We don't really know where the orphanage is yet. At first, Square said that Cloud was working in the orphanage alone. Later, Square said that Tifa was working with the orphans, and that Cloud was working as a courier while travelling from place to place on Fenrir.

Denzel and Marlene seem to be the only orphans at the Seventh Heaven. We haven't seen any evidence of other children living there. Square also said that Tifa was taking care of Marlene while Barret was mining for a new source of energy to replace Mako.

It appears that Loz abducts the children after fighting Tifa in the Church because Tifa tells Cloud that Loz took the children when she wakes up. So is the orphanage in the Church, or where is it? Has Cloud been living with the same orphans that Tifa's working with? How can he do that if he's travelling around on Fenrir?

The premiers are leaving out certain details, aren't they?

I remembered vaguely from a translated copy of the (montreal?) screening that there was a scene whereby a girl was talkng to denzel and persuading him to join the SHM. I presumed this girl is an orphan as well? Thus orphanage is near seventh heaven? So it could be the church! Well afterall theyre all in midgar rite ^_^

I don't think it's the church... When Tifa and Marlene go there and find Cloud's bandages, it's like they haven't been there in a long time and they say something along the lines of "So Cloud lives here?". My guess would be 7th Heaven or somewhere near it.

How many orphans does Kadaj take to the Forgotten City? I remember seeing about 20 children. We saw no evidence whatsoever of children other than Denzel and Marlene at the Seventh Heaven. Wouldn't there have been SOME evidence of that many other children? Is there enough room at the Seventh Heaven for some 20 children to live?

Square also said that Cloud was working alone at an orphanage. Then they said he was working as a courier and travelling around on Fenrir. Then they said that Tifa was working with orphans. Then they said that Cloud was living with orphans again, and the WCM said that as well. They continued saying that he was working as a courier, however. I remember that because I was wondering how he could be living with the orphans while travelling around on Fenrir. Meanwhile, we've seen neither Tifa nor Cloud working with the orphans and we haven't seen where the orphanage is. But Loz abducted the orphans after fighting Tifa at the Church, and a young boy came to the door of the Church after Loz fought Tifa in the Venice Film Festival.

Is Square just giving us mixed messages so we don't know exactly where this orphanage is or who's staying with them until the movie comes out?

bah...he can work as a courier as well as at the orphanage. Afterall, he needs money to support those hungry children ya? heehee

yep kadaj brought many children to the forgotten city. Were they all orphans?
Seems to me in seventh heaven, theres only marlene and denzel, as evident from the picture. I mean Tifa wouldn't be so mean as to exclude the other children right? haha..

When Marlene and Tifa were at the church, their convo made it seemed like they hadn't been there for a long time. BUt it was kinda impossible...I am sure they paid their respect to Aerith once in a while by visiting the church...<_<

So my latest guess would be, Cloud somehow is taking care of the children living near midgar. He does run a courier service with Tifa, to get money to support the kids. That's why they hardly see each other, communicate mostly via mobile. THen *drumrolls* a phonecall from Reno brought Cloud back to Midgar. But even as he returns to talk to Tifa, he doesn't stay in Seventh heaven, instead, he went to stay in the church ^_^ (a place that he hadn't enter for sometime, probably, because of the painful memories of Aerith :( )

Maybe the orphanage is a house next door to the Church...? :blink: Since I think it's clear that Cloud lives in the Church... so...

Hmmmm, Cloud works in THE orphanage, but Tifa just works with orphans. It doesn't say THE orphans, so maybe they're not the same kids. I suspect Tifa just takes care of Denzel and Marlene, and Cloud's got his own lil orphanage elsewhere. But where is certainly a good question. Obviously not Midgar. Kalm perhaps?

Maybe he takes care of the orphans in the church? Come on it's not a roofless church, there may be some play where Cloud would sleep no?

The flowers always looked really soft and comfy to me! I'd like to sleep in them

Well, remember the back rooms that Aerith led Cloud to when Reno came into the Church? There was part of a rocket visible there. Wouldn't there be enough room to set up beds for the children there?

Since Cloud's bandages are lying on a chest on the floor of the main part of the Church, he's apparently staying there. I wonder if Cloud's taking care of the flowers? Someone's been taking care of them, very obviously, and it doesn't seem that Tifa has been there for awhile.

Awww! wouldn't THAT be sweet? They probably won't explain that in AC, but I'm all for it!
Oh wait, ya know when you go back to Midgar you can see Aeris' ghost? There are two children there who appear to be tending to the flowers. Maybe they stuck around?

That's always possible... and a young boy comes to the door of the Church after Tifa's fight with Loz, according to the documentation from one of the Film Festivals. That may have been one of the orphans living in the Church, or it may have been one of the children tending the flowers when you see Aerith's ghost.

I'd still like to believe that it's Cloud, though. :rolleyes:

The Daeya.org review of the Montreal Film Festival mentioned that Cloud's bandages were lying on a chest on the floor. Hmmm... I wonder what's in the chest? :unsure:

As romantic as it would be I believe Cloud is not too familiar with gardening. :rolleyes:

I hate it when you get pieces of information like this, information that has been removed from context...removed from something larger that it is part of. Gyah! It's driving me mad! I just want to see the movie already. *sob* <_<

All these new screenshots are mind boggling and only create too many questions that can not be answered until we see the whole picture. We only have few pieces of the puzzle.

Ahh, all this thinking is giving me a headache, or maybe it's the wine. Whatever...I just want answers and not questions. ^_^

So would I, but maybe they grow there naturally... Or maybe a certain someone tends to them? Either Aeris, Cloud, orphan kids, or naturally. Tifa's the cook, she probably doesn't know the first thing about gardening...

You boozer!! lol, j/k. It seems like Square has this theme, for every question you want answered, we get to give you THREE MORE questions that are even more annoying!!

Well like my grandma likes to say (or at least I think she likes to say...) cooking and gardening are not that different. If you know how to cook you know how to take care of a garden and vice versa. I know, it doesn't really make that much sense. :rolleyes:

Yesshh! Square likes to annoy old drunkards like me. :lol:

If the little kids in Disk Two can figure it out, I'm sure Cloud could figure it out, too. :P

Bah, I had to struggle to learn how to cook... gardening was easy to learn. :rolleyes: At any rate, Tifa couldn't have been taking care of the flowers because she didn't even know that Cloud was living there.

Another thing the Film Festival didn't show is why Tifa and Marlene went to the Church. One of the Japanese magazines said something about Tifa and Marlene arranging to meet Cloud there, but in the Film Festival, it seemed like they sorta just wandered in. It's pretty obvious that the Film Festival left some holes in the plot.

EDIT: I was looking at the pictures available for download at Daeya.org again, and I noticed this one:

http://www.daeya.org/ff7ac_mtl/pics/se2p07.html

Look at the number of orphans. There's no way that many orphans were staying at the Seventh Heaven, so I don't see how the orphanage could be there. Children with Geostigma were seen on the streets outside the Seventh Heaven, but not as many as shown in this picture. The Church is possible - there would be room for that many children in the back of it - yet, there hasn't been any indication of it yet. The Healin' Lodge is another possibility, although it's been described as deserted and looks overgrown, which would mean that it's been deserted for awhile. It must be in a location that hasn't been revealed to us yet.

That is what I think, too. So far, the only children we have been shown at Seventh Heaven are Denzel and Marlene. I have no reason to believe that all the orphans on Gaia are living at Seventh Heaven. :rolleyes: That is a pretty ludicrous assumption. And yet, most CloTis are still insisting that every stinking orphan on the planet is living with their adopted parents, Cloud and Tifa, who are sooooo in love... *Barfs* How absurd... :rolleyes:

Honestly, I think it's become pretty obvious that Cloud has spent at least some time with Tifa and the orphans. From the script, doesn't Tifa say something like "Cloud doesn't live here anymore..." when the phone rings? I don't think they were in love and having babies of course, but I don't think Cloud was alone for two years either. More logically, I think his disease was what caused him to initially distance himself, and finally end up at Aeris' church. I'd like to think he's taking care of the flowers too. ^_^

I don't think of Cloud as a loner. I think he loved his friends, with or without Aeris, and wouldn't distance himself because she was gone. He didn't do that in FFVII, so I had a hard time believing he would do it in AC.

As for the mysterious orphanage and its whereabouts... maybe Tifa expanded the new Seventh Heaven? It did seem a little bigger. :)

We've discussed it pretty thoroughly, and I don't think that Cloud has been living with Tifa. It doesn't appear that the orphanage is in the Seventh Heaven, either. There's not enough room for that many children, in the first place. In the second place, some of the orphans are outside the Seventh Heaven on the street. Why would Denzel, who is every bit as sick as the ones on the street, be in bed while the children are in the street if the children are living there? Doesn't make sense.

Everything said in the film festivals that has been taken as indication that Cloud was living there can also be interpreted to mean that he just visited there for the afternoon, and then left. Tifa never said that Cloud had been living there. Plus, many interviews with Nomura and Kitase have specified that Cloud has been living alone for the last two years. I also think that Cloud is very much the loner type.

It can't be proven one way or another at this point, anyway. There's no proof that he was living at the Seventh Heaven, only with the orphans ~ and we've yet to learn where the orphans were/are living. Read our other threads on where Cloud has living, and I think you'll see why we've come to this conclusion. :rolleyes:

I didn't necessarily mean that Cloud's been living with Tifa, just that it's obvious he's spent some time with her and the orphans. Whether or not he was living there, or just visiting, I don't think he was keeping completely to himself during those two years. Too many things have popped up by now to tell us otherwise.

I have no idea about the orphanage. Maybe it used to be just a few children at Seventh Heaven, but too many became infected and neither Cloud nor Tifa could care for that many anymore. It's hard to tell from what we've been given.

Well, I do tend to see Cloud differently than a lot of people, so I won't get into that. B) I do agree that that there's little conclusive proof to say where exactly the orphans are at and where exactly Cloud was at or why. These are things we'll probably have to wait for to be explained, when AC comes out.

Well, the Cloti's have been arguing pretty ferociously that Cloud has actually been living with her. The official statements made by Square indicate that Cloud has been living alone and has been working alone with the orphans. Kitase made a statement that Tifa has only supported Cloud "from the shadows" (Kitase's exact words). Nomura said that Cloud returned to Midgar recently, probably when "the scene in the bar takes place". The scene in the bar is when Tifa answers the phone. So yes, Cloud and Tifa have been in touch, but from what Square has said in interviews - not much.

Personally, I'm just gonna wait til the movie comes out. I still little to no point in arguing
The "evidence" the CloTi's are using can be taken many different ways, as Aly's said, but we have THE CREATORS THEMSELVES saying that he's been alone. I'm gonna believe them unless the movie proves otherwise

Ye know, all of those interviews had the Cloti's pretty upset this past summer. I remember the Cloti's being all up in arms about Cloud dwelling on a dead girl when he could so easily be with Tifa, yadda, yadda. The Cloti's were screaming about it last summer at the AC.net forums.

Would Square cut scenes out of context for the premiers just to keep the Cloti's interested? :unsure:

*Cackles maniacally* You know, I would laugh myself to death if that were true. The CloTis are led on by tidbits and then the movie turns out to be a big ClAeris-fest. LOL!!! :lol: I highly doubt that the movie will turn out CloTi or ClAeris, but it is an amusing scenario. :rolleyes:

I KNOW THE TRUE, A FRIEND TOLD ME!!

CLOUD , AFTER DETEATING SEFIROT, CREATED AN ORFANAGE AND HE LIVED THERE WITH ORPHANS, THE ORFANAGA WAS NOT IN MIDGAR.

TIFA WAS IN HER SEVEN HEVEN, SHE DIDNT HAVE AN ORFANAGE, SHE LIVED ONLY WITH MARLENE AND DENZEL ( thats why we can see children with her )

AND THEN, 2 YEARS LATER, CLOUD RETURNED TO MIDGAR MAYBY TO TELL TIFA TO TAKE CARE OF THE ORFANAGE BECAUSE HE GOES TO THE CHRUCH, SINCE HE IS ILL ( maybe he is ill because of the children he has been living with)


what do you think??

we win, cloris!! :P

That's the most popular theory. It's really all that makes sense. It goes along with what we've heard in the interviews, and makes sense with the previews

That does make sence, sort of :unsure: .

Yes, that does make sense and it doesn't contradict what the interviews or trailers have been saying.

What if the children are the children of SOLDIERs? It's wierd how Geostigma is only affecting a certain population of children. Marlene doesn't have it, and the number of children kidnapped by the SHM can't be all the children of Midgar. It only seems to be affecting the orphans. What if the orphans are the children of SOLDIERs and inherited the Jenova cells?

That would explain why Cloud wants to take care of the orphans, and it would explain why he has been living with them. (The children are suffering because of the introduction of Jenova cells into their bodies against their will, and Cloud was subjected to the same thing during Hojo's experimentation.) It would also explain why Geostigma is only affecting this certain group of children. It would also explain why not all children have it. It would also explain what happened to the fathers of these children - the only thing it doesn't explain is what happened to the mothers, which may be explained in the movie.

yes, its true...maibt they are the childrens of soldiers...anotehr thing, we know that cloud is ill, mayby because the childrens he lived with...and i really think Tifa lived only with marlene and denzel ( why denzel,?) and cloud on his own with the orfans,..thats why the man whi we think its rufus, asked him:

i heard that you have [COLOR=green]been living with orphans,,,

if he has lived with tifa he would have say this??

and..the most important thing we are forgetin...

wo has told tifa lived in a orphan?? its the seven heven we have see in the trailers, we see her dishing....we see its a small house...

i hope thats right!!! cloti, what they are going to say now, e?? :D