In the flower field scene, Aerith touches Cloud's arm. Some people have been trying to say that she's trying to heal Cloud's Geostigma.

It's possible, but when was it ever shown that a spirit's touch could heal someone in FFVII? Theoretically, it could actually make Cloud's Geostigma worse since Aerith is now part of the Lifestream. If the Lifestream within people is causing an overreaction to the Jenova cells inside people and Cloud is further exposed to the Lifestream by Aerith's touch, then his Geostigma could actually get worse. (I don't think Aerith would do that intentionally... but it's an interesting possibility.)

Since Cloud already had Jenova cells in him before getting Geostigma, is his case pretty advanced? Will that make it more difficult to heal him?

Of course, this all involves whether Cloud will die of Geostigma by the end of the movie... or will Aerith save Cloud from dying? Aerith would most likely heal him if it's possible for her to do it, but Cloud is actually wanting to die at this point. If Aerith does heal him, it will cause she and Cloud to be separated even longer!! :o :(

So what are the chances that Aerith will heal Cloud?

I'd say pretty low actually. It would make sense for her to, but I dunno. My gut's sayin' no(or that it's hungry, either way nothing positive).
Hmmmm....I'm trying to think of something constructive to add to this, but I'm too wiped out from work. I'll post later when I have more to say!

Uh... I don't think she was trying to heal Cloud. Maybe it was just a gesture of trying to comfort him, kind of like an "everything's going to be all right" thing.

Besides, can Aerith heal by touch? Doesn't she, like... need Materia or magic or anything else? Of course, that's taking it from the "Aerith is tangible" point of view. Baaah. I don't know...

LOL!! Sefie's funny. :P

Yup, I think so too! I don't think she was trying to heal him, if she was why didn't she do it sooner? I like to think she drifts in to the Church sometimes, maybe when he's sleeping. Or more. The flower field scene doesn't seem like it's the first time they've spoken. If it were, she'd start off with a "Hi" or "Don't freak out" or something along those lines. It feels more like they've grown accustomed to meeting like this.

So... I think it's just a little talk, to make sure he's okay, that he's ready to step into the place she died. It seems he hasn't been there in a long time...

That's a good point. The Cloti's like to think that Aerith is healing Cloud when she touches him because they want him alive at the end of it. :lol: But we don't even know that a spirit can do that with a touch. Like you said, why didn't she do that sooner, if she's able to do it? Why isn't she healing the children? It was never shown in FFVII that a spirit could heal a person by touching them, so why should it happen now?

I want to believe that they've spoken many times like this, too... that he is able to speak with her in the Church, in his dreams, etc. That's how I've always pictured it. But the flower field scene comes across to me as the first time he's seen her in two years. If he'd been talking to her all along, why is he still feeling guilty? That's been bothering me because I've always believed that they would be able to communicate with one another in some way. :(

Yeah, I get where you're coming from. But from their conversation, he doesn't seem shocked that she's there. That's why I think he's spoken to her before. I don't know... Maybe he can't get over the fact that he couldn't save her? Maybe the more he sees her, the more upset he gets as it just reminds him that she isn't there with him anymore. I don't know... :(

True... and if they hadn't spoken in two years, why isn't there more of a greeting? Even IF she were only a friend - like the Cloti's want to believe - I think they would greet one another first. Wouldn't Aerith say something like, "It's good to see you again" instead of "Question: Why are you here?"

I've said before that the scene seems out of context, and that's exactly why. It seems odd that they start a conversation with one another that way if he hasn't seen her for two years. It also seems to me that more with Aerith will follow the conversation. It seems too incomplete for there to be no more conversations with Aerith during the course of the movie. Cloud obviously has more to say to her, and I don't think Aerith would just drop the conversation there, either. I think we will see further conversation between them in the movie. :rolleyes:

hmm......... i think we need more clue's or something right?....
maybe aeris knows something that cloud or the others dont know....anyways theres something about her smile(its pretty,i know)but something is fishy about it like if she were hiding something....at least thats what my sister said to me :P maybe she could heal him but maybe not(i dont know im too confuse right now) and what about the forest what was vincent and cloud doing there next to the lake?...besides trying to like stop kadaj and the others.

Okay! I thought about it and came back!
She touches his left arm, right? The one with Geostigma. Now, the reason for that could be one of two. Either it was just easier cuz she's right handed, or she knows the infection's there(once again, she's a few steps ahead of Tifa). I think it was more of comfort than anything else really. Letting him know that it's alright. And hey, when Vincent touched it Cloud winced and looked to be in some pain, but when Aeris touched it he was fine.
Besides, like it was said before, no where else have spirits ever healed anyone in FFVII, so I don't think she is. She's just touching him, and comforting him.

That scene really DOESN'T seem to be their first encounter like this, and I agree with Aly's confusion. I hadn't actually thought about it 'til now. Hmmm...

Ya know, I started a thread about this at ff7ac.net, but nobody's come up with really conclusive answers. Nobou(*sob*) said he was re-using Aeris' theme, but I want to know where. There are two confirmed scenes with her(a quick flash of her burial and the convo), and neither would really be appropriate for her theme. Maybe a few tinkling notes from it during the 2 second flashback, but that doesn't seem like enough. I think that this is a clue to MUCH more Aeris. Maybe at the end of the movie, as Cloud's kneeling in pain/dying, her theme plays gently(just a lil, like at the ending of the game) and he sees a hand reaching down to him, and the screen goes white. But still, that doesn't seem like enough of her theme.

Yup, I think their long chat in the flower field was cut to ribbons to fit the screening as well.

Oh, this is how Aerith starts off the conversation:

Her starting with a question makes it feel like they've had a similar conversation before, or is it just me?

I think the intro should have made it uncut, since they show Cloud stepping into the flower field and everything. Well, maybe they cut a little off it, but regardless that question seems to be pointing at something.

hmm....it does seem that cloud and aeris have had this conversation before but looks like in another place...because when they were together in the flower field aeris said:
Question!Why have come here?
like if she didnt want him there for some reason or something right?
anyways i do think that aeris was like trying to confort cloud when she touched his arm and maybe when she did that he wanted to turn around to see her(face)but as we all know he didnt OR did he?
hmm....and what about when kadaj entered the church:
http://www.adventchildren.net/media/screen...advent_0029.htm (that a pic when he entered)...looks like something happened there if that made him scream right?

Yeah, I think Aeris will heal Cloud even though he won't want her to. I see that happening, don't ask me why, like Cloud saying he wants the geostigma to finish him off to be with her, but she'll say something like he has to go on and can't give up.
However!
I do see them together by the movie's end, be it Aeris coming back, or Cloud dying in his old age, NOT with Tifa. I think they need closure to the story since they're having all the prequels and Vincent's game.
And yes, their conversation DOES seem edited. They can't be that... unfeeling towards each other, I mean this is the girl Cloud has longed for, for two years!
Here's to you Aeris, go claim that blonde spikey haired buff sexy man! *raises beer*

I think she touches his arm for two reasons. One is to show that she knows the pain he is going through and the other is to show that she cares. She loves him, and how else can you show that other than words than with touch? It's personal to touch someone in that way. I think if it were meant to show that she was going to heal him, you would see a tiny glow or a sparkly effect. Anything. So I don't think it is supposed to show that she heals him.

But I DO think that she will have a major part in the ending. Possibly helping Cloud fight Sephiroth again or something. What would be awesome to see is Cloud getting tired, feeling like he has been beaten when Great Gospel heals him Aerith steps in for him for a while, having it casted on her as well. I would love to see a fight between Aerith and Sephiroth. She could get her revenge while showing the world and Aerith-bashers that she isn't some weakling.

yeah i would love to see aeris kick butt especialy if its against sephiroth :P
i think clouds going to be in shock she kicks sephiroth's butt
anyways what if she came out of nowhere like after clouds battle against kadaj or sephiroth and says something sweet to cloud like:thank you or cloud you did it. or something like that you know?

Oooh! That'd be an awesome scene! Like in FFIX!
But maybe instead of just coming up and taking his place, she stands in front of/over him, staff drawn and ready, her eyes narrowed at Sepiroth*gets goosebumps*
That'd be totally GREAT!

I'd like to see something like that, too! I'd love to see Aerith take on Sephy! Payback time! :lol:

About the question of whether Aerith will heal Cloud, I just thought of something. IF Aerith were to heal Cloud, wouldn't it just make him more guilty? From Cloud's POV, he let her die. Cloud's having a hard enough time forgiving himself for her death because he couldn't save her. Wouldn't it cause Cloud even more guilt if Aerith were to heal him so that he could live, when he wasn't able to save her?

I agree Cloud would feel more guilty if Aerith did heal him because Aerith can save Cloud even after her death but Cloud couldnt do anything to save her :(. I guess thats why Cloud wants to be with Aerith not only that he loves her but thats the only thing he can do for her, to meet her. I hope you guys know what im trying to say here :( .

Yep, I agree, Sakura... I think he'd feel more guilty if she healed him, too. I've heard the argument that Aerith will heal Cloud and then he'll learn to forgive himself so that he can move on. I don't see Aerith healing him as resulting in that, simply because he'd feel even more guilty.

Yes, that makes sense. Cloud would want to do *something* for her because he loves her and because he let her down before. What can he do for her now, other than meet her? :rolleyes:

So basically Cloud is suffering from the classic "I can not forgive myself for I am to blame for everything" hero syndrome. :lol:

There is nothing worse than the feeling of helplessness when you can not do anything for the one you love. As Cloud can not do what he would want to do he is confused and frustrated, I suppose that's why he is riding around with Fenrir instead of settling down like most others seem to have done. :rolleyes:
But what can Cloud do for Aerith? Well, he can protect the ones that are still alive as surely that is what she would want him to do. So I suppose we could ask what does Aerith want Cloud to do rather than what does Cloud want to do to Aerith, as Cloud will do anything Aerith might ask or want him to do. So we should be concentrating on Aerith and what goes in her mind rather than Cloud. Don't you think?

So in AC we will most likely see all the usual things, Cloud will go around helping others and saying to himself that he is doing all this for Aerith and so on. We will have some flashy battles and cool, tragic scenes. But the really interesting stuff will happen after all that during the last moments of the movie when we wil finally see where it all led. How will Cloud be rewarded for all he has done or will it all end in a cliffhanger. I fear that we're not going to see all that much in the movie, they're only going to leave us with more questions as I am sure they have more plans for AC and FFVII than just this. They have a really big, fat cow in their hands and they will surely milk it for all it's worth. So expect no answers or anything too resolving as AC is just the beginning.
I wouldn't be too surprised if Aerith would actually have a rather small part in the movie as they might be saving her for whatever comes next. It's a short movie that is here only to impress the critics and get us fans even more hooked. :rolleyes:

I know I'm full of it, but I love speculating. ^_^

Hmm... Maybe you're right as Cloud, ever since the beginning, will do anything for Aerith. But what WOULD she want? If I know her well, she'd want to help others any way she could. So maybe that's what Cloud may do.

Yeah, it is going to be quite short from what I heard. But what makes me wonder is, will there be something after the movie?

In regards to whether Aerith heals Cloud when she touches his arm in the flower field, Darkslavechaos brought up a good point in our thread about The WCM and the SHM. DSC pointed out that Cloud isn't necessarily there in physical form - it's an unreal state like a dream (as in the Sleeping Forest), or it may be his spirit, or it may be taking place in his mind. So how could Aerith heal Cloud if he's not physically there? :rolleyes:

I don't think that will happen. I just think that.

Let's hope that won't happen cause the Clotis would have a field day. <_<

LOL! I hadn't thought of it in that respect... but yeah, I guess they would. :rolleyes:

I'm interested in DSC's idea, though. If the flower field scene is in Cloud's mind and it's somewhat like the Sleeping Forest sequence, then would Aerith be able to heal Cloud? If he's not even there physically, but spritually or mentally, how would she be able to heal him?

I don´t think so ¬¬...
If Aeris is able of heal Geostigma (in dreams or in the real world, it´s the same), why she only heals Cloud and also only heals him in this moment??? And the rest of people who´re infected?? They can´t dream with Aeris healing them, so it sounds crazy ¬¬... Maybe it has a possibility, but I wouldn´t understand it :blink: . Like Anastar said, Cloud would feels more guilty if it happens, because Aeris, the person who he let die, is healing him and also ONLY him...Well, Denzel and the other can die or what?? :blink: . The principal theme is "save the children" and "supervivence", not "Cloud supervivence", like many people think ^^UU...It´s my opinion...
Sorry for my mistakes and see you!! ;)

you know what know that i think about it when cloud sees aeris in the flower-field
and after she asks him "question why have you come here"
maybe there is a change that cloud could be with aeris or a chance that there maybe a way to get to her you know :huh: and if shes is a memory how could she touch cloud without going through him or something right? <_< :huh: :o :blink:

Hmm... seems like a big maybe but at the same time a possibility that Cloud meet her again.

i dont see it this way..

i think aeris ask cloud: question! , because she is cheerful, remeber? she laughs as she ask him this, is like a joke, im the only one who simetimes i said to my friends: question! why ....??

and its true the theme of aeris will play in the movie..i think that is beacuse there will be much more about aeris than we think...we will see her face i think, we will know if cloud forgive him and tell aeris, we will ear her play.....boy, its perfect!! :lol:

tifas theme.... <_< will not appear :P

Yes, that could be, but I'm wondering more about whether this is the first Cloud has seen her or whether this is a memory of something that happened during the last two years.

Unfortunately, Aerith's Theme will not be playing in the movie. Uematsu was considering it, but he later said near the time of the Venice Film Festival that the only FFVII music he might be using in Advent Children is One Winged Angel.

"Question! why have you come? Even though it pains you much to do so"

It could be interpreted that at the end of FFVII, Aerith's death and her last mins of screentime signify how she gave up her life to save her planet, her people...to save Cloud...The hand-reach scene, shows that she rescues Cloud from the depth of his confused mind, pulled his soul back to reality. In that, I feel that Aerith is giving Cloud a new chance at life. A life where he can live as himself, without the confused memories of Zack, without torment of sephiroth.
But Cloud chose not to, or rather, couldn't live a brand new life. His last line was that he wanted meet her there.
This, Aerith wouldn't have known of. So perhaps he was searching for her for 2 years...... and finally found her. Therefore Aerith was surprised as to why he hasn't put behind his past and moved on yet...and that he was still living in the pain and guilt of his past.

which then would suggest that aerith and cloud haven't been keeping in contact for 2 years.... bleh i am confused already. don't mind me >.<

Mmmm, I was thinking... Aeris looks surprised for this question... But it seems friendly and "funny", just like Aeris is. But it´s a strong possibility that Cloud has searched her in this 2 years. In this question Aeris said that Cloud has pain to go to where she is. Cloud has a lot of problems in AC, and he feels guilty because of Aeris death. He can´t see her face and he doesn´t touch his ribbon in his arm. It all seems Cloud´s guilty fault. Cloud doesn´t forgive himself in the movie, and because of that, he doesn´t feel deserver of her U.U... Well, it´s a possibility ^^U

the answers is not, she would not heal him beacuse shes just a memory, nothing more...and in an interview,people of square said:

the theme of the movie will not be soft, LIKE HEALING, it will be about SUPERVIVENCE

so, its not make sentence...and aeris is a memory of cloud, nothing more. Notice aeris flowers in her flowefield: white and yelow flowers...now notice the flowerfield were cloud is wih aeris: the same flowers, why??
because cloud knew aeris was in the promised land, which was the place were the cetra would be happy...he kenwe aeris loved flowers more than anything else, so he think her promised land must be like this, with flowers....

but is a memory....

he spent his life haunted by a beautfull memory

Daga, I agree with you ;)

Wow, did SE say that??? O.O... It means that maybe healing isn´t possible in the movie... Well, I continue with my thought of Cloud´s death ^^UU...

Actually, that is "SURVIVAL", not "SUPERVIVENCE". :D

Yeah, I read somewhere that the scene with Aeris was Cloud daydreaming. I guess it would be a bigger impact when he does see her again. :lol:

O___O I really never thought about any of this!! (Yes, I read ALL that you wrote! Everyone! ^^) All of these possibilities...o.o

Yes, I'm sure Aerith will be a lot more in the movie then shown or known about. I mean, THEY WILL show her face. So when they do show her face, it must be an extremely important/great!! part! Because, if they didn't show her face when Cloud was meeting with her, then perhaps they're saving it for when CLOUD HIMSELF actually looks into her eyes or something! :rolleyes: That would be so dramatic and cute~ (Don't mind my little fantasy world!) But it does seem possible that when they do show her face, Cloud will be there!

hey it just hit okay what i mean is that if aeris touched clouds arm how come she didnt went through him or something maybe she's not just a memory :o
(hmmm...i bet you guys think im silly or something right?)
*you may hit me if you want :cry: *

I don't think you're silly. If you ask me, I think she didn't go through with him because of several reasons. Reasons which I myself don't understand ( or I understand but what I think may not be logical) :huggle: .

I don't think she's a memory. If she was, why does everyone still remember who she is and what she has done? Unless , they all think she is (except Cloud). But the part where she touched Cloud's arm is actually still a riddle to me as I'm not sure what really happens :P.

firs of all:

1- cloud is ill, he has geostigma

2- in the last two years, he wasnt see aeris

conclusion:

now, that he is ill, i think aeris is an ilussion, he is with her because its his drram, but is only in his mind, i think :o

hmmm...i think i forgot how did cloud get Geostigma? :ermm:
anyways i guess aeris is like some kind of memory where cloud could feel her :o

I don't know, even if Aerith heal him, that doesn't mean he would live happpily and moved on with Tifa and others if this is what we're worried about. There are lots of instances, where one partner sacrifices for the other, and the one alive continues to carry his or her love for the dead partner til the day he or she dies.

I would think that Aerith's light squeeze is to remind Cloud that even though he is sick, she believes in him. That he can overcome this emotional struggle and find his strength back. ^_^
They don't even have to exchange words about his conditions. Unlike Tifa and Cloud, where we see Tifa "reprimanding" CLoud not to give up etc.
Between Aerith and Cloud, just a touch is sufficient to transmit the message. I really do believe they are connected in a special way like that :cleris: