cloud and aeris are a cute couple
i just wonder if he's going to see her again :) (:

I hope he sees her face. but he already felt Aerith's hand XD

I really hope that Cloud meets Aerith in AC, too! They make such a wonderful couple. I really hope that Square conclusively shows that Cloud loves Aerith in AC. Most of all, I'd love to see them kiss in AC!

This is an article from Destiny Fulfilled: Cloud and Aerith's Love about why Cloud and Aerith make such a great couple:

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During the Lifestream Event, we learn quite a bit about Cloud’s past as a child growing up in Nibelheim. Cloud was basically a loner. He had always wanted to play with Tifa’s group of friends, but they never allowed him into the group. So he tagged along, always hoping to be noticed by them. At the same time, he had a crush on Tifa and always used to look up at her window from outside. On the day Tifa’s mother died, Cloud followed them into the mountains to look for her mother’s spirit. A bridge gave way under Tifa’s feet with Cloud following a few feet behind, and they went crashing down the mountain. Tifa was in a coma for seven days afterwards, and Cloud got blamed for the incident. He was even told that she may die, which must have made him feel incredibly guilty.

From this information in the Lifestream Event, we learn that Cloud was a lonesome young man who felt rejected, neglected, and ashamed of himself. He says several times that he “wanted to be noticed”. He blamed his weakness for the accident at the bridge and wanted to become strong so that he would be noticed. So Cloud decided to join SOLDIER in order to become like the “Great Sephiroth”… but he failed there, too.

Then Aerith walks into Cloud’s life. Here is a lovely young lady asking to go out with him, and asking him to be her bodyguard. Think of how flattering this must have been for Cloud, who had always felt like such a failure. Cloud had always wanted to be noticed, and suddenly there is a lovely young woman showering attention on him. She considers Cloud to be her bodyguard, almost like her hero, which is something Cloud has always wanted to be.

Cloud successfully rescues Aerith from the Turks as well as from Hojo’s lab in the Shinra building, and Aerith admires him for it. For the first time in his life, as far as he remembers, Cloud has been a success instead of a failure. Aerith says in the Shinra building that she knew Cloud would come to rescue her, which is essentially saying that she thinks of Cloud as her hero. Aerith looks up to him and suggests that he should be the leader of the group as they leave Midgar. Think of how many times Cloud had wished for that kind of attention while feeling lonesome, rejected, and scorned as a child in Nibelheim, hoping that someone would notice him.

Cloud learns what it’s like to be someone’s hero with Aerith, and he is admired for the first time in his life with her. Aerith showers attention on him as she asks him about his rank in SOLDIER, asks whether he has a girlfriend, asks about the visit with his mother in Nibelheim, asks whether he likes girls with a tan in Costa del Sol, and asks him to take her for a ride on the Highwind some day, along with many other things. Cloud learns from Marlene that Aerith has been asking all about him, which would also make him feel noticed and admired. Aerith even makes him laugh and smile early in the game as they are heading back to Elmyra’s house from the church, which is the only time Cloud does this in the entire game.

For the first time in his life, Cloud finds happiness… and he finds it with Aerith.
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I think the beauty of Aeris for Cloud was just that here was finally someone that wanted him. Not some hero in the papers not some fine young gentleman with an older woman but just Cloud. Just the person that Cloud was and the facades and dreams of others.

Cloud never had that before even from his own family.

Yep! Besides..he only laughed with her in the game..sniff..and cried for her in her death..BWAAAAAAAH!

My heart bled when I watched the burial scene. Even Tifa, good friend that she is to Cloud, couldn't make him smile afterwards... See how he had loved Aerith so much?

I loved Cloud/Aerith more when I learned in AC that he really, really misses her and would go to any means to meet her again... like, by letting himself die of Geostigma.

Aw, these two are just too precious together. I think I'll go cry in a corner now.

Aeris awoke so many emotions deep within Cloud. Could Tifa ever get him to dress like a girl? I don't think so, he'd probably call her crazy and find another way into don corneo's room. Also during the date scene, would he ever agree to be in a play with Tifa? I don't think so. Cloud does something very out of character here, he twirls off the stage with everyone else. That had to mean he was having a good time with Aeris.
This brings about why his grief is so overwhelming for him. Before Aeris, he was a mercenary who didn't care about anyone or anything except collecting his money and going onto the next job. Who never made it to SOLDIER. When he meets Aeris, he completely changes. Here's the first girl that treated him the way he should, and who really liked him, and he liked in return. Then, in the blink of an eye, she was taken away from him, and his world was once again cast into darkness. In his reality, what does he have to live for if she's gone?

I completely agree with the point you made in your post... but when Cloud goes out on a date with Tifa, Cloud behaves the exact same way with Tifa during the Play scene as he does with Aerith.

Yes, I've had Cloud go on the Date with Tifa... and I hated it!!! :lol: I didn't want to, but I played the game from a Cloti standpoint just to see the game from their point of view and to find out whether they had any real evidence or not. My conclusion: they don't have a single solitary piece of conclusive evidence. :rolleyes:

Back to the topic: The translators at www.adventchildren.net who have played the Japanese game tell me that Cloud speaks in a very rough, crude, and impersonal manner throughout the entire game to everybody, except in one scene.... and that's in the Death Scene. They told me that when Aerith dies, it's the one time in the game that Cloud speaks of her very softly and personally, almost as if he wants to be alone with her. They tell me that Cloud's words, "What about US? What are WE supposed to do?" are very personal, and have only one meaning: that US and WE refer to Cloud and Aerith.

theres something thats kind the buging me lately about what aeris said to cloud
Aerith: ''Question! why have you come here?''
Cloud: ''...I think that I want to be forgiven. Yes, I want to be forgiven.''
Aerith: ''Forgiven? By whom? you know, I never blamed you for anything.''
Cloud: ''But I let you die...''
Aerith: ''You have to learn to forgive yourself.''
Aerith: ''But since you're here, I think you're one step closer to that!''
i wonder if cloud understood her?

I think he did understand her, but Cloud would still continue to question himself. He couldn't save the one he loved so it would be hard for him to just drop it.

I wonder if they were boyfriend and girlfriend, but we didn't know!

*Listens to Aerith's Theme* :( This music makes me so sad! And yet, it is so beautiful! :wub:

LOL!!! :lol: I have TRIED to get Tifa on a date and I always get Aerith no matter what. I think I must be subconsciously doing something wrong. :lol: How does the date with Tifa go?

Also, I don't like the way Aerith says, "Question! Why did you come here anyways?" It sounds rather cold, don't you think? :unsure:

I studied the Date Mechanism mathematics at Gamefaqs to get Tifa. :lol: There's a FAQ there on how many points of affection you get for each possible response to the different Date candidates.

There used to be a script at Gamefaqs with the Tifa date scene, but they changed it to the Date scene with Aerith. So this is all from memory after playing it about two years ago.

The Date with Tifa is the same as Aerith's until the Gondola ride. Tifa says something different from Aerith when she picks him up at the Ghost Hotel, but it's just something like, "Why don't we go spend time in the park?" The Play scene is exactly like the Play scene with Aerith. When they get to the Gondola ride, Tifa says a few unimportant things while Cloud stares at her, stuff like, "What a pretty view. Look, Cloud". Then they look out the window of the Gondola. Then Tifa says something like, "Cloud... I... I..." and he says, "Hmmm?" She says that it's hard to say, since they were childhood sweethearts (which is a very strange thing for her to say when the Lifestream sequence conclusively shows that they hardly knew one another as children... even when you've gone on the Date with Tifa.) Then she repeats, "I... I... I..." and Cloud says something like, "What are you trying to say?" She starts saying, "I... I..." again, and then fireworks start going off in the background and the scene fades out to the two of them getting off the gondola. Cloud asks her if she remembered what she wanted to say. Tifa says something like, "Oh, nevermind." And that's the end of it.

That's the supposedly romantic date that Tifa and Cloud have! :lol: The Cloti's say it's romantic because they think Tifa's trying to say, "I love you" to Cloud. But all he does is sit there and stare and her, asking what she's trying to say. I think that wierd statement of Tifa's that they used to be childhood sweethearts is what makes the Cloti's think that Cloud and Tifa were close as children.

Well, the Montreal Film Festival report at Daeya.org doesn't show the conversation to be that way. They have several screenshots of the flower field scene, and those screenshots show the actual subtitles used in the movie. They show the conversation as this:

Aerith: "You came."
Aerith: "Even though you're about to break... That's a good sign."
http://www.daeya.org/ff7ac_mtl/p2-02.php
Then she puts her hand on the exact spot where Cloud was holding his arm due to the pain of Geostigma earlier.
Aerith: "Question. Why did you come?"
Cloud: "Forgiveness... I think. Yeah. I want to be forgiven."
http://www.daeya.org/ff7ac_mtl/p2-04.php
Aerith smiles and giggles.
Aerith: "By whom?"

By their account, in the Seventh Heaven, Tifa only says, "He's not here" instead of "He's not here anymore".

Those are pretty significant changes from the other translations we've seen, but Daeya.org has quite a bit of the dialogue documented with pictures showing the actual subtitles that were most likely approved by Square for the Premier. The rest of this review can be found at: http://www.daeya.org/ff7ac_mtl/report_p1.php

I would say that when CLoud says he wants forgiveness he is not talking about Aeris. He knows she forgives him and hell she says it.

Rather CLoud needs to be able to forgive himself as Aeris sees. He was not strong enough to protect the one he loves from harm and death and it only shows to him that he is still a weak and poor individual. For Cloud to be happy again he needs to find that forgiveness and it may only be found in death.

Yeah, the Montreal version seemed to be ALOT more Cleris friendly. And I believe them alot more because of the subtitles. Maybe the folks at the Venice one didn't have as good a memory. Or maybe a translation issue with the reporters?

Ya know, the Tifa date is really....one sided. Cloud just sits silently, while she does all the talking. Not really very romantic. Even if she WAS tryign to say "I love you" what does it matter? Cloud didn't say it did he? As for the childhood sweethearts stuff, just another translation issue?

Ya know, I think my favorite facet(you know you've been playing too much FF when you capatalize all the F's you type, oiy)of their relationship is how happy she makes him. I mean, when he laughs, what she said wasn't exactly hilarious. It was just silly, and because they both laughed it shows that they were already close, already on the same page. So, either she just made him happy when he was around her, or they were already getting close. Either way I like!

Cloud and Tifa were never childhood friends, I'd like to point that out and emphasize it. ^_^ heehee.

And as Sefie had mentioned... the TifaxCloud date was really very one-sided. I'd have to agree...
Tifa's just simply selfish, I guess....
I don't even wanna see the CloudxTifa date thing in the game... so I always make it a point to have Aerith as his date... or for fun, I try Yuffie and even Barret. :P

^_^

But anyway, when Aerith in AC said "Let's go, Cloud..." in one sequence (I'm not sure if it's a flashback)... does that mean something? Like maybe she'll take him with her already? For instance, he'll die? :blink:

It is interesting that she didn't say, "Hey, Cloud, let's go on a date". Aerith did. Why didn't Tifa? :rolleyes:

It could be a flashback. However, Aerith could also be with Cloud in spirit and is willing to go with him into the fray. :wub: Or, he could be dying...

Maybe Tifa has convinced herself that they were indeed childhood sweethearts, even though we see in the Lifestream sequence that they weren't close at all and hardly knew each other. Perhaps she feels guilty that she can't tell him the truth, so she eventually convinces herself otherwise. That might be why she says that on the date.

I don't think that line from Aerith (Question! Why have you come here?) sounds particularly cold, I think it's in character for her. She sounds as upbeat as usual, and we know she sometimes speaks without thinking, so she probably didn't mean it to sound cold at all.

Ya know, that's what I was just thinking about last night. Why was Tifa under the impression that they were childhood friends? She did the same as Cloud, she pretended until she believed it.

And I agree about Aeris' line. It didn't sound cold at all. I don't think that it was terribly friendly, but it did get her point across.

Hmm... which brings out her selfishness, I guess. It sickens me...
It's like she's also been blinded by a false fantasy.
Or maybe the fact that she's "in-love" with Cloud could just be another one of her fantasies due to some guilt because she has once rejected him (in a way or two) from childhood...
Never mind; this isn't a Tifa forum anyway. ^_^

And Aerith's statement... hmm... it actually sounds probing. As if she wants him to tell her something more. It could be a way of learning more things about him; like she wants him to warm up to her again by telling her everything he's thinking of. It's like a matter of trust, I guess. :wub:

I don't think Tifa's ncessarily selfish...I think it's the fact that she felt guilty the way she and friends treated Cloud during their childhood...When did Tifa's crush on Cloud start anyway?

Tifa made a sacrifice at the end of the FMV that shows that--because you see that she finally realizes that Cloud and Aerith are meant to be *grins insanely*--she accepts the fact that Cloud will only like her as a friend, and since she wants him to happy because she loves him, it's quite a sacrifice of her own. Even if she loves him, she'll accept that Cloud loves Aerith and as a friend, she accepts it--and being the cheerful one, I imagine she'll try her best to be happy about it.

Of all the games I ever played, I think Cloud and Aerith make the sweetest couple I've ever known. I even shed tears during the scene where Sephiroth stabbed her and when she was buried. I hope in Advent Children they'll bring her back. Was really glad to see her again in Kingdom Hearts. :D

Talking about Tifa, I think it was when Cloud called her to the Water Tower when they were younger in Nibelheim was when he realized him and started liking him. But other than that I'm not really sure as I'm not a big fan of her. I don't hate her by the way.

Ai... All work and no play till my mind has gone topsy turvy.

Luckily the term is ending and Hari Raya (something like Christmas but for Muslims) is coming :lol: but there's exams afterwards *yikes* :( .

Well, IMO, Tifa's feelings for Cloud grew when he left Nibelheim. I mean, think about it. When, he called her out to the well, she wasn't sure what to think. They weren't friends, weren't close at all. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if she only went because she felt guilty about Cloud getting blamed for her falling off Mt. Nibelheim. :rolleyes: Tifa didn't seem interested in Cloud personally until he mentioned leaving to join SOLDIER and told her that he was going to be as powerful and famous as Sephiroth. Then, she suddenly begged him to promise her he would come rescue her one day. Why? Because she wanted to fulfill a fantasy of hers that involved being rescued by someone as powerful and famous as Sephiroth. And so, the promise was pretty selfish on her part, but Tifa was very selfish as a child (this all changed when she grew up, as PinkRibbon pointed out).

Anyways, while Cloud was gone, what did Tifa do? She was all alone, all of the boys in town had left. She told Cloud she thought of him a lot and checked the papers often to see if she could find anything about him. She truly believed Cloud would become powerful and famous and would, one day, be her hero. In fact, I would say it is safe to assume that Tifa daydreamed of the day when her "hero" would return and fulfill the promise. She had an image of Cloud in her mind that turned out to be completely false. She made him out to be her ideal hero, something that he just wasn't. And the CloTis claim that Aerith never knew the "real" Cloud... Pffffttt... :rolleyes:

About Tifa selfish thing, FF_Goddess, good points. Thanks to people who answered my question--you can find me having memory losses at times; my own family sometimes called me Dory from "Finding Nemo"--bet you can guess why, lol :P

Some of the CloTIs arguments don't make sense usually...

Most of them don't

Anyways, yes, VERY good points FF_Godess, and I think that they're all 100% true!

And Pink Ribbon, what you said about the ending is one reason I like Tifa so much. She's so sacrificing and sweet. it's hard to do something like that, to just accept that the guy you want loves another, and to let him have her simply because you love him that much. " If you love them let them go..."
Or cripple 'im so he can't get away!

Cloud and Aeris are a great couple! :D They were just meant for eachother. I really don't think that Cloud ever liked Tifa as more than just a friend. It was Aeris who he fell in love with. Also I just can't see Cloud and Tifa together. They just wern't meant for eachother the way Cloud and Aeris were. :)

Cloud and Tifa were both closed off, quiet people. They'd never know how the other felt!
Tifa: (gee...I wonder if cloud wants eggs for breakfast...)
Cloud: (Gee...I want eggs for breakfast.....)

Plus they're both such unhappy tragic characters. They both need a lighter, happier person in their lives.

I find Tifa to be a very depandant person. Which is why I can't see her with Cloud. He needs someone indepandant and free because he isn't the type of guy to gave a girl hanging off of him for her every need. Aeris is just perfect for him. I really just hope that Square won't mix it up and make Aeris tell Cloud to go be happy with Tifa. I would cry...

Ya know, I'm starting to worry about all the CloTi friendly stuff Square's putting out. Why're they DOING that? Trying to make CloTi's feel better? Giving them more ammunition so the debates will continue? SE STOP THAT!!!!! Just fueling the fight ISN'T gonna make it ANYMORE popular! It just frustrates people and turns the fans against each other! It's just plain EVIL.

Yes, they are giving the Cloti's fuel to feed on, and it's making me unhappy, too. They've got nothing definite whatsoever, and there are lots of Cleris indications, too. However, I never expected SE to give the Cloti's as much as they are giving them.

I have to wonder if it's because Sakaguchi is no longer with Square. It's not like Square to put out two wallpapers of Cloud and Tifa in Itadaki Street. They've always shown Cloud and Aerith together, not Cloud and Tifa. What is Square doing?

Relax..it was just once compared to all the evidence we all have :)

I kind of worried about that too. I doubt Square would change something so important, but if they've come out with Aerith, they should have put up a WP of them too... Why did Sakaguchi leave, anyway?

I think they just don't want AC spoiled for once. FFVII was spoiled for so many people. Aerith's part in the movie is very secretive right now. So they might as well give Cloud's "best friend" some air time for the fans.

And I think Itadaki Street Special is for the fans as well. Cloud for the girls and Tifa for the guys. It's all marketing really. So until we see what the plot actually has for both AC and ISS, I say shrug it off.

Sakaguchi was asked to leave after the failure of Spirits Within. He's starting his own company now. I'm just really sad that he hasn't contributed to AC in any way... at least, not that we know of. As part of the original team, he should be there.

True... but they've given her way too much air time, IMO. They haven't even put Aerith up on the AC website yet. I keep hoping that maybe they're giving Tifa fans a lot now because Cloti and Tifa fans will have a big disappointment when the movie's acually released. :lol:

Lol, that's kinda sad, but that movie really stunk.

I hope CloTi fans are in for a big dissapointment! That's kinda what I'm thinking also.

I agree that all the Cloud/Tifa-ness that Square is putting out (such as that Itadaki thingy you're all talking about) is for Square's own good.

CloTi or CleRis, all these people are going to give S-E a lot of moolah. They can't turn off one of both sides because they're all potential buyers.

Even though they're showing all these strong hints about Cloud/Aerith... they aren't explicitly stating anything. They aren't explicitly saying anything about Tifa and Cloud, either... and so the fans are confused, arguing which is true or not... and will be fighting for copies of their games and DVDs during release day~ They're very good at marketing... that they are.

Exactly. Square is rather secretive and it's hard to tell when they're hinting at something or not. This, I think is because nowadays, they like to leave a lot of things up to fan interpretation. Leaving it up to fan interpretation makes me sort of frustrated (e.g. The Love Triangle in FFVII), because there is no 'Yes, Aerith is Cloud's true love'--I wish Tetsuya Nomura would say that in an interview for once!--and CloTi's and others aren't convinced unless it comes straight out of Square's mouth. But Square doesn't try to, party due to marketing/money, I think.

I haven't watched Spirits Within, what is that movie about?

I'm starting to think that they won't make Cloud choose at all in the movie. Either that or they will make muliple endings. Because I think they are gonna try to please everyone with this movie. I am gonna prepare for more confusion after it's released just in case. :blink:

But if Cloud goes all out and says he loves Aerith, I will die happy.

That's how I see it, too, Cloud's Girl. How can they make either side unhappy? Both Cleris and Cloti have a large fanbase. Regardless of who Cloud ends up with, one side is going to be very unhappy. Nomura already said that the AC Team decided to stop before contradicting the views of many fans. It's not in Square's best interests to pair Cloud up with anyone, or they're going to make a lot of potential buyers very unhappy.

The only way I can see them pairing Cloud up with Aerith is for Cloud to die so that he's no longer available to Tifa. If they throw some Cloti hints in the movie that Tifa and Cloud would have ended up together if only he hadn't died, that's the only way I could see them pairing Cloud up with Aerith for good. If Cloud is still alive at the end of the movie, they have to leave the Love Triangle inconclusive or they'll be losing a lot of potential buyers. Cleris people will be unhappy if Cloud ends up with Tifa, Cloti fans will be unhappy if Cloud ends up with Aerith. What's Square gonna do? :unsure:

I'll die happy if Cloud admits his love for Aerith, too. Better yet... give me a CloudxAerith kiss! :D

Exactly what I mean about marketing reasons. Or else they want sell and their fans will be unhappy, etc. Meh. If it isn't too much, how 'bout a deleted scene where Cloud and Aerith kiss when the AC dvd comes about if it's not going to be in the movie? *looks hopeful*