Okay this is different than the "Christianity" and "Religion" topics. This is a Bible study for anyone who want's to come talk about the grace of God! ^_^
This was inspired by everyone talking on the "Hate" topic.

NOTE: We respect the views of all Religions and if we say anything to offend you and your beliefs disregard us. Thanks!

Okay! Let's get started anyone can feel free to say anything!

Ok. Anyone can say things? Cool. Cus I have no religion. I believe in God and everything but I don't believe certain things. I've never any seen any good in God. (I am so going to Hell.) Question: What is this "God's grace?"

Yay! I get to witness! :fangirl: (...Sorry, inside joke.)

Now I don't think it is possible to see NO good in God. Just look at the world around you. It's such an amazing place! A lot of people think that God is mad at them and he is ready to strike them down with an iron fist! But that is the farthest thing from the truth. God loves all people and all things no mater what they have done, or will do in their lives.
If you believe in God but do not attend a church then that's okay! That's what this Bible Study is for. If you have no religion than maybe you should study different types and see which one is right for you.
And as for "God's grace," this is something... well it's hard to explain. Have you ever felt really good, at peace, or something like that? Well "God's grace" is what saves us all. It is something that makes life worth living. :huggle:

*feels very lost* :blush:

Don't worry Yin-chan! ^_^ Throw in a comment, if you like!

Oh yeah, and engagedtoKadaj, If you believe on the Lord and chose him as your savior, even if you believe in things that aren't normally agreed with in the "Church" you're not going to hell.
Our God is an awesome and caring God, he wants life for you! And he wants that life to be great! And that life is yours for the taking.


I'm sleepy now, I'm going to go to sleep! :yawn: 'Night!

Oh, such a lovely thread!! :) yin-chan, there is no need to feel lost. The only thing that matter is that you've accepted Christ as your Saviour. I feel God's grace all the time, that He has blessed me with a family, shelter, food and drink, the simple things. And most recently, we have been looking for a Sound church, one that actually belongs to God. There are so many churches around here nowadays that some are not actually do do with God. They are Satan in disguise.

But, after much prayer, God showed yet more grace by giving us a wonderful church!!! ^_^ We are even going to a Harvest Thanksgiving festival there tomorrow, and there is going to be a Lord's Supper, and then games and stuff for the youths afterwards. God even blessed me by giving me th courage in joining the small orchestra that they have there!! It's wonderful!! And there are so many american peeps there, too, I just love the accent. :lol:

But that is God's blessing for you. He does everything for a reason. Even the natural disasters that are occuring, they are all done for a reason, it is all part of God's plan, like it says in Revelation. ^_^

EDIT: sweet dreams, Nevi!! ^_^

Hi! I don't know what to do really, but I'd like to join this Bible study! Great thread Nevi!

Arigato, SG! ^_^
Any way, that's neat that you found a new church. Ain't god just so good!? ^_^ Are you brittish? I noted your american comment. I'm american, so you like our accents? :lol:

Yuh, I'm a brit!! :P I like the fact that Americans are alot more optomistic than most people. :) And your accent RAWKS!! :woot:

But God is Awesome.

*quotes from the Bible*

I love that one! ^_^
Hey, let's start from the beginning. When I get some time I'll post the first chapter in the New Living Translation because it's an easy read.

Oh, yes!! :fangirl:

I get my Bible quotes from Bible Gateway, it's really cool there, cuz it has loads of translations.

I don't even have a bible... :cry: Is that a bad thing..? :sad: My parent's didn't have one either, and they're christian...is it wrong? :unsure:

I'm sorry if I'll be very very lost in this thread.. :lol:

Even though it helps, as long as you have asked Christ into your heart it doesn't matter. :huggle:

You can prolly look for a website that gives out free Bibles. ^_^ Trust me, the Bible really does contain so many truths. ^_^ Also, I recommend a Daily Devotional: Click on the "Our Daily Bread" section on the left. ^_^ It has a new passage every day, and I do it. :)

A Yin-chan said, it does help, but it's not wrong. I have a bible but until I started studying Egypt It kind of collected dust.... not being read. :blush: But I still had a close walk with God. He can show himself through anything, not just Christian geared things! Like Kingdom Hearts! The end of that was very spiritual in my opinion.

The Bible is the besy way of God talking to you. There are things in there that tell you so many things, and if you believe all the things He has said, you are on your way to being a Christian. (the only thing separating you from God, is by having Him in your Heart. ^_^ )

I do have God in my heart. :lol: I hope, because I'm not so sure what defines 'Having God in your heart'. There are times that I question the judgment day theory..and the purpose of Heaven and Hell....but I've never once disbelieved in God. ^_^ I do believe He loves us all, and made us all equal, and is our saviour, and I appreciate what He's done by sacrificing Himself for our sins, but....how can you really know if He has acknowledged you? :unsure:

Who wrote the Bible...? That's a question I've been longing to know for ages. Who wrote it...and how do we know for sure that it's 100% accurate and complying to what God wants to say? :unsure:

:o That just strengthened my will to finish Kingdom Hearts! :lol:

There isn't anything particularly Christian in the ending of KH,
That's all I wanted to type, not debating you in your thread or anything

That's ok, DQ. :huggle:

I don't think that either. :lol:

But, that is so good that you have accepted Christ, yin. ^_^ How can you really know? I have doubts like that sometimes, but you just have reme,ber the time you actually said, "Jesus, come into my heart and be my Saviour". If you remember that, and you know you truly meant it, then you're fine. :) Just to make sure, I sometimes ask again!! :lol: God can reassure you sometimes, and even though you can't see Him, He is always there for you. Spiritually.

Who wrote the Bible... yeah, I've asked that before too. ^_^ Well, God wrote it, but he gave people, like Moses, Daniel, Paul, James and Peter, the words to say. He inspired them. They wrote these books, and God intended them to be read for the future, like now, because they are guidelines for life. God basically sent messengers, and inspired them to write things down, send letters, and now they comprise of the Bible. ^_^

God told many men to write the bible, and we have to have faith that they listened to God and wrote it exactly how he told them!

That was just my opinion, I see God in weird ways, through writing and drawing and listening to music and even playing games.

Me too, SG! KH seemed "Third Day" too me. :whistle:
Anyway! Let's start with Genesis! ^_^


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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was empty, a formless mass cloaked in darkness. And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface. Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that it was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkness "night." Together these made up one day.
And God said, "Let there be space between the waters, to separate water from water." And so it was. God made this space to separate the waters above from the waters below. And God called the space "sky." This happened on the second day.
And God said, "Let the waters beneath the sky be gathered into one place so dry ground may appear." And so it was. God named the dry ground "land" and the water "seas." And God saw that it was good. Then God said, "Let the land burst forth with every sort of grass and seed-bearing plant. And let there be trees that grow seed-bearing fruit. The seeds will then produce the kinds of plants and trees from which they came." And so it was. The land was filled with seed-bearing plants and trees, and their seeds produced plants and trees of like kind. And God saw that it was good. This all happened on the third day.
And God said, "Let bright lights appear in the sky to separate the day from the night. They will be signs to mark off the seasons, the days, and the years. Let their light shine down upon the earth." And so it was. For God made two great lights, the sun and the moon, to shine down upon the earth. The greater one, the sun, presides during the day; the lesser one, the moon, presides through the night. He also made the stars. God set these lights in the heavens to light the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. This all happened on the fourth day.
And God said, "Let the waters swarm with fish and other life. Let the skies be filled with birds of every kind." So God created great sea creatures and every sort of fish and every kind of bird. And God saw that it was good. Then God blessed them, saying, "Let the fish multiply and fill the oceans. Let the birds increase and fill the earth." This all happened on the fifth day.
And God said, "Let the earth bring forth every kind of animal--livestock, small animals, and wildlife." And so it was. God made all sorts of wild animals, livestock, and small animals, each able to reproduce more of its own kind. And God saw that it was good.
Then God said, "Let us make people in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life--the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the livestock, wild animals, and small animals."
So God created people in his own image;
God patterned them after himself;
male and female he created them.
God blessed them and told them, "Multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Be masters over the fish and birds and all the animals." And God said, "Look! I have given you the seed-bearing plants throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food. And I have given all the grasses and other green plants to the animals and birds for their food." And so it was. Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was excellent in every way. This all happened on the sixth day.
So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was completed. On the seventh day, having finished his task, God rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from his work of creation.
This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth.
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Let's discuss. Anyone want to bring an idea to the table?

Wow..that's interesting.. :o I've heard of that story but never really got to read it before. (I can't believe a Cleris forum has become one of my main sources of Christian studies :lol:) Thank you for sharing that, Nevi! :huggle:

Can I ask a small silly question... :blush: Where do the dinosaurs come in there..? :unsure:

Dinosaurs are the land creatures and sea creatures; they were created with the other animals. :)

Let me see, I think it was in Job when god described the I go look now!! Behemoth and Leviathan.
(Never thought a summon would be in the bible, did ya? :lol:)

Now don't that sound a lot like a Brontosaurus?

Now, it may just be me but that thing God described sounded just like a Dragon or the Loch Ness Monster.


That's the record of Dinosaurs in the bible. ^_^

They became extinct because after the Flood, the Climate changed alot. so, they couldn't handle it, and they died out, as with some other animals. -_-

Hey, Nevi, do you reckon there was an Ice Age after the Flood?

Could be an Ice Age after, but I doubt it.
In my personal belief dinosaurs still exist today.
Take Loch Ness. I'm a firm believer in Nessie and I think she's a dinosaur. And in the 60s a fish that was supposed to be extinct for millions of years was found happily swimming around in the ocean. Also many years ago in florida, near the cost (or was it the center?) a swamp was found and almost everyone who went to explore it was killed. Either by the terrain or by some horrible beast. And throughout the middle ages people had encounters with dragons, and sea monsters all the time. And I think that now that we have bigger and louder ships to explore the seas these things don't show up. We scared them away and that's why, in my personal opinion, that we don't see these things very often.

yup, I believe there are dinosaurs too. Though some would've died out, because of the climate change. ^_^

I think Loch Ness is real too... http://www.answersingenesis.org/

Ooh! Answers In Genesis! *glomps* Anyway, where's Yin-chan?? :blink:
Now onto the next chapter!!

So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was completed. On the seventh day, having finished his task, God rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from his work of creation.
This is the account of the creation of the heavens and the earth.
When the LORD God made the heavens and the earth, there were no plants or grain growing on the earth, for the LORD God had not sent any rain. And no one was there to cultivate the soil. But water came up out of the ground and watered all the land. And the LORD God formed a man's body from the dust of the ground and breathed into it the breath of life. And the man became a living person.
Then the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, in the east, and there he placed the man he had created. And the LORD God planted all sorts of trees in the garden--beautiful trees that produced delicious fruit. At the center of the garden he placed the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
A river flowed from the land of Eden, watering the garden and then dividing into four branches. One of these branches is the Pishon, which flows around the entire land of Havilah, where gold is found. The gold of that land is exceptionally pure; aromatic resin and onyx stone are also found there. The second branch is the Gihon, which flows around the entire land of Cush. The third branch is the Tigris, which flows to the east of Asshur. The fourth branch is the Euphrates.
The LORD God placed the man in the Garden of Eden to tend and care for it. But the LORD God gave him this warning: "You may freely eat any fruit in the garden except fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat of its fruit, you will surely die."
And the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a companion who will help him." So the LORD God formed from the soil every kind of animal and bird. He brought them to Adam to see what he would call them, and Adam chose a name for each one. He gave names to all the livestock, birds, and wild animals. But still there was no companion suitable for him. So the LORD God caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep. He took one of Adam's ribs and closed up the place from which he had taken it. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib and brought her to Adam.
At last!" Adam exclaimed. "She is part of my own flesh and bone! She will be called `woman,' because she was taken out of a man." This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one. Now, although Adam and his wife were both naked, neither of them felt any shame.

This may sound weird to some, about Adam and Eve being naked and not feeling any shame. But it fact neither of them knew they were naked. There was no such thing as naked at this time. For this to be just a myth, as some believe, it's pretty descriptive. :rolleyes:

And just so you know, Genesis was written down by Moses and given by God.

Quite true!

(sitting by and waiting 'till we get to Abraham/Joseph/Moses *eats up anyting egyptiaN*

I can't wait for Joseph, either! Zaphanapanair (sp?) rocks!

Zathnathpena... I think. I could be wrong.

Ooooh .... so much to read..

The dinosaurs thing is very interesting..

That sure sounds like a Tyrannosaurus Rex to me! :lol:

So Moses wrote the Genesis...hrm...Tigis and Euphrates...that's two rivers in Vietnam (or was it Thailand)? How interesting...

I don't know much about Moses except that he parted the Dead Sea or something like that. :unsure: :cry: Don't kill me!

Wasn't Moses way after Adam and Eve's time? :unsure:

Yup! ^_^ We'll be getting to Moses in Exodus! He's a neat guy too. I'll post chapter 3 tomorrow or sometime.
And yeah, It does sound kinda like a T-rex!

Zaphenath-Paneah --- God speaks, and He lives!!!! ^_^

you've gone so far with out me, Nevi!! *smacks*

Moses parted the Red Sea, yin-chan. :lol: Almost. :huggle:

Yeah, I know. ^_^ Thats why it was called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

I think we are getting to that bit. ;)

I hope no one takes offense to this, and I certainly don't intend it to be at all offensive. Ok now onto the point.

I have come to believe in a god in the past 8 months or so, and I'm currently in the process of learning more about several religions, to get a grasp of what I feel and know.

And ofcourse living in Australia, I've been doing some research on Christianity.

Now one of the simple things about the bible that bothers me is why sins exist at all. I understand that God has given us the free will to make our own decisions, and that we can all love Him if we turn our eyes to him and the saviour, but why are we in this position in the first place?

From what I know (and feel free to correct me, i'm woefully uneducated on the matter) our sins were created by the temptation that Eve initally gave into in the Garden of Eden. From that moment, we had the knowledge of what was good and evil and could thus do both good and evil. And here we have our sins and the hole between us and god, which has now been breached by Christ.

My point is that if God is the creator of all and is omnipotent then he created the temptation that would lead to our destruction. Why? You can say that by the existence of temptation and sin he gives us free will and a choice, yet we are ultimately blamed for our sins when he created them.

I suppose my real question is, why would the Christian God create the possibility of sin in the first place?

That's a very interesting question, Raist. :huggle:

I have to think about this...*brain get clouded*


I decided to look at Answers in Genesis, and I found what I wanted. ^_^

I love copy and paste. :lol:


"It may seem strange that God placed such temptation before man, but it is not wrong of God to provide an opportunity for man to demonstrate his obedience and thus receive greater blessing. God later tested Abraham to offer his son Isaac, and gave him greater blessing as reward for his obedience. However, Satan’s motive was very different. It was not wrong for man to listen to the temptation—nor was it sin to be tempted. Sin was the yielding to temptation."

Click here for the full report. :)

I won't go any further than this because I understand that this is a topic more for believers than anything else but I'll just say one last thing in response to your last post.

I understand that God did that so that we could further show our faith. But in doing so he must have immediately accepted that some would not. If we can accept God and show me more faith then we must be seperate from others, who will not show that faith. If that is the case then how can they be punished by God's on actions?

Good Day

Sin wasn't created by temptation. It was created by angels. Yes, angels. Lucifer, to be exact. Lucifer had the most beautiful voice in all of heaven then he became arrogant and prideful.
Lucifer thought that he was better than God. So he gathered other angels and they confronted God. He banished them all to hell. Lucifer became Satan, and his angels became demons.
But Satan got out of hell and went to the Garden. He tempted Eve and she ate of the fruit, naively. Then she gave it to her husband who partook of it as well. When Adam and Eve at the fruit they began too see. They saw that they were naked and they became ashamed and hid from God.
God, knowing all, knew where they were so he decided to stroll along in the Garden, close by them. He called out to Adam, and Adam answered. Adam told that he was ashamed because he was naked and God asked, "Who told you, you were naked?"
Then Adam blames Eve, Eve blames the serpent and God curses the serpent to crawl on it's belly.
Then God puts a curse on the earth.
This may sound harsh but during the Old Testament God was quick to get angry. But when Jesus died on the cross for our sins, God saw that there was nothing left to be angry at Man for. So he gave us a choice, to trust in him, or not to trust in him.

In short, Hell was not meant for humans until Adam and Eve sinned, so anyone who follows Satan goes to Hell, just like Lucifer and his band of Angels. To be saved you had to give an offering of a calf or a lamb. But then Jesus died on the cross and we can just believe in him and we shall be saved.

Oh and Raist, please keep on coming. This could help you in your quest for knowledge. :)

^ Actually that is how a friend of mine explained it as well. But something still doesn't sit well with me.

Who created the angels? Surely if God is the creator of all then he also created the angels. And if he created the angels he also created Lucifer, and he must have known what Lucifer would soon become. But my biggest concern here is why on Earth did God create evil. Surely you can see that Lucifer could not have knowledge of pride and arrogance or any other such evil without, first, its creation. If that is the case then God is the creator of both good and evil.

So once again the question is why?

To tempt man into sin, to test his Faith. ^_^ To see if man could keep his walk with God. Nevi's better at explaining. :blush:

My goodness, I'm getting more and more confuzzled with each post.

Raist makes so much sense, and has asked questions that have lingered in my mind a few times before.

Then, Nevi and AR come back with so much sense as well.

I'm learning so much from this. :lol: Sadly I can't contribute cause my knowledge is like.....low. :cry: So I'll just learn. ^_^

*sits and watches the discussion*