I do THINK Cloud will die, SE has been hinting to that all the way..Geostigma, Dirge of Cerberus!

If he dies..that will be Cleris to me! Nomura wanted him to die..so he could be in peace and possibly with Aerith..We all know that Cloud is different, so I believe he can go to the promised land with her!

But now..Aerith touched his left arm, the one that's infected with Geostigma!

I hope she didn't heal him :unsure:

I just wish he'd die there... so that Tifa can't touch him anymore!!!!! *still angry at Clotiness* aargh! :ph43r:
...okay, seriously, I am definitely not a Cloud basher but I want him to die in Advent Children for the benefit of all the CloudxAerith people out there... but it'd also be splendid if Aerith gets revived... but it might be impossible now... unless...
Oh never mind. :P

I'll look at the scene where she touched his arm again... ;)

Well, we just don't know that spirits can heal with a touch. No spirit was ever seen healing anybody in FFVII. For that matter, no spirit was seen touching a live person in FFVII. So we can't know for sure that she actually healed him. ;)

I think there's a good chance that he will die in AC, although I'd hate it. I'll only be able to accept his death if it lets him be re-united with Aerith. :rolleyes:

As long as he doesn't get with Tifa, I'm happy. :D

I don't really want Cloud to die...I rather have Aerith revived, but with so many people against Aerith's reviving (something weird like it would ruin the plot...how so???) I doubt it'll ever happen. So...I want Cloud to die to be reunited with Aerith...but I don't want him to die, because I don't like the idea of Cloud dying... :blink: Okay, I'm confusing myself.

Hmm...I've never heard of ghosts being able to touch people. Evidence that Aerith might be able to come back someday?

Hmmm people say it would ruin the plot because it's such a cliche.

People always seem to be reveived from the dead and the bueaty of the original FF7 was that it wasn't cliche it was wonderfully, emotionally and powerfully original. And it is of utmost importance to me that she is not revived. But it could go either way.

FF7 is a sad story and a story of survival (the theme of FF7) so i think it would be fitting then that in AC it remains sad and the only way i see this happening effectively is with the death of CLoud which will put him down as IMO the greatest video game character in history.

It makes all the sense if he died, I myself don't want him to die, but I sacrifice my tears for Cleris ;_;..

if he doesn't die, i'll freaking send a bomb to Nomura!

I'd like him to die actually. In life he's been shown as miserable, lonely, and guilt ridden on a polluted planet. I believe he'd be much happier in the Lifestream with Aeris, enjoying the after life he earned himself. And that looks very likely to happen, so I just hope Aeris will be there for him as he passes, to ease his pain.

I think it would be symbolic for him to die. After such a hard life, he will finally be able to be at peace. And another thing that was mentioned in FFVII would have more meaning as well. Cloud said he thinks he could meet her in the promised land. It would be awesome if he did die and he came to realize that she really was his promised land.

On the other hand, Cloud is one of, if not the most loved characters of Square. I think they will be getting hate mail regardless of the ending since so many people want so many different outcomes.

Personally, I think it would be best if Cloud died and joined with Aeris again. Sad yet happy ending for one of the most beloved star crossed couples in gaming history.

I just noticed this in an interview that Nomura did with Tech TV:

TechTV: What does the future hold for "Kingdom Hearts"? Would you like to see it become a long-running series like "Final Fantasy," or do you have a finite vision for the series?

Nomura: In the "Final Fantasy" series each installment has had a new set of characters and a new story, which keeps it going. But in "Kingdom Hearts" Sora is the main character. So obviously, with us only playing as one main character in this series, keeping that character alive and interesting will be a challenge. For every character there must be an end, although I don't know when or what the end of Sora's journey will be. In the future, sometime, there might be an end, but for now I will continue to explore Sora and his story.

Notice how Nomura says that every character must have an end? He also says that keeping a character alive and interesting in multiple games is a challenge. Hmmm... I think that's more indication that Cloud will die in AC. What better way to end Cloud's story in AC?

Personally, I"m kind of expecting Cloud to die. And sorry to say, only for the fact that he'll only be happy until he's released from his physical body and the pain that comes along with it.

But I"m not really sure, actually. Cloud IS the main character of FFVII, it wouldn't feel right if he wasn't in Dirge of Cerebrus and Crisis Core (whatever that'll be like).

I think it would make sence if he died in AC. As we all know, Cloud is a tragic character, it's hard to picture in the end of AC, him suddenly all happy-sunshine-yay-I-rescued-the-world-again and moving on from that(for example: getting a real job, getting married, blah blah blah, etc.). I doubt Nomura would want to portray his most angst ridden character like that.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Cloud happy in the end, but I just don't think Cloud can be truely happy if he stayed alive. I'd like him to die peacefully and find his Promised Land.....with Aeris, of course. ;)

Just because Cloud is dead doesn't mean he can't have some role in DC or CC(or other games in the matter). Aeris is dead, but that hasn't stopped Nomura from using her character in different games. If Cloud does die in AC, I think (DC)Vincent will use Cloud's example/memory as some sort of motivation.

In my opinion Cloud should die, too ¬¬. I LOVE the character but, like Nomura has said, all character must to have an end, and Cloud is a very good and angsty character. Before he has been forced by money interest (like Son Goku in Dragon Ball, fo example) he should have a memorable ending. And AC is, in my opinion, the perfect moment. I agree with Real Emotion, Cloud can have a role in DC and CC like a memory or flashback. But Nomura said that: DC will be about Vincent´s story, not about Cloud´s story. Cloud´s story is in FFVII and AC.
Some people (like Clotis ¬¬) say that Cloud´s death would be stupid because he would let behind his beloved children (and his "beloved" Tifa, of course ¬¬). I respect their opinion, but, what about Cloud?? Damn it, it seems that they never think on Cloud :angry: . I needed it, sorry :P . Cloud needs some happiness and peace. They could think where could Cloud to find that... And not where could TIFA to find that ¬¬
It´s all... Sorry for the mistakes and see you!! :cleris:

I can't see a "happy ending" for Cloud. By happy ending, I mean I can't see Cloud walking off into a rosy sunset as a happy guy with no cares in the world anymore and a girlfriend on his arm. That kind of ending would be totally wrong for Cloud's character, but that's what would happen if he ended up with Tifa.

Cloud's story would have a far greater impact if he dies. Cloud's death is also about the only way Square could rival the impact of Aerith's death in FFVII. If Square wants to create another masterpiece, they'll make a story that tears at our hearts. What better way to do that than with Cloud's death?

if aeris has sealed cloud in the flowerfield..why when fe is with vincent cloud is touching his arm, like he is in pain? its makes no sense :o

1. We don't know that Aerith healed Cloud in the flower field. I don't think she did.
2. Vincent is using his golden "claw" to take hold of Cloud's arm, which has gotta hurt.

I think very strongly that Cloud is going to die. :ermm: All that guilt had been burning inside him for two whole years, and now with Geostigma, Kadaj, Yazoo, Loz, and having to save the world again, Cloud is pressured so much. And he still has the children to think about.


If Aerith did heal Cloud in the flowerfield, he still has more duties he has to do, and he might die trying to accomplish one.


And by the way, what kind of flowers are in the flowerfields? :unsure:

The kind Aerith grows, maybe? What other flower could it be? :gift: I mean it's Aerith and Cloud among the flowers...naturally, they would be the one she grows in Church
Much as I'd love to see Cloud die(yup, because that would be a Cleris ending :cleris: ), his death would definitely make me really sad. I mean, I was with him on his journey. I got to feel his emotions, his pain, everything. So if he bites it...I got to see him grow and now I'm gonna see him die :sad: It would be like losing a very close friend. Heheh, silly me for feeling this way about a videogame character.
If he did die, do you think Square would put in a scene with him and Aerith reuniting? Would they risk the wrath of the Clotis? :D

Really I hope Cloud dies, he is in love with Aeris, he is in guilt, he is in pain, and dieing would allow him to leave the pain, and the guilt. So I hope he dies for Aeris. But what I am also thinking is that SE will have Aeris come back as to the fact that if Sephiroth came back then Aerith will be back and, she is more or less better then Sephiroth in every way. And If she did heal him, I think she healed him for a reason. Because if you all recall, Aeris is ALWAYS talking about the next time so I think she is coming back and Cloud and her will reunite, but then that would not be a Square ending so maybe Tifa dies in return for Cloud (YAY!!!!! :devil: ) because she relized she can never have him and Aeris came back but Cloud was already dead. And then Aeris and Cloud are back but Tifa is gone.



Okay that was just me being a Tifa hater...Well I think really that meteria that does nothing may have a key factor in reviving Aeris. And I really think though that if she did heal him it was for a reason and Aeris knew something.

I as well hope that Cloud dies so he can be with Aerith again. I think there might be a better possibility that he will die instead of Aerith being ressurected though, although I think it would be better if Aerith came back. :cleris: But, the only thing that really confused me was the ending of Final Fantasy VII. The way Aerith opened her eyes ((She was dead, so she had to come back because the dead can't open their eyes.^^; )) seemed like she did return and did fullfil what she said to Cloud, "I'll come back when it's all over." or somehing like that.^^

Possible spoiler.^^;
But then again, if Sephorith is still alive.((Remembers a very very short picture of him at the end in one of the trailers.)) that means it is'nt over until Sephiroth and Jenova((If she is there too.)) are probably completely gone. So this might be a reason why Aerith is'nt back, it's probably because Sephorith is still alive, so just maybe Aerith will come back after he is gone. Now I just confused myself more.^^;

With completely ignoring what others have said before, I have to say that I certainly hope he dies. That is the only way I wish to see the story of Final Fantasy VII to finally come to an end. It has been a tragic story from the very beginning and I hope it stays like that. Not everything needs a happy ending. The greatest stories are often the ones that make us feel more or less sad. The kind of sadness you felt when Aerith died for the very first time, the kind of sadness that you just can not forget.

Perhaps that is just me, but most should know by now what kind of stories, games and books I like. The kind that make me cry. :)

But if the question was that will Cloud die in AC? Then I seriously doubt that as I find it hard to believe that the story will end with this movie.

I think that there are real big chances for him to die. All of us have seen, or at least heard, of a Cloud that's suffering of guilt, pain, sorrow, grief? And that in this movie, he has an incuarable disease called Geostigma. Also, once again he has to fight for the sake of the Planet, and for Aerith's sacrifice not being in vain. That takes me to the conclusion, that this time it will be him doing a sacrifice for the Planet, he'll somehow stop the Geostigma, form killing people, and stop the SHM, JENOVA and Sephiroth, if he's more than just a memory on AC, but to stop all of that, he will have to sacrifice himself.

Also it was once stated, by one of the Elders in Cosmo Canyon, that the Promised Land, is the place where the Ancients, found their biggest happiness, why not Cloud? See, he has continued the Cetra's job, by protecting the Planet, com I'm sure that if he dies, FFVII:AC's last scene will be Cloud, finally in the Promised Land, and in his Promised Place, wich is with Aerith. And then, Cloud and Aerith, become legends among all the Final Fantasy's, main characters, as well as the best couple ever.

I think it would be way better if Aerith came back instead of Cloud dieing.
Cloud after saving the world being infected with Geostigma and still fighting for whatever his purpose. I dont think Aerith would really want Cloud to die.
If Aerith came back in the right way (if you can make the right plot) it wouldent ruin the movie and i think that dieing and being with the one you love is just as good if not better than still being alive and being with the one you love :D
but in the end if there together everyones happy (Unless your a Clotis than your in a horrible rage that makes you want to destroy the world)

"Every character has an end."

Every does, and I think they made Advent Children to further to the story where Cloud does, in fact, die. Everyone in chat ( who are Final Fantasy fans ) that I know well, do think Cloud will die in AC, in term, with the rest of you, he probably will be reunited with Aerith/Aeris.

But, if Aerith comes back in Advent Children, and Cloud dies. It's abit of a lost/lost plot. Or maybe, win/lost, up to you to pick really, in the end, I think they're both dead, Aerith's staying dead, and well... Cloud dying in the end of Advent Children..

End and end, so it.. kinda works, doesn't it?

But the disease isn't incurable. I heard that Kadaj was the cure for it.

okay...is it just me or does everyone want Cloud to die so he could be together with Aeris? :ermm:

It's not that. Okay, maybe it is a little(!!!) but it's not just that. I'm all for having an ending with impact, one that will make me think long and deep, and hopefully one that will move me immensely. That's what a huge part of FF7 has always been to me: profound thoughts and emotions. If Cloud ends up alive by the end of the movie, I would like to see him as a survivor, a man who's been 'to hell and back' and who's gained wisdom from it. 'Moving on' with Tifa isn't a necessary factor in Cloud's emotional/spiritual growth, is it?
If Cloud does die, then I will be happy...but only if it's handled right. I would not like to see Cloud throw his life away recklessly because he thinks it's crap and he wants to be with Aerith. That would only make him the helpless quitter that Tifa accused him of being when she was trying to convince him to fight.
The way I see it, Cloud in AC no longer cares if he lives or dies, just as long as he handles the inner demons that have been plaguing him for so long. That's what I'd like to see first and foremost-Cloud finding inner peace before he dies... If he didn't win his physical battle, at least he won his spiritual battle, the battle in his soul (Yikes, poetic!)
Personally, I would love it if he conquered his inner demons and then sacrificed himself for the sake of the Planet. That would have the greatest impact on me. But that's another story ^_^

I think that it is not only the fact that he could be with Aerith (wich is already a big and good reason), but also because, is most fitting and best ending among all the probable endings.

There are many probabilities for Cloud's destiny if he dies, but none of them fits 100% with what we have seen Cloud so far. Since many of the possiblities are of him settling down, wich does not fits since he's always been a wanderer; othere possibility is that he decides to move on by making good deeds and giving his life sense with this, wich is an endidng that is not good enough for Cloud, since is just to easy, and there are others endings possibilities in wich he lives, but none of them complete Cloud's story as it should be.

Dying by sacrifing himself for the Sake of the Planet, after beating all his inner demons, would be the perfect ending for him, since, even if he's a character that has basically suffered all his life, he has been able to feel and experience all that life had to give, from deepest sorrow (like when someone dear to him died, especialy in front of him) to the biggest and highest happiness (love). Now he's trying to give his life a meaning, and trying to be happy.

That's why many of us think that the best ending would be of him sacrifing his life for the Planet and the people's sake. He would have made something that made his life worth for him, fulfilled his promise to Aerith taking his guilt away. And after he gave his life, he reaches the Promised Land, place were he finds enternal happiness with his beloved Aerith. :cleris:

hmmm.......okay then :whistle:

Another hint that might tell us that Cloud might die in the movie is DC. In DC we are told that the only one who can save the Planet now is Vincent. But how could that be if Cloud is the Planet saviour? That takes me to the conclusion that the only one that can save the Planet now is Vincent, because Cloud is gone.

All very good points, Clerith-son. However, they said that Vincent MAY be the only one who can save the Planet in Dirge of Cerberes:

Vincent is connected to recent attacks, and he may be the only one who can save this shattered world.
Source: Square's E3 Lineup Announced

That doesn't make it definite that Cloud's not around. However, I find it interesting that the world is shattered after AC. It doesn't look like the enemy gets defeated in AC... perhaps the SHM and/or Geostigma are stopped, but not Jenova? :unsure:

That's why I said that those hints told us that Cloud might die in AC. And I think that the "Vincent MAY be the only one who can save the Planet in Dirge of Cerberus" makes reference that it¿s not 100% sure that he'll be able to do it, like: he MAY save the Planet or he MIGHT not, he MAY succed or he MAY fail, but there as well are other possibilities, as yours.

Maybe its the aftermath of JENOVA's threat. JENOVA/Sephiroth/SHM were indeed defeated in AC, but even so there are some things that should be taken care of, and that's Vincent work (like when a disease is exterminated in your body, but even so there are some things that are damaging you). I think that in AC he'll get some motivation by Cloud, and decide to continue Cloud's work, and that's shown in DC.

Ah, I see what you mean. I was taking it to mean that Vincent may be the only one who can do it - there may be others around who can do it, too.

Well, we already know about the Deep Underground Soldiers. They were SOLDIERs buried underground by Meteor, but that's more an aftermath of FFVII than AC.

There's so many ways this could end up, but I totally agree with you about what you said about Cloud's death. I think that would be the most suitable ending for Cloud in AC, too.

Yes, but for some reason he's the main character in DC, doesn't he?

Yes, we know about the DUS, and that they were SOLDIER's that were buried by Meteor, but even so that was part of JENOVA/Sephiroth threat, since they were the ones who activated Meteor.

Yep, yep. I doubt it's because Cloud retired. :lol: We just can't be 100% sure yet that Cloud has died, but I think the chances are pretty good.

Yes, they're an aftermath of Jenova... but I'm not sure how or if they're related to the threat present in AC. The events of AC may simply allow the DUS to escape to the surface once again, although they had nothing to do with Geostigma and the SHM.

Yes, I agree with you on this one.

What I was trying to say is, that they are what is left from an old era, and Vincent's work is to rip them of, in order for a new era, to be started properly. They are like the last traces of JENOVA's existance and Vincent will detroy them to start again.

Well, however it ends up, we can at least be sure that Vincent has some sort of connection with Cloud in the sense that he knows how Cloud feels, having gone through the same thing that Cloud did(losing someone he loves). Their conversation in the Endless Forest about 'finding forgiveness' seems to be a sort of foreshadowing or at least preparation for the part that Vinny is about to play in DC. I have a feeling Vincent will learn a thing or to from Cloud's search for forgiveness in AC and he will reflect on it in DC.
On a side note, isn't it sad that the Planet has to go through so much and take so much out of our heroes before it can finally be a peaceful world? :(

Me too. I think, he'll learn some things basing on Cloud's forgiveness search.

Well, that's survival, some has to give their life for the sake of the others. Even if it's sad, that's how things are.

Personally, I hope Cloud does die. I think it would be the perfect bittersweet ending I've been hoping for. I dunno...imagining him 'moving on' and possibly ending up with Tifa would make my heart bleed ;__;

We know Cloud is dying of Geostigma, but most likely there's gonna be a cure for it considering so many orphaned young children have it, and I don't think square would kill them all off. I'm guessing if he does die, he's gonna have to sacrifice himself in some way shape or form in order to save the planet somehow. Atleast that's what I'm hoping for.

I dunno really. I think storyline wise. Death would be a more fitting end for Cloud. But I'm still quite curious as to how those two years lead him to becoming so depressed, it was clear in the game that Cloud wasn't happy-and rightfully so, but how in those two years did it get to this, I mean it's bad. During the game Cloud always struck me as a more childlike and confused person, he was also quite angsty I know, but inside, though perhaps he didn't know it, he was strong. I don't think he was out right brooding however. Though I guess even more crisises haven't helped our spiky haired friend, poor Cloud.

Regardless of what happens, Cloud simply will not move on with Tifa just because she's convinetly there. And with that knowledge, I can grin my way to the shop to buy that DVD when it's realeased.

-On a quick note-does anyone know what Aeris will look like

I think Cloud was always that depressed on the inside since Aeris died. He was the leader of the group. No leader would ever let out their true depression in front of others. That and he had to deal with the problems at hand like Sephiroth. No one should ever let their emotions get in the way of true objectives.

And all we have of Aeris is that picture that shows everything but her eyes. :unsure:

I felt that he was very angsty and tortured inside and hurting, but I'm not sure if he would end up letting all that pain consume him, he was strong enough to fight thru the emotional pain, but I guess than he had to-for the sake of the planet, and now he doesn't, he had to live for everynes sake didn't he.
I kinda thought perhaps he would have found something to live for or fight for at least.

But now I think about it, he doesn't seem to have anything to live for so I guess he should just die now, Aeris is gone.


I HAVE A PICTURE OF AERIS, I GOT IT YEARS BACK !!-I just found it and didn't even realise I've had it all this time, I can scan it in if you'all want.