What are your reasons for thinking that Aerith is better for Cloud than Tifa? Why *don't* you want Tifa with Cloud?

For me, Aerith seems to make Cloud happy. Cloud never shows happiness around Tifa. It always seemed to me that Tifa was asking Cloud for help, or whining about their past in Nibelheim, etc. Aerith showed interest in Cloud and wanted to have fun with him. They had adventures together and shared ideas with one another. Tifa's attitude seemed more like, "What should we do now, Cloud?!?" Cloud just seemed to enjoy himself with Aerith, whereas he always had to confront past and current problems with Tifa. With Tifa, it's always an "issue" that she wants Cloud to deal with.

Tifa was always trying to delve into why Cloud was doing things, why didn't he remember, why is he giving the Black Materia to Sephiroth, etc., etc. Tifa continues doing that even now, in AC - why won't you fight, why are you lamenting, why aren't you listening to me, why are you running, etc. etc. Aerith would just smile, enjoy being with Cloud, offer him support and encouragement, and have a good time with him.

I saw Tifa's relationship with Cloud as being tedious, boring, and filled with tension. Cloud and Aerith's relationship was interesting, exciting, and adventuresome. I also saw a lot of caring, devotion, and understanding between them. I saw no special chemistry between Cloud and Tifa, but I saw lots of special chemistry happening between Aerith and Cloud. I also don't think Cloud and Tifa look good together at all. Cloud's love for Aerith was very obvious to me, too. I didn't see Cloud showing ANY romantic interest toward Tifa, however. Tifa showed romantic interest in Cloud, but I didn't see Cloud reciprocating it.

What are your reasons?

I've gotta admit, my main reason is how happy she makes him. She knows just what to say, and just how to say it to make him smile. She gets him to come out of his shell, and is the first character to actually understand him. She's likeable, casual, and fun and that's JUST what Cloud needs.

Just because they are perfect! I love them together but the main reason are

1.- Aerith makes a happy Cloud, The only time he laughed was with Aerith.
2.- Who better than a mother to know what kind of woman he son need!!!
3.- They understand each other, Cloud always felt he was different because nobody wants to plat with him (poor Cloud :( ) and Aerith is the only survivor of the Cetra, so she understand him very well
4.- She is his light!!!
5.- The knew each other for a short time, but the chemistry betwwen them is like they were really childhood friends!! (oh the irony!)
6.- She know what to said when Cloud is miss
7.- He want to see her again!! And when he was "hugging" Tifa (take that clotis!!!)
8.- She WILL be ALWAYS in Cloud heart!
9.- Maybe the fate separeted them, but still they can be together!
10.- They are perfect together

Cloud just needs someone optimistic (No Tifa is NOT optimistic regardless of what her character description says). Tifa has the type of personality where they would be both like, "Ok, so what do we do?" when it comes to a real relationship with them. Tifa needs someone to lean on and support her. Cloud can't offer that type of love. Aerith is perfect for Cloud simply because she is independant and she can lift Cloud's spirits where Tifa wouldn't know what to do to help him.

I think the main reason that Aerith is better for Cloud than Tifa is because with Aerith, Cloud can be himself. He doesn't have to worry that he's not living up to her expectations. By not getting into SOLDIER, Cloud felt he let Tifa down, and throughout the game Tifa is always being disappointed by him. I think that their relationship would be really unhealthy - Cloud always felt that he couldn't live up to Tifa's expectations ("I could never live up to being Cloud...") and Tifa spent most of the game worrying herself to death about him, but not brave enough to tell him why she was worried. Tifa needs someone she can lean on, who she can rely on when things are difficult, someone who'll tell her things will be okay. Cloud needs someone strong emotionally, someone who's optimistic and will be able to stop him from becoming withdrawn and who he can depend on to cheer him up when things are difficult for him. See the problem with CloTi?

Aerith is the one Cloud can rely on to cheer him up, someone he can be himself around and who doesn't place him on a pedastal like Tifa does. When Cloud tried to act the tough hero, Aerith wouldn't let him. She wouldn't let him make her go home, she outsmarted him when he tried to leave for Wall Market without her, she wouldn't allow him to treat her like a damsel in distress. She took charge during the Wall Market sidequest and bossed him around instead of letting him tell her what to do! :lol: Aerith is the only girl who got Cloud to open up and drop the tough facade for a while. That's why she's the best choice for him.

Cloud and Aerith's love, for me, is the epitome of true love that is pure and simple yet lasts forever even after death. It's the kind of love I'm sure everybody dreams of... I do! ^_^

Like what the others have mentioned, Cloud can be himself around Aerith. I don't approve of the idea of Cloud with Tifa because I think their relationship wouldn't work out between the two of them, considering their attitudes towards themselves and the others, and also looking at their zodiac signs. They wouldn't really be compatible perfectly in love but the relationship could work out as something like a fling or a one-night stand (oh my gawd... that would suck...)... but when it comes to Cloud and Aerith, it's perfect for love and in the bedroom (uhh... forgive me, I'm using astrology. <_< )... Eheh... :unsure:

Their love is like "Even after death" and not just like "'Til do us part". It's so... eternal... It's something really stronger than the "love" that I've seen in TidusxYuna and SquallxRinoa.

Tifa's got a lot of issues that she cannot handle well and so they affect her in a way that she isn't even conscious of; while Aerith is someone who also has issues of her own, but she does not let them affect her and the way she deals with other people. Both are optimistic in a way, but Tifa's optimism is like being fake about her true self to others (ugh... I don't know how else to explain it...) while Aerith's optimism is something that comes from the heart and soul and not just hypocrisy or being fake about her true feelings.

Cloud, I think, is a person who doesn't open up much to people unless they open up to him first and prove to him that he could trust them. In Tifa's case, if I was Cloud, why would I even trust that girl if she already lied to me about my past just so that she could get what she wants out of me? I would trust her again, but not the same way that I must've done before. And Tifa's another person who doesn't really open up too much to other people in terms of sharing her deepest emotions about another person. She couldn't even admit properly to Cloud that she liked him. Where would their relationship head to if they're both too quiet about their own feelings for each other, just in case they do get together?! It would go nowhere because nobody knows how to communicate with one another about their feelings; while I think that a good and lasting relationship should have a free-flowing relationship built on love, faith and trust between the two people involved in it.
Going to Aerith, she is more open to people; not afraid to express what she feels and what she's thinking of. She's more expressive than Tifa too. That's the kind of person that Cloud needs to love him and for him to love. She can teach him how to open up without being to harsh on him or being too aggressive on it. Cloud can be himself around her. ^_^'

Actually, I think Tifa's optimizm is more of a coverup for others. She acts strong and happy for others, she smiles when she's sad so that others will be happy. It's part of her whole self-sacrificing character.

Ahh, that was well said, Sefie-poo, you deserve a cookie. ^_^

*feeds Sefie a cookie*

Self-sacrificing is a good way to describe Tifa. It's a wonderful quality in a person, at least in my opinion but it's not the kind of quality Cloud's girlfriend should have. Cloud is self-sacrificing enough alone so he needs someone to be the voice of reason in that relationship, someone who helps him to keep his thoughts together and allows him to escape the cruel reality even if for a short while. And Aerith is perfect when it comes to those things, she can take care of Cloud mentally and well...physically too, of course. :rolleyes:

You have all expressed what i wanted to say.. heehee
Key: Tifa is hiding behind a facade, like everyone else has said, she is trying to be optimistic when deep inside she is confused and scared...Cloud is too hiding behind a facade...mainly because he is confused with all the mind-playing tricks sephy played on him...
However, tis only when Cloud is with Aerith, he seems to be able to put all that behind, to open up and laugh...Who, what, why are no longer important anymore... with Aerith, he is contented.

Aeris is good for Cloud, because of her personality. Cloud needs someone warm hearted, outgoing, and friendly, to bring him out. Aeris opened him up, and made him a little less afraid to express himself. Plus, it was obvious that Cloud cared deeply for Aeris, and the same for her, to Cloud. There are many hints that point toward them being the couple.

Tifa isn't good for Cloud, for a few reasons. One, she's too shy. She wouldn't be of any social help to Cloud. Two, she is so afraid of her own feelings, others can get hurt. I mean, look what she did to Cloud! She led him to his doom, by keeping a secret from him. Three, I don't think she truely loves Cloud. Maybe they had a brother-sister type relationship, but never a true loving one. And last, Tifa is way to controlling. Like in the beginning, she wouldn't leave Cloud alone about their promise, and joining AVALANCHE. She stuck to him, and woulodn't let him go. This is bad on Cloud's part, because he could never experience things for himself.

I can see what you guys mean. He does look happier and shows more emotions when he's with Aerith. Cloud's not afraid to express himself with her unlike when he's with Tifa.

In fact, isn't Aerith the type of girl that his mother recommended him to be with, "You should have an older girlfriend, one that would take care of you."

If she was alive and Cloud chose Aerith, his mother would be thrilled :P . Besides that, he looked really heartbroken when Sephiroth killed Aerith, more worried than when he 'saved' Tifa in Nibelheim mountains.

Oh yeah. And everytime Cloud is around Tifa, something "bad" always seems to happen to him that does not even make sense or doesn't even have a big or complete significance in his life (something that is worth living for)! First of all there's the time when he "saved" her from the Nibelheim mountains. And then the wheelchair incident... where he got flung off.
And much, much more...
Compared to cases wherein he's with Aerith, even if something bad happens to them or to him, or even when it leaves a bigger mess in his life (but I don't think it really happened that way), it still had a big significance in his existence... and it's something worth living for. :huh:

MADAME BATOLLI!!! I praise your fanfictions! ^_^ Nice to see you here!


Hmmm... reasons why Aeris is meant for Cloud? Oh my... there are so many! I'll start of with some basic ones...



A.) With Aeris, Cloud was always open. He always seemed to enjoy being with Aeris, and Aeris with him. Besides... here's this:

"Besides... I'll... we'll be with you... right?" ~Cosmo Canyon, around the bonfire

(It's not exactly word by word.) Does this not show us that Cloud will be with Aeris? He let's it slip and covers it with "we'll" be with you. Personally, this moment was very... nice to me.

B.) Look at Aeris' name. 'Aeris' equals 'cloud' in Greek. Eris equals the goddess of strife and discord. Strife. Doesn't that ring bells? Cloud Strife. This info is not mine. I read it in a website dedicated to Cloud and Aeris - but I am not sure if it is truly correct.

C.) Aeris was always an optimistic person. In the manual, it said Tifa was optimistic. Lots of things in the manual were wrong. Like, it said Cloud was a First-Class Soldier. But he wasn't.

Tifa is not optimistic. She is not even open with things on her mind. If she told Cloud the truth, then he wouldn't carry a lie with him, thinking that it was true. Sure, he would feel like a failure, but it would prevent him giving the Black Materia to Sephiroth. Lots of things could be prevented if only Tifa told Cloud the truth.

If Cloud and Tifa do have a romantic relationship, then it would fall apart. Cloud is not open with his emotions - and so is Tifa. They couldn't tell each other how they felt - other than "I love you". Eventually, one of them would get frustrated. <.<

With Aeris, Cloud could learn how to be open. Tifa could never teach him that. Aeris was always an open person, if not just a bit stubborn. ^_^




Well... those are my opinions. :ph43r: Now I pray that the Pink Haven of Cloud and Aeris will keep CloTis from reading my post. :ph43r: :blink:

Great reasons, everyone!

I've never seen Tifa as being an optimistic person, either! See this thread on Tifa's character:
http://s8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/...p?showtopic=268

Well, we can't keep them from reading it, but we can prevent them from bashing it. ;)

Why is Aeris better for Cloud? Because she drops it like it's hot.

You have just received your first warning. Your posts will now be previewed beforehand by staff members. ~FF_G~

Hmmmm... yeah, you're right, Aly. We can't prevent them to read it... <_<


Oh... by the way:



Blue is a color which is only second to pink compared to relaxation. There was a test in a jail cell in which a room was painted pink. Unruly prisoners were confined in this room - and behavior was quieted. Not bad eh?

However, in London, people were upset because of the increasing number of suicidal attempts on the Black Friar's Bridge. When the bridge was painted blue, the number of suicidal attempts was decreased by one third. :blink:


Blue and pink is more like Cloud and Aeris' theme colors, while Tifa usually wears white or black.



Note: My reading teacher just added this in one of our tests... it's a real article though... :unsure:

Hmmm, interesting!

Also, blue is the color of masculinity, while pink is feminity. Cloud is the personification of the typical male, while Aeris is as girly as they come. Interesting, neh?

*Rooooooollls eyes at Beautiful Aeris* I can't even make sense of what she meant....some people's kids

No... you don't understand, white/black is soo the color of femininity!! :rolleyes:

I believe it's some reference to Aeris being permiscuous, I had trouble as well..

Yeah, just another lame-o member of the Seventh Hell and Below forum coming here with their pervy ideas. Talk about needing a social life... :rolleyes:

*smacks beautiful aeris away* ugh. I'm not even going there.
Anyway, reasons why Cloud and Aeris have to be together.... I'll take a heap of what you guys said (cuz it was so good) and add on me own...
the way I see it, Cloud has been ambling through life, trying to find something or someone that will love him and accept him for who he is. Now, picture if you will, a crisp autumn day, the last leaf falling off of a tree, and tumbling gently in the wind until it comes to rest on the ground. The leaf represents Cloud. The ground, of course is Aeris. Who knows where the wind will take the leaf when it blows? But you can see how calm the leaf is lying on the cool ground, undisturbed.
That's my crzy analogy for now... forgive me, I'm very tired and mentally unstable... hee! :D

I always thought that Aerith was better for Cloud than Tifa because Tifa...she didn't show anything to Cloud when he was younger. SHe ignored him. I think she's more like the best friend girl who supports him and loves him like a brother. But that would ruin the love triangleness and its fun ;)
Now Aerith, she's a different story

Aeris is better for Cloud because Aeris shows Cloud love. Cloud never had someone who really appreciated him before he met Aerith. Aerith brought happiness into his life. Cloud was lonely before he met Aeris. Aeris was lonely before she met Cloud. When they met, they both found the person they need. Someone who'll love and appreciate them. Aeris makes Cloud feel happy. She brings out emotion in him. She makes him smile, laugh, cry and brigns out all emotions in Cloud. She's the one who changed him. She helped him recover from the tragic past he had to endure. She was the first person who didn't look down on him. The only person who never turned their back on him. Aeris was always there for him. Tifa was too popular to notice him. She didn't care about him and it seemed that Tifa only noticed him when he came back. It seemed Tifa wanted soemone more like Zack. Cloud and Aeris fit together. Aeris needs someone like Cloud and Cloud needs someone like Aeris. Aerith always looked at him as a great person. Aeris always appreciated Cloud for who he was. Aeris helped Cloud become a stronger person.

Cloud also helped change Aeris. Before Aeris met Cloud, she was lonely. She told Cloud how only a handful of people really knew her. When she met Cloud, he was one of the first people who really looked at her for who she was. He was the first person she could open up to. He brought in happiness, and he helped her feel love and friendship. Cloud helped her be happy and discover who she was. Cloud changed her life. Aeris was always there for Cloud. Plus, she brings out the best in Cloud. Cloud is able to laugh and smile with Aeris. Aeris is the only person who can make Cloud smile. She is the only one who can get Cloud to feel so many emotions. When she was captured, Cloud thought of her right away. Before he met her, he wanted to get paid to fight, but with Aeris, he accepted her offer of a date and rescued her because he wanted to. He stayed with Aeris because he wanted to rather then because he was paid.

Aerith and Cloud also have good communication. Their personalities are both opposite and similar. The lonely parts inside of them are filled when their together. Aeris's cheerfulness and Cloud's protectiveness help balance each other to form a special bond.

Aerith was Cloud's light in his time of darkness and confusion.

I hate when CloTis say "Well Tifa helped Cloud out of his coma!! SO THERE!", but Aerith had died at this point in the game, if she were alive, I'm sure she'd do everything she could to help him.

Tifa relates to Cloud's past and confusion, she's always dressed in dark clothes (in FFVII it's black and white, in AC I think it's black or dark brown), Aerith however was the bright pink wearing flowergirl of Midgar, she stood out.

I've heard an Anti-Aerith/CloRith say this:

Aerith was selling flowers cheaply on the sly, she was actually whoring herself out for money, which is probably why she approached Cloud for the first time. I mean who makes a living out of selling flowers for a gil? It's pathetic! She obviously had something else going on!

The reason I believe she sold flowers for such a cheap price? It was to bring light into the people of Midgar's lives, because flowers couldn't grow in Midgar, and they were beautiful flowers. And I believe this also relates to Aerith being Cloud's beautiful flower, his "light" in the darkness of his confusion.

And I ramble ^^;;

yes, i think the reason of why aeris sealed flowers in midgar for one gil was because flowers couldnt grow in midgar and because people of slums werent rich, so aeris thought they deserved the oportunity to have flowers... aeris wears in ponk because she was special, the people weared in black, just like tifa, it was to show how diferent aeris was from the others..when we first see here in midgar we can see she is diferent....

( i hope yo can understand my english and sorry for the mistakes :unsure: )

Why don't we turn this around? Why is Cloud good for Aeris?

We already have a whole thread on why Cloud is good for Aerith:

I Want to Know.... X3 :rolleyes:

Sorry guys! Man, do I feel silly... ::blushes:: :P

Hee... s'okay... it just means that great minds think alike! :lol:

Well... actually, it's possible tto make it harder: make the forum a members-only one (where guests can't even read the forum: they have to be members to see the threads and post. I'm sure InvisionFree can do it), but that can also prevent some members from joining O_o

Either way, why I like Aerith and Cloud...? Probably because Aerith was the first person that he actually tried to be nice to, and tried to protect at all costs. He was just different when near her, so that's my reason.


... plus what everyone has said so far :P

Yeah, we've discussed that option... like you said, it may prevent some new members from joining, so we decided not to. No Cloti's have bothered us recently, anyway. :rolleyes:

I completely agree. Cloud was very different around Aerith... she opened him up so much. He used to be such a lonely child who wasn't confident in himself, but Aerith was able to bring out the best in him. Where else was Cloud able to laugh and smile in the game except with Aerith? Cloud seems so unhappy now. He's crawled back into that protective shell that he had around him at the beginning of FFVII. I don't think it's just guilt that's causing Cloud to withdraw into himself... it's because he's lost his light: Aerith.

Why is Aerith good for Cloud? Hmmm.... well, everybody's answered for me already. I've got nothing else to say. :lol:

But, yeah, because Aerith is the only one who got Cloud to feel anything else besides anger and depression, you know? Cloud had lived a very depressing life (being a bastard son, being outcasted by his childhood buddies, failing to become First Class, etcetera....) and it would be understandable if he just shuts out Aerith from his life given his utterly horrendous state.... but he didn't, because Aerith treated him with compassion, and for once, he responded. :lol:

:unsure:

Well, okay this will definately sound repeated. Cloud needs Aerith because she makes him happy. This is just something so obvious, but of course some people are blind that they aren't be able to see that. Aerith softened him, she made him open up, she had such a big influence of him, she was a part of Cloud. This pairing just plain rocks because how CloRith is, it happens naturally. Aerith liking Cloud first as a small crush, then that begins to grow. And Cloud, for the first time in his life, opening up and being comfortable with someone. As for CloTi, I've always had the feeling that Tifa liked Cloud in the first place because he seemed cool and all, I don't think this relationship is .. real y'know? It's like us admiring a celebrity from afar or something.
While Cloud and Aerith, the feeling's mutual.

And their love grew and blossomed like a flower.

*light bulb* :o

Right on, it didn't bloom into just any flower but ;

'A violet by a mossy stone half hidden from the eye...'
quoted from one of my fav. poems which I learned in high school. Can't remember the poet though, but will edit as soon as I remember :) ;) :P.

What I'm trying to point out: Their love bloomed but none really noticed.

A lot of things I wanted to point out have already been said, but I'll just add on.

To start off, Aeris and Cloud just simply click because they look so good together. You've got the cold, indifferent, and lonely hero; and then there's the cheerful and sweet flower girl who happens to be the last of her kind. Basically, it's obvious that he needs her gentle, understanding, and caring support; and (being the brave and strong hero that he is), she would definitely benefit from his protection. In a sense, Aeris and Cloud are like the dark brooding knight and the princess from them cute fairy tales. They NEED each other.
I can definitely group them in with perfect couples like Rinoa and Squall, Garnet and Zidane, and Yuna and Tidus. I can't picture Cloud and Tifa as a couple. Even though she does care a lot about Cloud, all I got out of those two after finishing FF7 was that they'd probably never be anything more than just friends. He never returned her feelings and affections (this doesn't include the scenes where the player can choose to be affectionate toward her). Most of Cloud's reactions to her half confessions of love were stuff like: "..."

I've noticed big atmospheric differences within the scenes where Cloud is talking to Aeris VS where he's talking to Tifa. Aeris and Cloud seem to communicate really well with each other. She's not afraid to ask him questions and her curiosity in him makes him feel more wanted.
Cloud seems to be a lot more cheerful, kind, and caring whenever she's around, and she WAS pretty much the reason why he started to lose his cold and indifferent personality in the first place.
Tifa, on the other hand, can't communicate well with Cloud. Usually when they're around each other, they never know what to say...makes them always appear like they're in awkward situations...or something. The only things they can talk normally about seem to be the past events of their childhood.
Because of this, Tifa and Cloud together have no chemistry whatsoever.

Let's put it this way...Tifa can kick butt physically, but mentally, she's a very weak character and that's not what Cloud needs. Cloud can already kick butt, so he doesn't need her. What he really needs is a mentally and emotionally strong and supportive character like Aeris. Sometimes the strength of a person's heart can take them a lot further than actual physical strength.

I think it's already been proven that Cloud loves Aeris and that they are the true couple of FF7 anyway (not Tifa and Cloud) because of games like Kingdom Hearts and FF Tactics. Who is Cloud constantly searching for? Aeris, of course. Show me a game where Cloud is searching for Tifa or where Cloud even mentions her adoringly and maybe I'll buy the "Cloud loves Tifa" And "Cloud and Tifa are the FF7 couple" views. Honestly, I think one of the biggest reasons why CloudxTifa fans feel the way they do is because personally, they like her better than Aeris so regardless of facts that point to how Cloud truly feels, they're going to "want" Cloud to like/be in love with Tifa. <_<

Just something I'm curious about...I've heard from a site...can't remember which that Cloud and Aeris' names have a connection of some sort. Does anyone know anything about this and would care to explain it?

Let's see.

Eris is the Greek goddess of Strife and oh so coincidentally Cloud's last name is Strife. ;D

'Aeris' in latin means air, atmosphere, weather, ether (xD Magic!) or clouds. :lol:

Reasons for me?
Huh...everyones pretty much said my reasons. Cloud just never opened up to Tifa as he did to Aeris. She's bright, cheerful, emotionally strong, while Cloud is stoic, moody and physically strong (but emotionally messed up). They're opposites that fit each other perfectly, like two pieces of a puzzle. :)

Oh...! :lol: *light switches on*

Makes perfect sense. Thanks, Materia Thief...

:D Hrmms...you know...that makes some sense too...

Never thought of Cloud and Aerith as a couple.

Cloud is cool. And I love Aerith's character.

After getting a shock treatment from seeing Aerith getting killed, I found out that two other hidden characters were in the game: Vincent and Yuffie.

My love for Yuffie was born on how she reacted on Aerith's death: she bawled like a baby...

So started the game again. And then found out that you can date Barret and Yuffie. Since I dated Aerith the first time around, did lots of crazy stuff to get their date versions.

And then lots of stuff, blahblahblah. Then I took a break from VII at the start of disk 3 and was playing Tactics, saw Aerith's cameo when getting Cloud, but didn't really took notice on it.

And then got the strength to finish the VII game because I was curious to see the ending. Though I am pissed Vincent and Yuffie aren't in it, I saw the dialogue...

"The Promised Land... I think I can meet her there."

That one line. That was the one thing that convinced me who Cloud prefers the most in the game. And then I got KH, which clinches it forever.

And that is my story on my CxA support origin. :)

I feel exactly the same way. I nearly started crying when I saw her reaction! :cry: That moment is still one of my favourite moments in all of FFVII, and I totally loved Yuffie for it. :huggle:

But anyway...C/A! Woohoo! :D

me too! even though ppl find yuffie annoying, which i guess she is sometimes, she does put alot of different emotions in the game eg love, hatred, ANGER! :mad: (lol alot of that!) and friendship. aeris and cloud i think were brought a little closer together because of it. :cleris: