first part is true. I need to see it once more but that is what i truly saw.

The wolf seemed more like a represintation of Zack to me. After all, it first appeared where Zack's sword (and presummable Zack) was laid to rest.

Okay well i could be wrong with the whole Wolf thing. =p I wasn't sure. Wait are you sure that is Zack's sword? I mean Cloud had that one too...okay nvm =P

The wolf represents Cloud's guilt. Its been confirmed by Nomura in an interview. So no, wolf is not some supernatural transmutation of Zack.

Awww the wolf represents his guilt. T_T But wolves are so lovely how can that be? *Cries* Sorry i am a wolf lover. XD Thank you for clearing that up yin-chan. =3

Maybe it's just me, but I don't believe Sephiroth could ever take Aerith away from Cloud. From what Nomura has said in Distance, it seems to me like the consciousness of a person is what's important. Even after people have already passed away, their consciousness continues to live on in others. In Aerith's case, her consciousness continues to live on in Cloud...meaning, it prevents her from truly being gone.

Sephiroth's line here: Will you give me the happiness of taking that away from you? followed by Aerith flashing through Cloud's head reinforces the whole idea that although dead, Aerith hasn't been taken away. Those images are indeed what is important to him and things that Sephiroth would enjoy taking away.

I agree with you. I'm not a fonder of idea that Cloud in that scene thinks of the people that were taken away first. If it was so, then it would be more logically if Cloud thought of Zack first. And also, why show Aerith three times then? I don't think this was a representative of 'teh huuuuuge undying guilt!!!1!'
And I also noticed one thing. For me Cloud actually starts to remember all those people who are important for him even before Sephiroth asks him about that pleasure thing.
If think that our favourite blond really remembers all important for him than it comes out that Aerith is the most important (heck, this word repeats in any line :/ ): he thinks of her first and even three times which represents at least for me that he thinks about her for a long time.

I thought about that too. If Cloud was first thinking about who he lost and then thinking of who he still has to lose, why would SE have shown Aerith three times instead of just once like Zack? And if Nomura says that Aerith still lives on inside Cloud, then he never really did lose her, did he? That whole flashback thing pretty much said to me that Aerith is first and foremost in Cloud's mind.

Let me add two other perspectives.

First:Even Tifa realizes why she's not getting herself any Cloud snuggles. "Must we lose out to a memory?" And then, in the deleted scene, she adds, "There, I said it!"

Second:One other sidenote about the Bahamut scene.

Each Member of Avalance throws Cloud up in turn.

Consider...what if the people throwing him up are in order of furthest from Cloud's heart...to the closest?

The order has significance.

Tifa, certainly, is the second closest to Cloud, and she's the last to throw him up before Aerith.

Aerith, from Beyond the Grave...giving Cloud the energy he needs. And possibly using her Fury Brand Limit Break to empower Cloud's Limit.

Interesting thought, Angelalex242. I'll have to take a look at the order again, but you're right that Tifa was the last person to throw him up before Aerith, and seems to be closest to him out of the companions.

Wow, I never thought of it that way...
It looks pretty obvious that power or some sort of magic was transmitted from her hand to Cloud's...but I completely overlooked the idea of her Fury Brand limit break. :o

if you have played the pc version you will see that that is the same spot where Zack gets killed by the shinra - if you check on the feature disc of ffviiac and watch the remminice (sos about spellin) of ffvii then you wil see.

Those are all really good points. But Cloud was able to talk to her, even though she's dead. He never got a chance to talk to the dark-haired guy.

Sorry guy's but I really don't wanna be a downer. But here are my thoughts.

I personally believe that Cloud stays there for about three reasons.

One, like you said are his connection with Aeris.

Two, he knows he failed and her church is about to die it is abandoned and everything, so since he failed her in life, he will keep her church close to him. Thats all he has left, and thats all that he can do for her is too watch over her church.

Three, Aeris heals. Because Aeris is looked at among everyone in this movie as the healer/helper/savior. Her church is the only place with flowers, Cloud stays there too feel healed. Staying with Tifa and Denzel would bring him down, causing him to die quicker, so he needs to get out of that area and be at peace. Her church is also a place where almost every event happens making it seem like everyone is thinking about Aeris. <---this one though I won't say I think Cloud doesn't love Aerith because it can be interpreted like that. ^^---<

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Too me, Cloud made more of a grunt sound and a "oh" sound. Almost amazed. If you are talking about the Japanese, it sounds way more gruntish too me. English it is more of a realizing where he is.

Cloud has his head down in shame, he doesn't accept the fact that it isn't his fault for her death. Thats why she says, "You came even though your about to break." She says that because Cloud is going to break essentially, he has had so much pain from her death, because of friendship, and his duty to be a bodyguard. Now in that time he could have fallen in love. Or they could be really good friends.

Aeris also says that line, because Tifa had to argue with him too get him to go. She is on Aeris's side to get Cloud too confront his sorrow. I think everyone feels sorrow and pain from Aeris' death, but Cloud failed her in a sense. He still lived up to his "soldier" promise, yet failed her. This is more of a sign of Cloud is more of a friendship with her, because a lover would more be happy to see their dead lover. Cloud hasn't moved on from being a puppet. And because of that he feels like he had killed his own friend. The way he stands in the field is more of a friendship stand. After he asks for forgivingness Aerith says "by who?" he makes a "uhh?" sound almost in a sense of amazement that she asks him, or has time to joke. And then only at that time does he try too look. If he loved her he would still look or try before that point. but he can't look at her face, because he hasn't forgiven himself, that is why he flashes back. He also doesn't make a point of hugging her.

Cloud is more of ashamed he let her die. He lost a friend. Watched her die. Tifa has moved on. Yes she still feels the pain. She is sad also by how she thanks Aeris at the end of the movie. She knew Aeris was okay. She trusted her. But that doesn't stop the pain. Tifa also earlier delivers he line, "You hate being alone, and you never answer your phone, but I don't see you throwing it away either." It is more of a reference too, his loss is something he can't cope with. Either of a friend or lover. but he doesn't move on. Two years and he broods over the fact of a death. SO Tifa tells him, a memory is nice, but you can't live with them. so he may have loved Aeris, as a friend or lover but he won't move on. No Tifa doesn't want to move in on Cloud. She is worried about her friend, and she is way more helpful then people give her credit. She is aware of Clouds loss. I am not arguing that he doesn't love her. But realistically, if you watched a friend die, after promising to protect them, wouldn't you brood over it? The game could have been months before Aeris died. Cloud could have built up a really good friendship so too lose someone after being so close and upholding your promise is dramatic. He doesn't like to be left alone, because he knows Aeris died that way, he left her alone /she left him. Alone too Cloud symbolizes that death and sorrow can come from that.

The phone scene is more of Cloud and his mind/sanity. Everything everyone is saying is jumbled. The phone's messages are like that because it's breaking. Cloud is breaking. "You came even though your about to break." He is losing it from being alone. Cloud let Aeris his friend maybe more, die. Aeris is the last, because she is the one who he needs to be forgiven by in his mind. So she says, "I never blamed you not once. You came thats all that matters." He came for her, he tried to help, it isn't his fault. She is basically telling him, "move on, live. Death is a part of life, your okay I'm okay." She isn't the last the phone says because of love, it is because she is the one who makes or breaks his sanity. He is close to going crazy over sorrow and pain. He wants her forgiveness, but he won't take it because he can't talk too her.

^ this one I can't argue with. Even though I just figured Cloud looked more amazed then anything. Materia is from the lifestream, Aeris is in the lifestream and seems to be able to manipulate it, so because Materia is connected to the lifestream. Bahamut used an attack forged from himself who is created from the lifestream. Cloud entered it. And really that blast should have killed him. IF you look closely Aerith heals him, because once they touch hands the green healing light goes around Cloud. Cloud is also amazed (back to my lifestream thing) because at the end of FFVII he sees the same hand. Aerith is still there for him. This is when Cloud realizes that he is "forgiven" in a sense. Because after that Cloud is on his game.
Aerith heals him again which makes him even more aware of the fact that everything is okay. And notice the healing, it is the same green floatyness like when Cloud was in Bahamut's attack.

Aeris' final Limit is Gospel rain or something like that. It is rain. FFVII is circled around life and death. The water that gushes out starts out green from the attack that Kadaj did, which shows now Aerith has a chance to be connected to her church, where she uses her limit to make the rain come out to heal. Because the same droplet comes out in Marlene's(sp) room, and we know Marlene doesn't love Aerith in the sense Cloud does (or doesn't). She says "Let's go Cloud." And he then realizes. "Oh I am forgiven." this is the final evidence he needs. She heals him twice. and tells him that he can do it. "Lets go." could mean, "I know you can do it." so he is ready.

Cloud also thinks of Tifa last. So you could argue save the best for last. But this could resemble love. But Aerith didn't make him stronger. He had always been that strong, he just never did his best because he was still racked with pain. He tells Tifa that there is no cure for the stigma. Tifa then asks him if he is just going to die. and he doesn't answer and Tifa divers, "So it is." Meaning Cloud gave up on himself. He doesn't believe he can do anything right, so why bother.

Suicidal much? lol...j/k sorry.

But, Tifa says Cloud found it, Cloud found his strength, he found that he isn't to blame. Now I am not arguing that Cloud wasn't made stronger by Aeris at all. In fact this event is very ClAeris.

The ending, Cloud watches as Aerith goes into the lifestream. She is at peace. and now so is Cloud. I personally believe that this scene represents Clouds more connected to Aeris as a friend because he is no longer blaming himself. But i don't think he can see her. Because Aerith is dead. I think he can go to the flowerfeild/forgotten city and be with Aeris spiritually. Like when someone goes to a grave or their deciced loved ones favorite spot. They feel connected to them. Like my great grandpa died. And I feel more connected to him at the beach, because he loved it there. So that is my interpretation.



On a side note though, Cloud could love Aeris, but Aeris had every chance to get Cloud to be with her. So she may not love him. The scene where Cloud is in the lifestream after being shot. Aeris could have kept him. But she didn't. In Bahamut's attack, if she never healed him, she could have been with him. So that could be a possibility.

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You forgot the scene where Cloud puts the buster sword in the ground and says how he chose to live for Zack. Very CloZack! YAY! lol...sorry that is my fav Pairing. Then CxA. Then CxCid. me lovely that for some odd reason.

Okay shutting up now.

Actually, that just proves to me that she loves him even more. Aerith's style has always been to do what was in Cloud's best interest whenever it came to him:

- She left him to recover after the Temple of the Ancients to pursue Holy and Sephiroth herself, because she knew he was a wreck at that point.

- She sacrificed herself to save the Planet, knowing Cloud would be safe through her actions. Even though she really wanted to be with him physically, she decided to follow her duty as a Cetra, as that would mean Cloud would be safe too (although I would think it's up to interpretation which was more prominent in her mind at the time-- Cloud's safety or the Planet's safety).

- She helped Cloud repair his old memories during the Lifestream event, then sent him back to the upper world. This is something like how Aerith heals Cloud's Geostigma and his gunshot wound. In all three cases, if she had simply left him alone, he would've joined her in the Lifestream much earlier than he would if he survived. But Aerith knew he was young, he had such a future, and Cloud hadn't really truly "lived" up to that point in his life without experiencing intense pain, hurt, sadness. So she healed him, and sent him back to give him his second (third? :lol: ) chance to live his life happily.

Well, this is just how I interpret her actions. It seems more consistent with Aerith's personality than her wanting Cloud to die to be with her. Aerith isn't that selfish a character, or at the very least, she's able to put the greater good over her own personal desires.

Another one of Aerith's particular aspects is that she's okay with letting Cloud go. She doesn't hang onto him tightly, but is able to trust in him. Biggest example would be how she sent him off with her blessing to fight Sephiroth in KH2. I feel that shows she trusts Cloud to return to her when all was settled.

Interesting idea, I've never seen anyone put it this way. ^_^ In a way, it's similar to some of our ideas that Cloud draws "comfort" from the church. Although I think that idea predominantly emphasises drawing comfort from memories of Aerith that linger in the church, and not so much the healing aspect.

Never thought about the phone scene in this way, either. I always viewed that moment as showing us two things:

- AVALANCHE cares about Cloud. A lot. I know that's a given, but some people might think it was only Tifa who was excessively worried about Cloud. The phone messages show differently-- his friends have been calling him, and they're all concerned for him. This kinda enforced to me how one of Tifa's roles in AC was as the face of AVALANCHE, to express their concerns for him without plunking the whole crew down throughout the movie.

- Cloud keeps his friends close to heart. Tifa hit it on the mark-- even though he doesn't answer his phone, he still keeps it. His friends are still important to him. He saved their calls/messages to remind himself of them.

And I felt Aerith's voiceover was included to show that she was also part of the AVALANCHE family concerned for Cloud. I've always seen it as an 'AVALANCHE moment' rather than a Cleris moment, but you've got a good point about how it symbolises Cloud's mental state.

I'll not argue the significance of the sequence of flashbacks, since that's rather open to interpretation and we'll never come to a definite conclusion. :P

As for the second part-- I believe it's meant that Aerith made Cloud stronger emotionally and psychologically. You're right in that he's always had that physical strength, but it was buried under lots of guilt and distress. Realising he wasn't to blame after 'meeting' Aerith in that white flowerfield, that he didn't fail her etc., that served to remove the guilt and unearth his original strength-- the strength from two years ago.

:lmao: I've said it before, AC has pairing hints for EVERYONE. XD

You made really great points. Which do proove that this it is all up interpretation. :D


I hope in my big paragraph I didn't have alot of spelling errors. :whistle:

But yeah.....I do agree with your points also. But I still like to keep my interpretations, and others close to heart...because lots of people can make really great points.

I was also sorta/techincally joking about the selfish Aerith thing. I shoulda put that. Instead of saying that could be a possibility I coulda but J/k...but meh.

but yes Lynn, I do agree with your points. and you can find every pairing in the movie.

hehehe YuffiexCid :devil:

Why does this show that Aerith might not love Cloud? If you love someone, surely you don't want them to die!

Aerith would never be that nonchalant as to just let Cloud die so he can stay by her side. If anything, I say her healing him proves she loves him.

Did you read my other post? I said that I was kidding. Plus I also added it could be a possibility. The whole thing is up to interpretation. So someone could think that. I just wanted to point some of my balives and other possibilities. If you read it, I pointed out what I thought, and everything I said really pointed in Aeris' direction for loving Cloud.

Right. It's your interpretation. I'm merely stating my interpretation as well. Though I didn't feel that everything you said pointed that Aerith loved Cloud, perhaps that differs from the way we view it respectively.
As for the bit where you said you were joking, I might not have noticed that, as you mentioned how it was a possibility in the post before. So for that, I apologize.

Well we know that Aerith loves Cloud, it states that in MotP, she just didnt want Cloud to die an early death. She sacrificed herself to save the Planet, but she did it for Cloud specifically as well. Anyway, the point is, she wanted him to LIVE...for real, live a real, happy, healthy life, unlike what he grew up with.

Hmm.. I think this is the right place to put this... and I have been looking around and i Havent seen this "hint" posted or promptly advertized. Sorry for those who think this is obvious, but I've never noticed it and ive seen the movie many times:



After the credits, the movie switches scenes to inside Seventh Heaven, specifically Cloud's Desk.

In the camera shot/scene right before the camera moves to a close of of the two framed pictures... does anyone else notice the rougly 22 pictures of the Flower field from the credirs scene. You know.. the one where (phsychically or metaphorically) Aeris was standing in.. adn the one that Cloud was riding to?


I think the credits scene really has more todo with "hinting at Cloud's feelings" than people generally realize.

ya i agree with aeris007! I know people say that cloud moves on with tifa after AC
but then why doesn't it show him even near tifa in the credits. It only shows him and aeris. I think he'll continue his job and i think he knows aeris is always with him and that he can see her in the flower fields. I think he'll wait for her and then meet again with her when he dies. After all I think he was going to see her in the credits. Tifa i believe is a good friend of his and i don't hate her though at times she annoys me. However, i think at the end of the movie she has accepted his decision of continuing to love aeris and that she takes a step back from trying to get with cloud in that sort of way. Another words she accepted defeat. I think she'll continue to watch over cloud and be his friend but not his lover. :D