One hint given to us by Square about CloudxAerith is a commercial made when FFVII was first released. You can see the script of the commercial, screenshots, and a place to download it here:

FFVII commercial

One scene in the commercial shows Cloud lowering Aerith into the water at her funeral with a caption of Love over their heads. As you see that scene, the voiceover says that FFVII is "a story of a love that could never be".



The Cloti's like to argue that "a love that could never be" means that it's a love that will never happen. Ask any English teacher what "a love that could never be" means. It really means that two people who love one another have been separated from one another by circumstances in their lives. Two experts at http://www.allexperts.com have verified that meaning for us. You can find what the experts told us about "a love that could never be" at http://www.allexperts.com/answerv.asp?QuestionID=3491678 and at http://www.allexperts.com/answerv.asp?QuestionID=3488503.

The Cloti's also like to argue that Square didn't make this commercial, so it's unofficial. That's ridiculous. No matter what company made the commercial for Square, that company was hired to make the commercial by Square. Square would have to give that company information about the game and approve whatever was said in the commercial. Besides, the commercial is made up of FMV's from the game, which would imply that Visual Works is the company who made the commercial. Visual Works is the company that did the FMV's for Final Fantasy VII, and Visual Works is also the company working with Square on the production of AC.

I brought that up in the love triangle and they said exactly what you said..PULEASE. it's just another hint that they LOVED each other.

"a story of love that could never be" that means that, that story could never be in the game, but CAN BE in the movie :D

I've always loved that commercial. :lol:

The CloTis can say what they want. The first impression that scene gave me was that Cloud and Aerith loved each other and it was going to be a tragic story. I can't stand how other people look for stupid reasons to twist things in their own view. <_<

So have I :).

And the imbd site summary (tagline) of FVII is:

The story of a love that can never be, and a hate that always was.

We should compile a list of FFVII where it says: "A love that could never be"...Or someone should go ask Tetsuya Nomura if that commercial was made by Square. That CloTi fans couldn't argue against Tetsuya Nomura's words!

I've tried to find out what company made the commercial, and no one seems to know... unfortunately. Come to think of it... I wonder if RPGamer would know? They have quite a bit of information about the original release of FFVII, as well as other commercials that were made for the release. By the way, that's not the only FFVII commercial that had that same scene and line about "a love that could never be" in it.

Wow, thanks for the link to that site, PinkRibbon! :D That is very interesting!

Did you guys see this on that site: He stated that "[T]he world was expecting us to bring her back to life, as this is the classic convention. But we did not. We had decided this from the beginning." Aeris's death was intended, in part, to be a response to the dramatic cliché of the "meaningful death", which Nomura considered unrealistic. "He" is referring to Nomura. First they refer to Aerith's death as "cliche'", then they say that Nomura considered meaningful deaths unrealistic. WTF are they talking about??? :blink:

I think what they're saying is that Nomura felt that "meaningful deaths" had been portrayed in a dramatic and unrealistic way BEFORE Final Fantasy VII, and that part of the unrealistic cliche was that the one who was killed was always brought back to life. He felt that was unrealistic, so he didn't want to bring her back. Instead, he felt that it would be more realistic to portray the reactions of Cloud's party to her death, as well as the consequences of her death to Cloud's party, Aerith's friends and mother, and in particular to the man who loved her: Cloud.

Okay, that makes sense, Anastar. The way they said it on that site was confusing... :blink: I guess Nomura wanted to get away from the "fairy tale", "cliche'" endings of some games by killing off the hero's love interest.

It'd be rather cliche for the one who lost his love to move on after a couple of years, too... wouldn't you say? Since they're trying to avoid cliche, why would they go with such a cliche story line in AC? :lol:

Meh. Some Clotis are ridiculous like that. They'd twist everything to fit their preferences. Reading cloti's arguments for pro-cloti evidences in those love triangle discussions is like reading pre-school kids arguing that an orange is pink in colour.

And you know what else would be cliche'? The hero ending up with his "childhood friend". :rolleyes: So, I guess the whole idea of CloTi is scrapped, eh? :lol:

They seem pretty destined to have a cliched ending regardless. :lol: Unless they completely take us by surprise with an absolutely horrible ending. :rolleyes:

The only horrible ending for me would be Cloud ending up with Tifa. :lol:

Well, if you look at it in terms of coming up with an ending that isn't cliche, there's far more un-cliche possibilities for Cloud to end up with Aerith than for Cloud to end up with Tifa.

Having Cloud die, then get lost in the Lifestream while trying to find the Promised Land could be interesting, especially if he met up with Sephy's spirit and/or Hojo's spirit while trying to find her. That's just one example of something differentl they could work with. I just see more possibilities for unusual endings by having him meet Aerith somehow than being victorious and winding up with Tifa at the end.

Yeah, I totally agree. Where in any other story(besides Romeo and Juliet)has the hero allowed himself to die to be reunited with his true love? As Aly said, there is SO much un-cliche' stuff that SE could do with Cloud and Aeris. All that they could do with CloTi is have him win the last battle and go on through life with her. VERY cliche'

Heheh. Yeah, I'd have to agree with Anastar that a horrible ending could be a CloudxTifa ending.

Anyway, what CloudxAerith fan wouldn't love this commercial?! ;) I do love this... and the first time I watched it (some months ago), I just kept on watching it again and again. ^_^

Heehee.

Hmmm. I just looked at screenshots from the JP FFVII commercial. They show shots of Cloud's polygon rendering, and then after that, show two shots of Aeris' render. No Tifa.

Where are the screenies, Sefie?

So they show the whole commercial, or just a few screens from it? We don't know that there's no Tifa in the commercial without seeing the whole thing... but that IS interesting! Do you have a link to that?

*cursing my lack of a URL bar* At the FF Shrine(link's in the thread "Very Interesting"). If you go to the FFVII section there's screens from all the commercials. The screens go pretty much moment to moment, so there'd be a pic of Tifa if she were in it. But there isn't, so I'm gonna asume she wasn't.
BTW, in the pics Aeris' hair is much lighter, almost a blonde!

I never saw that commerical. But I think that in the game after Aeris dies, Tifa thought that Cloud would move on and forget about her.

@Anastar
Do you think that Aeris knew about Cloud's true past and wanted him to see it for himself, or she intend for Tifa to help him? Because that's the only thing I'm bothered by, I can't help but think that Aeris wanted Cloud to find out by himself.

I finally found the link for the commercial screenshots!
See, no Tifa.

Good find, Sefie! ^_^ I didn't even know about this other commercial. Oh, and I found these pics of Aerith. One is the original artist's rendering, and the other is the final version...

i had never seen that commercial :( well i guess living in new zealand a country that *aint big in games relationship* you cant expect more ,but looking at the pictures and reading your fellows arguments made me think more about Cloud an Aeris relationship, and the phrase "a love that could never be" *sum thin like that* just got me thinking that square has sumthin big planned for advent children and i hope its the end off the love triangle *knowing we are all hoping for it* and even hoping for Aeris resurection,*and i know thats sumthin we definetly want 2 happen not only in his dream* sumthin good is going 2 happen and im thinkin sumthin we never even thought about......... :)


*dont yous think so*

(cloti fans definetly need to upgrade the english abilities) :lol:

There was a commercial i wonder why i didnt see it!
probably annoying and spamming cloti guest books!!!!!!!!!!! and forums!!!!!!!!!! :lol:

*i guess stuff all cloti's and support the commercial!*

Dont worry miracle i understand wat your going through........................

You guys can see the commercial in its full glory in this site. It's slightly differrent though. I think it's the shortened version.

The Story Of Love and Hate

:lol: Enjoy....

From everything I've heard, I have hence decided that if I catch any Cloti fan using Itadaki Street Special as evidence of Cloud x Tifa, or those pamphlets distributed at the Montreal film festival, or god forbid, EHRGEIZ, and they hold to the opinion that this commercial is a bunch of false baloney, I will promptly shove my foot up their ass. I'm sorry, but you would have to be either extremely, unwaveringly biased, or dumb as a ROCK not to get that this commercial has official delegation. Why didn't the word "love" appear above Cloud x Tifa? They wouldn't have given away the Aeris death spoiler after all! And after all, APPARANTLY after Aeris dies, the official couple is Cloud x Tifa, right? They're more canon than Cloud x Aeris right? So the word "love" should appear above them... right? If you take the "x" away from "Cloud x Tifa" and replace it with "doesn't love" you'll get your answer.

EXACTLY. It's soooo frustrating when they decide the game's COMMERCIALS, packaging, toys, sound tracks, etc etc ETC don't count!

LMAO!!!! :lol: Something vexes thee? :rolleyes: I understand, Velvy. CloTis can be VERY frustrating. Most of their evidence is double-edged and they contradict themselves at every turn. <_< What is sad is that they are STILL using that retarded ticket with the picture of Cloud and Tifa on it as evidence. You know what I do when they start using that? I turn it around on them. If they are going to use ONE image of Cloud with Tifa as proof, then I sure can produce a LOT more images of Cloud with Aerith that have been used by Square over the years...

* The game case for FFVII: On the cover, we see Cloud, gazing up at the Shinra building in Midgar. Directly inside the cover, we see Aerith, gazing up at the airship. So these images are, in essence, back-to-back. Do we see Tifa ANYWHERE??? NO.

* The game booklet for FFVII: On the first of the Character pages, we see Cloud and Aerith ALONE. You have to turn the page to even see Tifa.

* The booklet in the FFVII Original Soundtrack: On the cover, we see Cloud and Aerith in a piece of Amano's artwork. Is Tifa anywhere to be seen? NO.

* The Final Fantasy Generation S Soundtrack: A CD with music from FFVII, FFVIII, and FFIX. They could have chosen ANYONE from these three games to appear on the cover. And, yet, they chose Cloud and Aerith.

* The Coca-Cola figurines: Cloud and Aerith appear on the package, along with Squall and Rinoa. Gee, they put Cloud and Aerith on there with a CANON couple... Hmm... :rolleyes:

I would also like to mention that tickets to another of the film festivals showed Tifa, too... ALONE.

And, as for Itadaki Street, they can hardly use that as evidence. Cloud may be standing with Tifa in some of the images, but he was shown walking with Aerith in the trailers, more than once. Tifa was shown alone. Also, they are using Aerith's Theme in IS, NOT Tifa's Theme. :D

Where Erhgeiz is concerned... LOL!!!! :lol: Cloud and Tifa beating the hell out of each other... SO beautiful... *Sniff* Only desperate or stupid CloTis use that for evidence.

LOL!!!! :lol: You hit the nail right on the head, Velvy...

BTW, do you guys have any more info on OTHER things that Cloud and Aerith appeared on besides what I have listed? I want to add it to my love triangle page. ^_^

clotis are frustating..theyre umm i gess truth intolerant hehehe lol nice ad btw

I know someone who was looking through some tapes from years ago and found that commercial on their tape. I think it hints that Cloud and Aeris are the FFVII main couple. In commercials for most FFs you'd see the main couple together.

hey thanx shrouded lite i saw it, it aiight!! and thanx again! :D

no offence it aint all that special but special enuf to piss of the clotis :D
i like it a bit doe :)

I was searching through youtube and found this. EVEN THE COMMERCIALS ARE CLERITH! IT'S PROOF I SAY, PROOF!

COMMERCIAL PROOF!

This post was elsewhere, but I merged your thread with this one, darkmoonlitdreamer.

~HD

That advert was so annoying... it completely spoiled the fact that Aerith would die. It was a big shock for me - I just saw Aerith and Cloud together in the altar and was like 'aww' and then suddenly, a sword blade appears through her chest. D;

I went from '^^' to 'O___O;;;' to 'DDD=' in the space of five seconds. xD

hey, everybody! :D hahaha :))

anyway, this dude: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sfre5lmcAew
says that the commercial was the official release in UK. :cleris:

it's posted somewhere in his comments... :D

oh yeah! :woot:
haha :P

Thanks for the link, dude! :D

about that commercial they SPOIL for everyone who haven't play ff7 That Aerith Dead. When i known that Aerith had die i almost didn't want to play anymore.

Well, I didn't think that scene necessarily showed that Aerith died. All it showed was Cloud holding Aerith above the water with the word "Love" above them. For all the audience knows, she is under a spell or something. Now, if they had shown Sephiroth impaling her... yeah, that would have spoiled it. :P

Indeed.

I don't think that spoils anything.

In most videogames, the main heroine needs to be rescued from something or other at some point. Most people'd probably just assume she was having some sort of magical trouble (it's a final fantasy game, after all) and that Cloud had to fix it before the adventure was continued.

People dying for real in a videogame was almost unheard of. Unless you count FFIV, where everyone dies, but everyone except Tellah came back.

yea i think that right.