There are so many reasons why I'm starting to get tired of FF7.

1. Too many fanboys!
2. It's like everyone's first RPG!
3. All these compliations! (though they are cool)
4. Overrated
5. Stero-type characters
6. List goes on

:mad: I'm just so mad to hear how people think that FF7 is like one of the greatest FF games there is. They need to look at the classics like Final Fantasy VI, which was the best in my opinion.

Sorry if this is spam.

That is all.

Well, you should be prepared to hear other people's opinions if you express your own.

FFVII wasn't my first RPG. I played FFVI before FFVII and I still think FFVII is better. You shouldn't judge your stance on a game through fans, if they played it first, or anything other than actual valid reasons within the game. And no, FFVII didn't have all stereotypical characters in my opinion. Main characters were made stereotypical AFTER FFVII.

FFVII IS one of the greatest games just because it was unique at the time and it captured people's hearts with it's amazing story. No reason to hate it for reasons that is beyond the creators' control.

It just so annoying. There are some better PSOne RPGs than Final Fantasy. Games such as Dragon Warrior VII, Legend of the Dragoon, and Vargrant Story are some of the many that are some better than FF7.

But that is your opinion. I have beaten all those games as well and none came close to FFVII's story in my opinion. Only Xenogears was able to tie FFVII to me.

I forgot good old Xenogears. How could I forget it?

Breath of Fire's saga is cool, and Chrono Trigger's kickass, but FFVII is just masterpiece, dude.

Can someone explain to me how it's a "masterpiece" as people so call it?

One question... If you hate it so much, why are you on a forum dedicated to an FFVII couple?

Why? Cause I like the skin and the members seem nice and it's an active community.

Because it was, and still is the best in terms of plot.

I'm just tired of all the fanboyism. Once something I like gets too much fanboyism, I still like it, but not as much.

Holy crap, yes, Xenogears was AWESOME in terms of story. It's right up there with FF7.

I admit that FF7 is one of the far greater RPGs compared to all the crap we get these days, but I'm a die-hard sap, so for me, the best RPG of all time is FF8, surprisingly. FF7 comes second because it's somewhat lacking in the romance department. <_<

:hide: *runs out before getting bricked*

^Heheh, that's completely opposite from me-- part of what I disliked about FFVIII and FFX was the more pronounced love theme. Can't remember too much about FFIX, sadly. But I loved that the romance in FFVII was in the background for the most part. ^^

So you start disliking things if they become too popular? Because when something becomes too popular, it'll bound to gain rabid fans.

I understand the frustration they cause. It becomes quite embarrassing as a FFVII fan, really. :P But it doesn't make me love FFVII any less. It's also my first RPG, but I still love the other RPG series out there: Xenogears, Suikoden, Tales etc.

I agree with Remy-- try not to judge a game based on its fans. There ARE level-headed fans out there, you just need to find them. ^_^

1. Too many fanboys and girls!..true
2. It's like everyone's first RPG!..not ture, FF wasnt my frist RPG XD(first on the ps1 yes) but not my first RPG ever :P

3. All these compliations! (though they are cool)
4. Overrated..Indeed, I would say now, its not the best FF..but then reason, I think not so now, is there going to push the others FF too,so they may be a 6-10 movie ^^

5. Stero-type characters..true

and how ppl say sephy is the best villian, when 1. he isnt the real villain in FF7, and when Kefka could kick the crap out of him with even trying..

Kefka is the true villian, he is the only one who got anything done^^...

but Im glad to see DoH, i can wait for online play..BC, I can play as the turks, and I lvoe them to death^^..CC i can play as Zack...

I think its overrated, but Im glad to see these games, and plus like they said, more FF movies etc..so after they said that, I cant really say ''FF7 is going to far, the others are good 2''..^^

but I love FF7 :P

it changed RPG really forever when it hit...but I love FF7 with all my heart...

Yeah, FF7 wasn't the first RPG game I ever played. It's Pokemon Blue Version for me (unless Pokemon Stadium counts). But I still love the FF series, even though FF9 is my first FF game to play.

Also, there are sensible fans out there. You just need to know when ta look, man. :)

Compilations can be cool...once they FINALLY arrive here at Australia, anyway. <_< (Sometimes I swear we get the stuff the last, most of the time.)

I don't see how FFVII's characters were stereotypical. Take Aerith, for example. At first glance, she's the stereotypical perfect damsel with a mysterious past and magical powers. However, once you get to know her character, you find she's completely different. She's cheerful, enjoys teasing Cloud good-naturedly, makes mistakes sometimes, and possesses great emotional strength. Instead of a weepy heroine who hides behind her bodyguard, Aerith is an independent character who's out in front, her bodyguard following behind. ^_^

Cloud is far from the stereotypical hero, either. He's not perfect, he wasn't the bravest or strongest or most popular or confident. He's not a charmer like Zack, or famous like Sephiroth, and he wasn't always sure of himself, but he shows that you don't have to be any of those things to make a difference.

It was the first RPG I completed, but it wasn't the first RPG I played. That honour goes to FFIV. FFVI is an awesome game, yes, and one of my favourites, but it's completely different to FFVII. Some of the basic plot elements are the same, but I can't really compare VI and VII because I think they're equally awesome, for different reasons. I also think FFX is equally as good.

As for fanboys, you get them in every fandom. There's the old-school fanboys who think any FF above VI is teh suxor, there's the anime fanboys who think dubs are evil... Yes, some FFVII fans make me think stabitty, but it's hardly the fault of the game or characters or creators, is it? I used to dislike Tifa because of her fans, then I realised I was being an idiot. Now she's among my favourite FF characters.

Xenogears was never released in Europe! I wanted to play it so much! :sad:

Excuse me Azerty, but as Remy said you are constantly using your own opinion against the game, stop flaming it because of that. VII is probably the most famous RPG in the world because of the sucess it made.

It was different than most RPGs that had been released, and it was one of the first to actually make use of the 3D realm. VII even made the toughest gamers cry.

VII wasn't my first RPG I played, Phantasy Star on the Sega Master System was. I still enjoy VII very much and I do love it, its my favourite FF. But its not even my favourite RPG.

Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millenium holds that.

I would choose Final Fantasy IX over FF7 anyday.

Azerty, can you try to add more substance to your posts, please? Because posts like the above scream 'spam' to me. Instead of one liners like that, state why you like FFIX so much more, and what aspects make it better. It's kinda hard to get into a conversation about the merits of FFVII and the other games in the series when you don't give any reasons as to why those other games are superior.

Okay then. I'll do that since I do hate reading that same message that mods usually type up.

I like Final Fantasy IX more than FF7 because to me, it was fun. Sure they decided to take a trip back to the past, but it was cool. I always wanted to play one of the classic FF games, but never got to. FF9 fills that gap.

I have played all numbered FF games and then some, and I beat them all. I love my game collection to death. FFVII is still the most unique RPG to me. Especially since copycat games came out after it was released. FFVII is just a great game and it's no reason to hate it. :blink:

Too many fanboys: Yes, I know that there are some. But you have to find the right fans. Take most of the people here. They are level headed enough to share their love of FFVII with others and not go all crazy about it.

Everyone's first RPG: As you can see, it wasn't. Mine was Pokemon Blue Version and then there was Legend of Dragoon.

All these Complications: Yes there is, but what Square is trying to do is give everyone a chance to be in the soptlight instead of just the people in FFVII. Like the BC, their giving the Turks time in the spotlight. And Zax, you can't forget about him.

Overrated: Please tell me how. I can see that some of the aspects were, but not all of them.

Stero-type characters: I will admit that I didn't like Aerith at first because she seemed to strike me as the oh-so-annoying Damsel in Destress. But as someone said (sorry to you. I forgot who you were) get to know her character a little.
Tifa was the same way to me. She always hit me as a punker chick that loved someone and she would do anything for him. IE: she loved Cloud, but she eventually got over that. She accepted the fact that Cloud loved Aerith for who she was and went on being his friend anyway.

Some of the people have never even touched the others (VI-I). Like me, I've never seen them except for on the internet and in Fanmade Music Videos. My first Final Fantasy game was FFVIII. I thought it was good until I kept getting stuck at one place. So I would just start my game over and try to get past it again as a higher level.

Anyway! What I mean is you need to take other people's experences in mind when youu make a topic about this. If you are tired of FFVII, why did you join? (Someone aready asked that, but oh well)

Final Fantasy VII was my first RPG game. I won't deny it. I didn't play it at first, my cousin (who will still be my favorite cousin of all times) played it and I watched him play. Then came the FMVs, and I helped him pick his characters as he went a long. I loved Aeris and I still do. She was the healer and she was kind and thoughtful and funny.

When I played the rest of the Final Fantasy series (I own all of them :devil:) I still stick with Final Fantasy VII. And no it wasn't because it was my first RPG game, though that gives it bonus points, it's because I liked the plot, the characters, and the style it was made.

Sure Final Fantasy VI comes up to a close second but that doesn't mean you discredit what Final Fantasy VII really is. It's unique. One of a kind. Cloud isn't a mighty hero, Aeris isn't a real damsel in distress because she kicks ass sometimes, and Tifa realizes what's going on and she accepts it. (Although some other people continue to ignore that :rolleyes:)

And that fans are fans. If there was a great song and everyone liked it, it's because of the song. The fans don't change anything.

That's why I disagree with you and your opinion. Sorry. But I do.

:cleris: I love Final Fantasy VII.

and my gawd Xenogears is still tied with Final Fantasy VII. Woo hoo! :woot:

It's awesome isn't it!!! :D Now I only have to get past disc 1... :ph34r:

Hmm, FF9, eh. Well....it wasn't that bad...I didn't really like it cause I couldn't tolerate the characters. The story was pretty good, but I think they're pretty much recycling the same, "I don't know who I am!!" plot point. Actually, it happens with all the FFs. If you take a close look, Cloud didn't know he was a puppet (or whatever he is), Rinoa didn't know she was a sorceress, the Black Mages didn't know their true identity (was it? I don't remember too well), Tidus didn't know he was just a dream. It's all pretty much the same, but of course, I tend to overlook that fact and enjoy the game for itself.

In the case of FF9 however, I just didn't feel any appeal from it's characters. Characters are usually one of the main reasons to attract me to a game. Zidane is like BLEAAARRGGGHHH to me, (even though I know there are huge Zidane fans around :hyper: ) and I wanted to throw a brick at Steiner and Eiko and that whats-his-face Amarant and Quina (I could go on forever so I'll stop here) throughout a good 90% of the game. The story was pretty good, but it wasn't as substantial and interesting as other RPGs. So much that I couldn't even be bothered to finish it. Poor Dagger is still sitting in my PSX waiting for the day I head into the Tree of Life to defeat the final boss. :razz:

Of course, I'm not saying "Don't you dare say FF9 is fun!!! Waaaa!!" :razz: I admit the towns were pretty cute, and you're entittled to hold your opinion. ^_^

Do tell, dude. Yeah, clowns kick gods asses all the way nowadays. Well, the hell, that's your opinion.

That's great, and I highly doubt anybody would force you to say you like FFVII more. ^_^

It's just that you seemed to like FFVII before, but because of its overzealous fans, you've begun to dislike it. I think that's a shame, to let rabid fans turn you away from something you liked. The overrating and the fanboys/fangirlism all go with the rabid territory-- get out of there and find some level-headed fans to mix with.

As has been said before, don't blame the game, blame the fans.

As for the stereotyped characters-- I felt one of FFVII's best aspects was how they allowed you to think those characters were stereotyped initially, but later broke those molds as the plot unravelled.

Cloud and Tifa's relationship is the best example, IMHO. When I first played the game, I thought they were these very close friends reunited after a long time. The first girl you meet in the game tends to share some close relationship to the hero, after all. But it's only later when the twist occurs and you realise that they weren't close at all. Fact is that they barely knew each other to begin with!

I thought that was genius. As was Aerith's initial appearance as the mysterious, soft-spoken damsel, who later turns out to be the a candid character guarding her bodyguard instead of the other way around. :lol:

Amen! It's a very useful writing technique, that, and one I'm using myself in the fantasy novels I'm writing at present. The three main characters' 'roles' fit those of fantasy cliches, but their personalities, especially later...mwee hee hee. >=)

It's useful because your audience automatically relates to a stereotype; it's an 'instant comfort zone' thing, because the moment you see the surface of their persona you're able to feel you have the story under control in your brain. Tropes are there for a reason. They're very powerful and very universal. It's when they're overused, or presented as-is without any kind of twist or fresh take that they become stale, sterile, and weak.

FF7 twisted the hell out of a lot of stereotypes, not just of the fantasy genre, but of the FINAL FANTASY series itself. The Love Triangle is standard. There's echoes of it in almost all of the others. In fact my writing pals and I used to have nicknames for every character archetype that would inevitibly appear in each FF. Female characters especially fit this like a glove with only a few minor variations in each game. Every FF will have the following:

HERO: Usually fairly generic, has secret past, uses sword, deep personal connection to the villain, difficulty relating to romantic feelings about IvP/TbS, troubled about personal identity.

FEMALE LEADS:

IVP - The Innocent Virgin Princess. The hero's main love interest. Healer. Usually unfailingly sweet-natured. Often captured/imperiled or extremely self-sacrificing.
Rosa/Lenna/Terra(even though she's not anyone's love interest)/Aerith/Rinoa/Garnet/Yuna

TBS - The Tough But Sexy. The hero's secondary 'love interest'. Decent fighter, looks and acts tough, but is often a damn marshmallow underneath and melts around the hero and/or has deep-seated personal issues hidden under her tough mask. NEVER gets the hero. Usually ends up becoming a 'big sister' figure. e.g Faris/Celes/Tifa/Quistis/Freya (she has the personality even if she's a rat) Beatrix / Lulu / Paine

PJB - Perky Jail Bait - the energetic, spunky, young female character. Usually wavers between endearing and annoying and engenders slightly unhealthy attention from male fans. Rydia/Palom/Cara/Relm (minus the lolita factor for the previous) Yuffie, Selphie, Rikku.

Now some of those characters fit only loosely (Terra has no love interest and is probably the closest thing in FF6 to a clear central 'hero', Celes DOES sort of get her guy, Faris isn't interested in anybody, Rydia kinda fits into all three FF girl roles at different times... ) but you can see where I'm going, they all have traits in common XD

We had loads of others for the boys as well, including the Harmless Playboy, the Gruff Samurai Loner, the Mysterious Shadowy Wanderer, the Misunderstood Beast, the Overenthusiastic Jock, the Crochety Old Bugger, the Bizarre Mascot...the list went on and on XD

My point is that FF7 more than any other FF set up those stereotypes...and then subverted them in many subtle ways. (ways that have now become stereotypes e.g IvP was in love with hero's friend/rival, hero finds out he's a failure/Seph clone/Dream-figment/Soulless) ....the biggest subversion, the mind-screw of FF7 that made it so freaking popular.....AERITH DIES. Square killed their IVP. Killed Cloud's primary love interest in mid game with no warning. They've never had the balls to do a twist of that emotional magnitude since. Tidus does NOT count.

That's my two cents. Huzzah. =D

P.S before anyone gets angry, I do think each of the characters in each FF game has his or her own unique traits. They're not all carbon copies of each other by a long shot. It's just that Square knows the formula that sells a Final Fantasy game. They found it. They like it. It works. They stick to it. It's the details that change, sometimes dramatically, and the details that make each story, each world, each set of characters different and interesting. Of all FFdom though, I think Cloud/Aerith/Tifa were the most interesting twists on the FF-tropes. Cloud was so distinctive that he became his OWN stereotype, and all of a sudden the next FF game is starring ANOTHER brooding loner with deep-seated personal issues who's named after a storm. :P~ But they've never matched Aerith. Her personality is unique. She's an IVP who HAS a personality! A very strong one! That ain't easy to come up with again, don't think SE hasn't tried!

:aeris:

Oops. Um. How do you delete posts? :(

I am not sure if regular members can delete posts, so I deleted one of them for you.
Oh, and the edit button is your friend, no double posts. :)

-Andina-

FFVII was the first RPG i ever played, and thats only cause it was the first FF game to be released here. And not only was it my first RPG but my first game altogether. And for that, i was gripped at the game. I thought it was amazing, and i still do. The thing that i liked about it so much was the storyline. Thats all that matters to me when it comes to RPGs, whether or not the storyline is good, and FFVII sure was!

Thanks a heap!

I know how to use Edit. My browser buggered up and posted it twice for some reason, not me :D

First RPG is Chrono Trigger. My God. Someone should do the time travelling bit again.

FVII is my first FF game. But I can't say I'm crazy on the story... I'm quite unsatisfied with it... but with the Compilation, I appreciate my game more, heck a lot, now.

Suikoden, BoF, Xenogears, Star Ocean 2nd Stage these are my favorite RPGs, in terms of story and characters. *hugs them*

FFVII was not my first RPG...it was Vandal Hearts (an old game) and yet it is still considered as one of my favorite games. True, the graphics may not be good compared to the one nowadays. But at the time, even if it was polygons, the actual 3D things made it interesting.

The characters from my view were not stereotypical. I admit when I first saw
Aerith I thought she would be the innocent, damsel in distress type but holy &^%$!! They sure got me wrong. Same goes to the others.

1. Too many fanboys!
2. It's like everyone's first RPG!
3. All these compliations! (though they are cool)
4. Overrated
5. Stero-type characters
6. List goes on


1)im a fanGIRL thank you
2) Uh no I played it two months ago for the first time sept 2005
3)because its a fantastic game ...duh
4)If a game 8 years old can make me cry...how the HELL is it over rated
5) Uh...yeah cuz "clouds so emo" dont get you...
6)okay i think you meant to say i ran out of things to bash so heres a free number

Final Fantasy 7 wasn't my first rpg either Before that I played plenty of others before it.
I may not be able to remember them but I did play them. :blast: :blast: :blast:

FF7 was my first RPG and its still my fav.I have nearly all the FFs aswell but this one IMO was just the best.The story ,the battle system,the characters,everything about it was great.

Would someone please be able to answer me this question?
What do you describe as a fanboy/girl and how do you believe that they ruined the game?