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Title: Porn: A Discussion


Hyper-Ballad - November 23, 2005 01:50 PM (GMT)
A thread in the venting section began to drift off-topic when the subject of porn sprung up, so I decided to move some of the key comments here if anyone wants to continue the discussion. ^_^

QUOTE (Clerith-son)
I might be wrong, but I think that the so called statement of being "100% neutral", is as fake, as when a guy says: "I hate porn". There's no such thing as that.

QUOTE (Remy)
My fiance hates porn. :blink: He has no need for it and fake body parts turn him off. :lmao:

QUOTE (Clerith-son)
I've heard that "I hate porn" excuse, way sooo... many times, and all those sooo... many times, proven to be fake. Ain't no guy, that hates porn. With this I'm not saying that, all guys are hormonic monsters, unable to stop thinking of sex.

There are guys who don't find porn, as something that is "a must see" (I include myself in that group, and probably your fiance as well), and are no pornoholics, but the fact that we/they aren't 24/7 porn watchers, (many of us really rare and unusual viewers), don't make us/em' porn haters. Ain't no guy in this world that says "I hate porn" and isn't lying. Belive it, or not, that is the sad truth.

QUOTE (Jinchuu)
Actually I do hate porn. You do make a good point though, just doesn't fit in with me. My cable could screw up and somehow give me free porn and I wouldn't watch it. No matter how loney I was to become. I just don't get that turn on from watching some girl getting... well used that like... and I am sure I am putting that lightly. The fact that I absolutly hate sluts, and the fact that I have a much better imagination than some cheap porno.

But you probably won't believe me, and that is fine, but not all guys are the same. Do I think about sex all the time? Hell yes, but with Heather in the mix and no one else. Good times in my head... good times...

QUOTE (Anti-R)
I watch porn. ^^ So? I still don't see why it's such a big deal (well, except for the sake of the minors, of course).

The obviously breast implanted girls doing it are disturbing though... it's kind of a turn off seeing them bounce like that with really ugly men. My boyfriend thinks so too...

Anyways, don't mind me... :P

QUOTE (Sefie)
*Coughs* I'm rather offended by the "No male could hate porn" thing. I know PLENTY of guys who hate it. You're generalizing, and that's a real no-no for Sefie. Not every single male on this planet is a hormone crazed monkey.

QUOTE (Mira)
Girls can be just as horomone crazed as guys. The only difference is how open on gender is over the other. The proof leading to this conclusion would be all those horrid female writers at FanFiction.net who can be just as bad as male writers.

QUOTE (Clerith-son)
In my defense, I didn't wanted to turn this topic's disscussion into a "Why men can't hate porn" disscussion, but it seems it's something common from me nowadays (changing topics, not talking about porn, I mean).

I might be wrong, I've never said I'm sure I'm not, I don't know every single man in this world, but I think I know enough men, to generalize. I'm talking for what I've seen. I've seen porn lovers say beautiful essays of why they "hate porn", and heard guys, who I know are not porn watchers, that they don't hate it.

I'm no porn watcher, but if I ever see it, I don't get all: "bloody porn, why do you exist?!", I just skip it. I don't like porn, but I don't hate it, and I'm not talking just for myself, but from other men I've met.

If anyone has felt offended, by anything I've said, regarding this topic, I apologyze.

QUOTE (Madame Batolli)
Gratuitous Cloud porn! :wub:

QUOTE (True_Serenity)
I find porn rather disgusting, but that's just me. :P I'm just immature when it comes to that department of socializing. :ermm: In other cases, yes, my brother is indeed a porn-watcher and he messed up my PC by watching them on it. <_< Yewww. Gross. :puke: Poor baby... *pats monitor* I caught my brother watching one when I woke up, you wouldn't believe the rage I was in when I found out he does this every night :lol: I guess you can't really control people's temptations though... But good thing that was a long time ago. Bah. Maybe I should stop sharing this >_<

I agree, not all boys are hormone crazed monkeys, yet it seems that they can take interest into watching at least one video. :ermm: When I go to a random site sometimes a blinding porn advertisement pops up and I literally fall off my chair :lol: I just don't approve of that suddenly coming up when I'm searching for something else completely irrelevant to sexual contact. :puke: As for just seeing porn just like that, I would automatically back out. It's just not entertainment for me. -_- I agree that some girls can be easily turned on as boys when they watch porn, however my hormones aren't like that :P And... yeah. It's actually only natural for people to like porn anyways...

Anyone want to contribute anything and keep the discussion going? ^_^

BlackWind - November 23, 2005 04:43 PM (GMT)
I'll add something! Not to good with gettin quotes on this, but I'll try!

QUOTE
(Mira)
Girls can be just as horomone crazed as guys. The only difference is how open on gender is over the other. The proof leading to this conclusion would be all those horrid female writers at FanFiction.net who can be just as bad as male writers.


Too true! Fanfiction.net has some very disgusting things on it, I know! I've read quite a few actually because I don't pay any attention to the ratings they give, but some writers that are female have a thing for writing yaoi, or stories with a lot of sex.

As to the rest, I only have a few things to say. I, being a girl (and only 13) pretty much hate it everytime some porn pop up jumps onto my screen, or when some late late late night porn show pops up on TV. I went on a link once, and anime porn was everywhere. I clicked that off pretty fast! Another time on the internet, I clicked a link and there were thousands of pop-ups. Simple to say, that bugged me a lot. I have some pretty strong morals, even if I am only 13. Ill post later im at school bell about to ring bye!

EnglishRose - November 23, 2005 04:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Clerith-Son)
I might be wrong, but I think that the so called statement of being "100% neutral", is as fake, as when a guy says: "I hate porn". There's no such thing as that.


I agree and disagree. ^_^ It is wrong, as we, as humans, our nature is to sin and do wrong. We all do things wrong, because our conscience is there telling us that we are. However, you can hate porn. Porn, in my view, is wrong and disgusting. But hey, those are my views, if anyone else has a different opinion I respect that. :) Looking at uncovered men and women is wrong in God's eyes, so if you hate porn, you hate that wrongdoing, or that particular sin. I hate sin fullstop. So I guess you could say that I hate porn. ^_^

QUOTE (Clerith-Son)
I've heard that "I hate porn" excuse, way sooo... many times, and all those sooo... many times, proven to be fake. Ain't no guy, that hates porn. With this I'm not saying that, all guys are hormonic monsters, unable to stop thinking of sex.


Hating porn doesn't mean that it isn't tempting. Temptations can be huge; to satisfy human flesh. <_< But our tired old bodies still have the ability to say no.

QUOTE (Sefie)
*Coughs* I'm rather offended by the "No male could hate porn" thing. I know PLENTY of guys who hate it. You're generalizing, and that's a real no-no for Sefie. Not every single male on this planet is a hormone crazed monkey.

QUOTE (Mira)
Girls can be just as horomone crazed as guys. The only difference is how open on gender is over the other. The proof leading to this conclusion would be all those horrid female writers at FanFiction.net who can be just as bad as male writers.


Quite true, and yes, quite true! :lol: Girls can be just as bad as boys, and both genders can hate it. But some girls and boys let hormones rule their lives. Take Ikky for example. :whistle: Joke. :lol:

Like Trisha said, when ever I go to a website, and there's a porn advertisement, I almost scream, and quickly click away or refresh the page before my parents can have a chance to see. Parents assume the worst; mine do anyway. :lol:

EDIT: @ Madame Batolli: :lmao:

Kaldea - November 23, 2005 06:22 PM (GMT)
I hate porn myself. I'm the "tasteful nudity" type. The rest is pure garbage and I don't see how anyone could get turned on watching it. I mean, it's the same as watching the Discovery channel with animals having sex. I don't see what is so great about it.

But then again, I could just be speaking through my lack of need for it. :lmao:

Anti-R - November 23, 2005 06:33 PM (GMT)
But seeing animals having sex in National Geographic is quite interesting. I love this episode where this many male bees chases the queen bee, as soon as the winner does his deed, so to speak, he loses his stinger so its sperm would stay within the queen and he drops dead on the ground. It was SO cool.

Ahem...

Anyways, porn is just that... crude sex that it almost looks painful. It degrades both male and female involved in there, IMHO.

Yukari - November 23, 2005 08:39 PM (GMT)
I don't watch porn, but I do like to read sexy stories. :angel: I guess it's because porn films leave absolutely nothing to the imagination, whereas with reading novels you can let your imagination run wild. I like that. And when the writer's got real talent, I think novels can be far, far more of a turn on than porn.

BlackWind - November 23, 2005 08:58 PM (GMT)
Ok! Home, and I can finally post the rest.

I view porn as something that we should not watch. Porn is degrading the people in it. All it shows is that the people in it just needed some quick one-nighter or something and then decided to share it with the world. Its nothing but trash I think. But, beings humans, we are tempted to watch it, seemings its simply human nature.

Novels, fanfiction, books, stuff like that is sometimes ok. I read a new book recently and there were some sex scenes, but it was one of the best books I've ever read. Fanfictions, well they are a differant story. Some will have sex in almost every chapter, and that can get annoying, even if the rest of it is really good.

Kuki Prower - November 23, 2005 09:08 PM (GMT)
Haha! Porn, I don't like it because its just so false! :lmao: Have you ever watched it? Its like they are attacking each other! :lmao:

Just you you MB, I DO like to read stories that have sex in them. It all just depends if the writer is good and the plot is. Its hard to find some good things but I find that a good writer can create a really emotion and passionate sex scene. Fanfiction, its hard to find them, there isn't much good yaoi writers out there! :lmao:

Being gay myself, I like yaoi and shounen-ai, especially when it involves my favourite pairing! Sexy Truten action! ^_^

Nina - November 23, 2005 09:22 PM (GMT)
Wow, my quote total marks me as a smiley whore! :lol:

I don't expect to find sexy stories, yet they do amuse me at times. :sweat: I just don't get easily turned on; it's just real interesting how the writer's imagination goes further. Porn is just like... fierce actions, nothing passionate or affectionate or ANYTHING. :ermm: I admit, I love romantic stories, and I find porno rather cheap and just straightforward entertainment for hormone-crazed animals.

Starlight Night - November 23, 2005 10:46 PM (GMT)
I will admit that I watch some rated R movies that have that find of stuff in it, but if you think about it, it's never for that long. And I will read the sexy fanfiction because I love to laugh at them, but some of them are actually good. lol. But I hate porn! Most of the girls are fake and some of the guys... I have nothing to say because you never know how a guy really swings. Same with a girl. Please take no offence to that if you are that way, I meant no harm.

I love that pic Madame, it was the laugh of my day after all the hell that I went through at the DMV.

BlackWind - November 24, 2005 12:09 AM (GMT)
*nods* Porn is fake. Its like wild animals on Discovery or Animal Planet goin at it. Which isnt so much fun to watch.

The picture, I forgot to comment on that! That had me laughing for quite a while, its a good one.

Kuki Prower - November 24, 2005 11:13 AM (GMT)
That's what I said :lol: They're killing each other! :lol:

Carmencita - November 24, 2005 01:48 PM (GMT)
:o

Well, I don't like porn... the worst I've seen is soft porn on TV, and I didn't enjoy it. :| It's a bit awkward watching surgically enhanced women and huge men go about the act... :/

Never heard of guys who heard of porn who didn't show at least an ounce of interest in it.

Hey, you think there's such a thing as artful porn?

Starlight Night - November 25, 2005 01:30 AM (GMT)
Thats a good question zhakeena. Let's just say;

Pron=nasty

Clerith-son - November 25, 2005 05:46 AM (GMT)
I just read the first topic, and I feel as a human scum, hehe. Well, anyways, it is normal if girls hate porn, due to her psique, since it is in some ways,different from guys, and viceversa.

As I've already said, I don't like porn, but the fact that I don't like it, doesn't make me hate it, but there I'm just talking for myself, and not for anyone else. But besides myself, I know so many guys (friends of mine or guys I just know) with different perspectives regarding porn, and none of them showed that anyone of them hated porn, disliked maybe, but not hate it.

Also, in most cases, a guy won't just tell a girl, he likes porn, it is a bolded rule in the un-written book of the rules of attraction, or simply common sense, if you don't want to be taken or remembered as a perv.

:.::GoLden KnUcKles::.: - November 30, 2005 02:20 PM (GMT)
i kno this is nuffin to do with porn but there are 44 smilies on this post,,,,lol,,,, :D

erm betta make that 45!!

Onigiri - December 4, 2005 02:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (True_Serenity)
In other cases, yes, my brother is indeed a porn-watcher and he messed up my PC by watching them on it. <_< Yewww. Gross. :puke: Poor baby... *pats monitor* I caught my brother watching one when I woke up, you wouldn't believe the rage I was in when I found out he does this every night :lol: I guess you can't really control people's temptations though... But good thing that was a long time ago. Bah. Maybe I should stop sharing this >_<

My brother does too! I find it soo annoying when I see these sites in the history, or when I have full of cookies of porn sites. My computer has been tainted. ;__;
Well, at least after that, I don't let him use my computer anymore...

Aurora - December 29, 2005 04:23 PM (GMT)
My 2 cents....

I hate the fact that it's so accessible! I don't want to see my 13 year old brother watching porno on my mac.... :puke: *shudder* I mean, for adults to watch porno movies in their bedrooms alone...that's their business, I really don't have a problem with that. But so many young kids are exposed to pornography and it bothers me...

The internet was made for porn. <_<

Toxo - December 29, 2005 04:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Onigiri @ Dec 4 2005, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (True_Serenity)
In other cases, yes, my brother is indeed a porn-watcher and he messed up my PC by watching them on it. <_< Yewww. Gross. :puke: Poor baby... *pats monitor* I caught my brother watching one when I woke up, you wouldn't believe the rage I was in when I found out he does this every night :lol: I guess you can't really control people's temptations though... But good thing that was a long time ago. Bah. Maybe I should stop sharing this >_<

My brother does too! I find it soo annoying when I see these sites in the history, or when I have full of cookies of porn sites. My computer has been tainted. ;__;
Well, at least after that, I don't let him use my computer anymore...

Sheesh. I'm happy that my brother isn't like that! :o He only plays games or writes his "homework". :lol: And as to me; nope. No porn here, folks! :lol:

Raist - March 10, 2006 12:31 PM (GMT)
Hey, you think there's such a thing as artful porn?

Actually Zhakeena, by definition that is impossible. Pornography is supposed to be the unartistic depiction of human beings in such a way as to incite arousal. Or something very, very similar to that. I know the unartistic part was important, the rest I'm a little hazy on. I read it in Dave Egger's A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. Good book by the way.

On another note, artistic nudity is most definitely possible, and there is a varying degree of dignity even within the realm of pornography. I can't deny I watch and own some pornography, but I'm never particularly happy about it, nor do I really think the industry is much of a good thing. Particularly with it's implications on the sex slave industry throughout the world.

However some urges are harder to resist than others.




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