I was checking the japanese websites for Final Fantasy VII, VIII and IX, and I noticed that in the VIII and IX website Squall and Rinoa, Zidane and Garnet were always next to each other in the characters page, it is the same in the VII page where Aerith is next to Cloud and Tifa is not even close!

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/games/ps/ff7/

That is very interesting, Aerith.

Aerith's also on the main page of the NA FFVII website with Cloud, although Barret is there, too. Don't they usually show the main characters on the main page? Tifa's on the character page next to Cloud, though. :(

http://www.square-enix-usa.com/games/ff7/

This is said in the introductory paragraph of the Story section, too:

And since energy cannot be created or destroyed but merely transferred, some speculate that living beings never truly die. :rolleyes:

Meeehh! I don't care about North America :P. NO OFFENSE of course! North America's FFVII page lol, seriously..I mean the Japanese is the one that should be right, besides I think that counts in the NA page is really the beggining that you said Cloud and Aerith plus Barret are there XD

I have always thought that the way the official NA decription of Aerith is crap. She is not most concerned with the deepening love triangle between tifa, cloud and herself. For god's sake, She asked tifa early on in the game if she and cloud were togethr but Tifa denied, saying they were olny friends. So from Aerith's perspective, there was no Love triangle!
And once again, she gave up her own life, future, happiness to save the planet, I would say she is more concerned with the planet than a triangle :rolleyes:

Heh... did you know that the bit about the Love Triangle was added to the NA game manual? This is how Aerith's description reads in the Japanese game manual:

Aeris is a beautiful and demure young woman. Her mother died when she was young, and Aeris' relationship with her adoptive mother is often strained. Aeris sells flowers in Midgar and only unintentionally becomes involved with AVALANCHE. She is deeply spiritual, and has an interesting past. While physically weak, her great magical skill make her an asset to any team.
Source: RPGamer.com

Maybe there was no freaking love triangle at all in FF7 :P

JK, vspirit actually translated what was saying in the Aerith description (japanese)..it's basically the same as the NA version

Seriously? O_O

I find it surprising that RPGamer wouldn't be more careful in their translation.

Meh..wait I'll get you the translation

AERITH GAINSBOROUGH

-job: Flower-seller
-age: 22
-weapon: Rod/Staff
-height: 163cm
-date of birth: 2/7 (Feb 2nd)
-bloodtype: O

A beautiful girl exuding an air of mystery. Having unexpectedly met Cloud in the slums of Midgar, she unwittingly went along with him and his team on their journey and became apart of their group, her role becoming an important one. Gifted with a unique ability to be able to use magic, more importantly, would her relationship with Cloud be considered a love triangle between her, Cloud and Tifa?

Meh. We all know Cloud and Aerith's the true couple. Besides, hasn't games like KH, FFTA, etc. all shown that? There was a love triangle, but at the end of FFVII, Tifa accepted the fact that Cloud loved Aerith--the love triangle vanished (although it may appear again in AC)--it was the fans of the game that kept the love triangle going :P.

Where do you find some good translations? You also translated something from Japanese to English in some other thread--do you at least a bit of Japanese by any chance? :)

No no, I simply ask vilaeth or vspirit to translate stuff for me ^__^; I don't know anything of japanese characters LOL! XD

Well..I think I saw an interview saying something that they would touch the love triangle XD

Yep, that is pretty interesting, Aerith! On the cover of the FFVII game, there is Cloud gazing up at Midgar. Directly inside the cover is a picture of Aerith gazing up at the airship. So, in essence, their images are back-to-back. ^_^ Inside the game booklet, Cloud and Aerith appear ALONE on the first page of characters. You have to turn the page to even see Tifa. Then, on the cover of the FFVII OST booklet is Amano artwork of Cloud with Aerith (and the CloTis claim it is meaningless- PFFFFTTT!!! :rolleyes: ). On the first characters page in the OST booklet there is Cloud, Barret, and Aerith. Tifa is on the second page with Red XIII and Cid. The only time Cloud's picture is anywhere near Tifa is at the beginning of the OST booklet. One whole page is Aerith gazing up at the airship and the next page has Cid and Cloud at the top, and Red XIII and Tifa (directly below Cloud) at the bottom.

Cleris is tha couple XD

LMAO!

You only realise how old a game is when you look at it's website! LOL!! I was like... Where's the Flash animation? LMAO!!!

Ah, I say Amano art alone should be enough proof. Just look at all his other artworks. SquallxRinoa, TidusxYuna... You don't see him drawing SquallxQuistis now, do you? *rolls eyes*

Yeah, and for those CloTis who think Amano wasn't part of the FF7 team, YOU ARE WRONG. I saw his name in the credits. AH AH AH!

Whoa... that's never been brought up before, Clorith! That's an excellent addition, because the Cloti's are always claiming that Amano's art means nothing.

I haven't seen his drawings of TidusxYuna and SquallxRinoa. I haven't seen those drawings on his site, although his site has a terrible time loading on my computer, so I haven't looked at it thoroughly. Where did you see those drawings?

Cloud, Aerith and Barret were the first made characters, and usually the hero and heroine are the first made, and are the couple! Tifa's just an extra.


And yes, Amano is apart of FF team. He's the logo designer! And I *think* his art is in the official FFVII artbook too.

Here's a couple of links to those pics Clorith mentioned, Aly, and also some other canon couples Amano has drawn.

Tidus x Yuna
Lenne x Shuyin
Zidane x Garnet
Laguna x Raine?
Squall x Rinoa

Hope all the links work...
:unsure:

This is what was said in the FAQ at the CloTi Petition Site (The petition to have Square release some indication the undoubtedly proves Cloud loved Tifa :rolleyes: )

Hmm, an Amano pic would signify that Cloud and Tifa are cannon, and yet the four or five CloudxAeris pics mean nothing, ya?

To not take Amano's artwork into account is just plain stupid--his artwork for VII was quite integral to the game, even if Nomura's was more prominent. The fact of the matter is that Amano's work is definitely proof that Cloud and Aerith are the one, true couple of FFVII.

...and CloTis are just denying this because they won't accept the obvious proof, so they make up excuses and refuse Amano's work. Shame.

PEACE!!
Shadi

I have the Official FFVII Establishment File and it comes with a pull out poster of the Amano drawing of Aerith and Cloud surrounded by animals. Not to mention it's shown through out the book. :rolleyes:

Thanks for posting those, Amy! Any idea where they came from? That's the best substantiation of his artwork that I've seen.

Was that published by SE, Cloud's Girl? I *love* that Amano pic of Cloud and Aerith. :rolleyes:

LMAO!! Yet, they shoot us down left and right about Amano's artwork. :lol: Thanks for posting that, Seii... I didn't remember that was on their petition.

Maybe we should start our own petition asking for confirmation of Cloud and Aerith's love?

Let us not sink to their level Aly. Using a petition as an attempt to force SE to do something is really silly and immature. Besides, they gave us all KINDS of confirmation, the CoTi's just can't recognize it. If SE came out and said "Cloud loved Aeris" all the CloTi's would say "It's just fanservice! Just because there's more Cleris fans! They're lying! It really means Cloud loved Tifa!!!!"

The only confirmation they've given us is open to interpretation. If anything had been definitely confirmed, there would be no arguments with the Cloti's. The only things that will definitely confirm it are an "I love you" or a kiss. Even embraces can be excused away as friendship only.

They gave that to TidusxYuna, they gave that to SquallxRinoa... why can't they give it to CloudxAerith, too?

The only thing keeping them from it is that they don't want to tick off the Cloti fans. I can understand why they don't want to do that, but at the same time I'd love to see definite, inarguable confirmation of their love. I'm not sure we'll get it in AC, either, since Nomura said that he was told to stop before contradicting the interpretation of many players. I believe he said that in a Playstation interview... I'll have to track it down, though.

EDIT: Here's one such comment, although I think I saw another similar comment:

- [Nomura] FFVII has lots of fans so even if we make something new, if a gap arises with the image that the fans have of it then it's been decided that we should stop.
That's from The Playstation Interview with Tetsuya Nomura

He says right there that he's not going to contradict the interpretation of fans. That means he won't contradict either the Cleris people or the Cloti people. And once again, that means it'll be left open to interpretation rather than giving us anything conclusive.

Grrrr, that's so silly! Just let Cloud love Aeris already! The CloTi's will still live! They'll still like FFVII!

OMG, that is AWESOME!!!! I never even realized that! :o

I have two books from FFX and FFIX with lots of pictures. They are called "Visual Arts Collection". Amano did draw Tidus and Yuna together quite a bit and, in one picture, Yuna is surrounded by small animals, rather like that picture of Cloud with Aerith. Amano even drew Yuna with Seymour, because they WERE sort of an item at one point in the game. The fact that he NEVER drew Tifa with Cloud shows that they were NEVER an item and NEVER will be. :rolleyes: In my FFIX book, there is more than one picture of Zidane with Garnet. The other characters are all shown alone.

Yep, they came from FF Shrine. There's also a picture of Bartz and Reina from FFV there too. I know that they don't get officially together in the game, but Reina is the girl that Bartz shows the most interest in, and I think that the game kind of implies an attraction between them.

For those of you that are interested in seeing Amano's other artwork, I've found a great site with stacks of pics for you: The Art of Yoshitaka Amano.

Looks like Amano has quite a liking for canon couples, hm? :D And the fact that he drew more than one picture of Cloud x Aerith and no pictures of Cloud x Tifa speaks volumes, doesn't it? The Yuna x Seymour pic is a lot like the Aerith x Sephiroth pic - even the pose is similar, I think. Just another similarity between Yuna and Aerith.

Why do you guys think he drew Aerith with Sephiroth? I mean, with Yuna and Seymour, there was a bit of a romance going on, even if it was one-sided. But, there was nothing between Aerith and Sephiroth. Yet, they look pretty cozy in those pics of them. :blink: Was the original love triangle between Cloud, Aerith, and Sephiroth???

OH WOW
THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AN AWESOME LOVE TRIANGLE!

Imagine, the resident hero and villian both fell deeply in love with the female heroine... it's gonna be so tragic :(

I don't think those Sephiroth x Aerith pictures were done to imply that there might of been romance between the two if that was the case then Cloud loves Red 13. :P I think he just wanted to portray the heroine and villain together light and darkness good and evil that kinda thing.

There were only two pictures of Aerith and Sephiroth together and they were almost exactly the same. And one had Sephiroth's sword to Aerith's throat. So I doubt there is any romance involved. They are also two complete opposites.

Does anyone have a link to the Seph/Aerith pics? :) I am revamping my LT pages that are on my fanart site and I just stated that Amano draws only canon couples. However, I wasn't sure what to say regarding the Seph/Aerith pics... :blink:

If you go to FF Shrine, click on FFVII, then on Amano Artwork, you'll find the Seph and Aerith pictures, FFG. Really, I don't think the pics of Seph and Aerith have a romantic feeling to them - I see the one sans sword as giving off a sense of foreboding, kind of like the Yuna and Seymour one - it's sort of an 'under my control' thing, and the heroines have both been drawn to look very fragile in the hands of the evil villain. Just look at Aerith's expression! The one where Seph has a sword to her throat is self explanatory, and obviously a reference to Aerith's murder. It's just like the pic of Cloud and Red XIII together is meant to illustrate a rare moment of calm. The pic of Tifa alone also has some meaning, I think, maybe to show Tifa's role as tragic character - something that a lot of her fans miss. :rolleyes:

Neither do I, I once heard a page discrediting Amano's work, mentioning the picture of Aeris and Sephiroth "standing together like old friends." But then again, my guy friends threaten me with blades ALL THE TIME...

Yeah, they miss that a lot. I hate it how her fans try to portray her as a deep, intellectal, shy, quiet girl, and then in the next breath talk about her as an outspoken, spunky kick-ass chick with a bubbly attitude. <_<

Thanks, MB, for the link! :D

So, do you guys think it is rational to state that Amano only portrays canon couples in his art and that is why he drew Aerith with Cloud? And that he merely drew Aerith with Sephiroth because she was the heroine and he was the villian (light and dark)-- much like his drawing of Yuna with Seymour.

Yea, I would say that is completely rational. ;)

Sounds good to me! That's how I've always viewed it. Besides, maybe before it was decided Aeris would die the triangle was between Cloud Sephiroth and Aeris, like in FFX

A bit of an old subject, but...

Yeah, I would think that they'd be more careful too Aly. Aerith, I'm glad you got a new translation! I wonder where RPGamer got that other one from? Maybe there's more than one "official" Japanese description floating around.

There's quite a few parts of the script that are confirmed to be an incorrect translation, such as Cloud's line in the Highwind about "We've got to let go of Aerith's memory". What he's really talking about is setting Aerith's will free from Sephiroth's control. The main translator at AC.net confirmed that for us. So there are definite mistakes in the script.

Perhaps wilhelm would check that line for us? I think you're talking about Aerith's description in the Game Manual, right? RPGamer's translation of the Japanese Game Manual shows that there's no mention of the Love Triangle like there is in the NA version of the Game Manual.

I don't have access to the game manual, but Square's official site mentions it at the end of her profile as well.

FFVII translation really wasn't done too well, especially the infamous lines as "This guy are really sick!" and other really obvious grammar mistakes. It's kinda sad how many things have been lost in translation, and a lot of people use direct quotes from the game in the NA version to support their arguments when they aren't so reliable. =/