When and how will Cloud and Aerith meet?I don't think Square would leave this out.Is it possible?Although this is confirmed that Cloud wants to meet her.

Share your thoughts here,and tell me anything you have.

well, i just think that aerith will visit cloud in a dream and/or vision or something like that. she will be there to encourage him.


"you came...even though you are about to break."

those are aeris's words when they are in the field in AC. i think maybe cloud has to go to a certain place for him to meet her... i dont know. its all theory, until we see the film. :fangirl:

I bet he has to go to her death place because before Cloud was riding through the forest.

What about...mmm....him ,going to places where Aerith has been before? What does it contradict?

When Aeris described the Promised Land in the game, she said something like how you'll know you're in the Promised Land because you'll just be able to feel it. It's suppose to be a land of supreme happiness. Sounds really crazy, but for some reason, I get the impression the Promised Land isn't just one single place a person can point out or give directions to. Hrmms...just maybe, the road to the Promised Land might have a connection of some sort with the heart. What if one may only reach the Promised Land if one's heart is "pure" enough? Don't ask me what this means...'cuz I really have no explanation. The thought just kind of crossed my mind.

By the way, doesn't the name to Aeris' theme have some kind of connection with being "pure-hearted"?

I think Cloud will, somehow, find a way to the Promised Land because his love for Aeris runs deep and true. Reuniting with her though, is a different story. Unless he dies, I'm not sure he can be with her. :sad:

Aeris's theme with lyrics is called Pure Heart. ^_^

I love Pure Heart. It's one of the purdiest FF songs

"Meeting her again, that's my dream" is a quote from a magazine source yes? I don't think it's official but I can understand how the magazine derived that understanding of Cloud.
They must have interpreted the final FMV the way Clerises did. That Cloud wants to meet Aerith in the promised land.

Umm actually, I am not a strong believer of Cloud being with Aerith physically in the sense that he must die to be with her in the promised land. A more beautiful scenario, in my opinion, would be Cloud meeting her in his heart...and even if they are torn apart by death, Cloud finally realises that he can meet her in the promised land whenever he wants to. Because his promised land = Aerith, and she is right there...in his heart. Whenever he closes his eyes and dreams of her smile, he will be able to meet her. *sniff*

Imagine after defeating Sephy, he started to walk away from Tifa and co.

Tifa: Cloud, you are not leaving alone...
Cloud turns slowly and smiles: I am not alone. I never was...
And he places his right hand over his heart.

"Cloud smiles" theme plays.
Aerith's voice is heard: Let's go Cloud!

Sweet! lol

that is so beautiful.

*wipes eyes* :cry:

i kinda think the same thing, but she visits him in his dreams, and they just...talk until morning. its cloud's deepest secret... :cloud:

Love that, STA!

If something is your dream, it's what will make you happiest...and the Promised Land is seen to be a land of supreme happiness. I somehow think the Promised Land exist on the spirit plane, especially as it is connected to the Ancients who had spiritual powers and such. I think one can get in there not physically, but like STA said, through his heart.

OMG!!!!! That would be a BEAUTIFUL ending to AC!!!!!! TT_____TT
you are a genius!!!
omg!!! *cries tears of happiness*
how sweet!!!!!!

Slower:

Okay...that does it! This calls for a second wedding! REmarry me, slower!!!!! :woot:

For the ending though...I was thinking that Cloud should get on Fenrir, put his kool shades on...and then speed away as we hear Aeris' voice saying: Let's go, Cloud! *drools*

I've always been in the same boat as you. What I've bolded out is actually my prediction for AC, and I'm hoping it'll end that way. I didn't know anyone else was thinking of such a *gasps in horror* beautiful ending... :sad:

In fact, I DON'T want Cloud to die. He doesn't deserve death, even though I strongly believe he should "be" with her. He should realize, at the end, that Aeris has always been with him all along, and that the Promised Land is actually within his heart. I agree! He just needs to let go of all his guilt and grief first before he can SEE that. I really don't see why he should have to die so that their spirits can reunite. That just, in a way, destroys the whole concept of spiritual love: that a living and determined person may still "meet" with a true loved one who has passed away. This will shut Clotis up with their 1!1!1!1!ARIESISDIED, GETOVERIT!1!1!1!THEYCANNEVAHBETOGETHA!!!1!1!1! CLOUDNTIFA4EVAH!!1!1!1!

Not only that, they can also learn about the beautiful concept of spiritual love, and that sometimes, it can even be far far stronger than physical love and the ability to have HAWT sex. <_<

I agree with everyone that your idea is a beautiful concept, STA... but ultimately, I find it unsatisfying. :lol: I'm much more for Cloud and Aerith being reunited with one another in some way, even if it's necessary for Cloud to die. I'd love it even more if Aerith were resurrected, but I think KH is the closest thing to resurrection that we'll ever see from Square. The realization that she's in his heart, and always has been, is beautiful.... but it doesn't allow them to be together again. I want them to be together.

I'd love to see something along the lines of Cloud ending up in the Lifestream again after dying, and the hand reach scene being recreated.... except this time, Cloud's able to take Aerith's hand. It'd lead to a scene like this:

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/junk/g/ff/webcomic/...r/mother33.html

Then maybe a fade out to Cloud's dead body - his hand touching the ribbon, and a smile on his face.

NO!!!! Cloud can't die!!! He doesn't deserve the pain of death!!!!

...I--I mean, "we" wuv him too much!!!! :)

But Aly, they are forever together...in the Promised Land...in his heart... :woot: :sad: *sniffles*

Cleris understand that, but Cloti's will say, "Okay, we admit he loved Aerith while she was alive, but she's dead!!! It's healthiest for Cloud to move on, so you know he'll end up with Tifa."

Cloti's will start in on how Cloud grew to love Tifa, too, after Aerith's death, and how that was shown in the Lifestream Event and when Cloud and Tifa had hawt sex under the Highwind. They'll say it was just Cloud's lingering guilt over Aerith's death that kept Cloud away from Tifa. But now that Cloud's accepted Aerith's death and resolved his guilt, he'll move on to make babies with Tifa. I can hear it now. <_<

I agree with this, it has been 8 years since the game, and, an ending in wich Cloud comes to the realization that the Promised Land, so as Aerith, are in his heart, are greatly unsatisfying. I don't want him to die either, I'd rather have an scenario with Aerith reviving, we'd all like it, but it's really hard something like that is going to happen, so, if death is a way to see Cloud happy, then I'll accept it.

If death is painful, what's an instant of pain, compared to eternal happiness? If he can reach eternal happiness by dying: Would a some time of pain matter that much?

And who cares what the Clotis say. And if you want to have any argument in that case, you can always say that (as they admited that he loved Aerith) Tifa was the second choice, that he'll always have Aerith in his heart, so that the LT factor will never end. It's funny how only we Clerises can get rid of the LT, while the Clotis will never be able to do that. Doesn't matter how AC ends, that's how things are.

But Clotis interpreted their Clotis way because, arguably, the final FMV was unclear as to whether Cloud is in love with Aerith or not.

What I want for AC, is Cloud to realise and express his deep love for the dead girl, and that even if she's dead, he would still choose to meet her in his heart, in his dreams, over someone else who's alive. I find this more poignant, then Cloud dying and sorta "have no choice" but to end up with Aerith. I want Cloud to have a choice, and to make that choice. :angel:

Do you mean Clotis can actually twist that ending I wrote out a few posts above, into a possibility that Cloud choose shack up with Tifa again? :no:

Yes, angelic, I will remarry you!!! :huggle: lmao

Slower:

Exactly!!!
I wuv you... :woot:

*giggles* What's not satisfying about Cloud choosing to love Aerith spiritually over loving Tifa physically? AERITH R DIES, but Cloud still chooses her over Tifa who R NOT DIES. I'd love to see the look on the faces of certain Clotis.

I wasn't really being serious when I said that. Basically, I want Square to step away from the idea that one can only be happy if one can physically be with his/her love. It's why I don't really care for Cloud to die or for Aeris to be resurrected. As I've also said, Cloud doesn't deserve death. In a way, death would mean there was no solution to his problems and he finally gives up, because it is ultimately "the easy way out". I want him to live, to endure, to overcome his problems, and to finally be rewarded with Aerith at the end of it all even though she is no longer in the physical relm.

I totally agree with your point - that Cloud should have a choice. But even if Cloud expresses his love for Aerith, the Cloti's will consider that a love he has to move on from because SHE'S DEAD!!1! If Cloud's still alive at the end, they'll still say he has to move on at some point, and that he'll end up with Tifa. I don't want that possibility left open, coz that's all we'll hear about.

Sure they can. It's a beautiful ending, and I love it... but I think they can twist it very easily. They'll just say that Cloud loved Aerith during Disk One, but he got together with Tifa in Disk Two. It was just the guilt over Aerith's death that didn't let him move on before AC. Now that he's over the guilt, there's nothing to keep him from moving on coz he loves Tifa, too.

The idea of Cloud making babies with Tifa is a greater indication of love to the Cloti's than anything Cloud feels in his heart. It's in the here and now, so it's more important to the Cloti's than anything Cloud felt in the past for Aerith (as they'll perceive it). In their eyes, spiritual love is secondary to hawt sex. :lol:

Ah, poo...let them try and argue that. Unless Cloud ALSO expresses his love for Tifa in AC, there's no way they can convincingly argue that he'll move on with her because she's alive. According to them, Cloud had expressed his love for Tifa in the game. If AC doesn't even touch on their love, that would mean Clotis have interpreted the game wrong.

True...but again, only IF Cloud ALSO expresses his love for Tifa in AC. According to how some of us would like the movie to end though, Cloud walks AWAY from both Tifa and companions saying that he won't be alone because Aerith is with him. He chooses Aerith. Let the Clotis try to argue that THAT indicates Cloud's LURVE for Tifa.... :lmao:

They can dream up the idea that AFTER the movie, Cloud somehow falls in love with Tifa and ends up making babies with her: fanfiction. I could care less because IF the movie were to go according to STA's idea, what Cloud feels for Aerith isn't in the past because he walks away "with her" at the end of it all. Not only that, but the only one he expresses his love to, in the movie, would be Aerith. I think it would work out very nicely for Cleris. :cleris:

I've got to say that I think he already has realized he has Aerith in his heart... and that's the point he's already been at. I think it hasn't been enough for him though. I think that is why he's searching for the promised land. I think he has earned a time to die and finally be happy with her. He saved the world once, and is going to again. I don't see his death as a cop out, or giving in. Not fighting and letting Geostigma take over him would be the cop out. I see the ending you proposed leaving us at where we figured he already was before anything about AC. I can see him still trying to find the promised land and never being quite satisfied in his life, because although he can feel the connection, he can't hold her or touch her or kiss her. Even though love doesn't need to be physical to exist, you still will inevitably will desire it. Kinda like a long distance relationship even, I could always call, but I still wanted more. I think that for Cloud's complete happiness, he needs to finally have that.

Exactly... so they will claim it still exists because it was shown in the game. Cloud won't even have to express love for Tifa in AC. If there's anything that even slightly hints that Cloud cares about Tifa in AC, they'll see that as indication that his love for Tifa still exists. They'll just argue that he loves Tifa, too.

I can almost guarantee that they will find some way to twist the whole thing around unless he's dead and therefore unavailable to Tifa for a future relationship.

It's not satisfying, if you put yourself in Cloud's shoes. He's always been alone, he wanted to be noticed, but every time he tried he failed, he thought he was a complete loser. Then he finds Aerith, she sees him as a hero, for the first time in his life he actually feels imprtant for someone, and found someone with whom he could be himslef, the real Cloud.

He lost her, and even if he has her in his heart, physically, he'll be alone.

Dying, not necesarilly implies, that he didn't found any solution to his problems, or that he gave up life. He can die in the movie beacuse of fighting, beacuse he wanted others to have, what in life, he couldn't fully have. Also, he can die happilly, because he might be able to meet Aerith. I think that if he decides to fight, after he wanted to die (as we have seen in the trailers), that means that he has already started to overcome his problems. So, if he dies at the end, then death, in Cloud's case, can't be named as "the easy way out".

Cloud chooses Aeris when he walks away from Tifa and companions. He says he's no longer alone because Aeris is with him and has always been. You hear Aeris's voice saying: "let's go, Cloud..." as he hops on Fenrir and speeds away into the sunset... :fangirl:

I'll only laugh at Clotis if they attempt to ALSO turn this ending into a Cloti ending.

It's only a problem if being physically there with someone is important to you. STA and I just think spiritual love happens to be the greater of the two.

*shrugs* I guess that could work too. When it all comes down to it, it just depends on how you view spiritual love VS physical love. I don't exactly wanna debate on this because it's only a possibility...and perhaps one that Square isn't even considering.... :)

I agree that spiritual love is the greater of the two, but Cloti's don't. That's why I think they'll twist the meaning of STA's ending into something it wasn't meant to portray. I think they need something more concrete before they will accept it.

Don't consider this a real debate or anything. We're just discussing ideas. :rolleyes:

I understand what you mean. I think the Cloti idea has been around for such a long time, that unless Cloud were to actually STATE that he doesn't love her will the Clotis be able to accept that Cloud never did, not even during the game itself.

Awww...you guys know I wuv you, Aly... :huggle:
I know it's not a real debate and just a discussion, but it was my way of apologizing because it was starting to sound like I was pushing for an idea that maybe isn't even being considered by Square. STA and I would like an ending...that will be a slap to the faces of those Clotis and their 1!1!1!1!AERITHRDIED1!1!1!1!, that's all... *giggles*

Yeah... they'll just find a way to twist anything that's abstract. They need something more concrete, like a kiss, before they're convinced. That's why I'd rather see something more like Cloud reunited with Aerith like this in this Lifestream:

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/junk/g/ff/webcomic/...r/mother33.html

I also think it'd be awesome to see the hand reach scene re-enacted, but this time Cloud is able to take her hand to show what would have happened in FFVII if he'd been able to take her hand. It would show what the hand reach scene was supposed to mean in the game.

Awww... you know I wub you too, Angelic! :huggle: It's hard to say what Square will do. I love STA's ending, but I just don't think it'll be convincing enough to Cloti's.

What bothers me is that Cloud is probably not thinking of meeting her in AC with what's happening.

Never fear, Cleara Aura. :) Of course he wants to meet her. Nothing has changed. I am sure we will at least have several dream sequences with her, and the finale will definitely have her in it. Cloud has other motives, of course. But never forget the line: "I don't think I can save anyone. Not family, friends, no one." Obviously he's still feeling terrible about not being able to save his mother (family), not being able to save Zack (friends), and then the mysterious no one! Well, who is the most important person to Cloud? Obviously Aerith is the "no one", the one who is the most important, the one he could not save. And isn't there a scene where he's holding his arm, where the ribbon of remembrance of her is? And he's living in her church. :) All good evidence to show that he has not forgotten her and is still thinking of her. Even if he thinks of other things, she is still in his heart.

I love the idea of that ending as well. Espeially if it's after the final dream sequence, when we get to see a Cloud and Aerith kiss. :) Anastar, we could have both in the film! The pretty ending, and a definite end to the love triangle. That would be so perfect. I think, between STA's ending and a dream sequence kiss or hug or something, the CloTi's would accept that Tifa is just Cloud's friend. I don't think they're that rabid, and if they are, who really cares? Lots of people like uncannon couples. :) And I think the "Cloud Smiles" song fits perfectly with both ideas: a final dream sequence, and STA's pretty ending. And then we'll get a smile from Cloud as he looks up at the sky, and then credits galore. :)

Not exactly... Cloud staying in her church is one thing. And his "But I let her die..." quote. And him baring his soul to Aerith regarding seeking forgiveness, something that probably her and Vincent were the only ones whom he had the courage to tell out loud.

But what's more important, showing the Cloti's who's 'right' or receiving a lovely ending that tells us Cloud chose Aerith over Tifa, even in her death? ^_^

You've said it again, Kusari!!!!! :cleris:

Right on, Kusari. :) An ending that makes sense with the theme of the game, plus shows us that our pairing is the right pairing, is more than satisfactory. :) Most of the CloTis (maybe not the rabid ones, but the general fans) will probably understand if Cloud chooses Aerith in such an obvious fashion as in STA's ending. I mean, that's outright rejection of Tifa (in a subtle way) and there is no possible way to make that ending about Tifa at all. So I think, if we get an ending like that, it would be wonderful, Cloud would be in character, and it'd be a smoothe, subtle end to the love triangle. :) If they want to put Tifa together with Cloud after that, that's fine, but it'd be just like putting Yuffie with Cloud or Vincent with Cloud or Sephiroth with Cloud by then. With an end like STA's, Cloud and Aerith would be cannon, and Cloud and Tifa would become merely fannon. :)

I was just rereading this thread again....and STA!! :lmao: How uncanny that your prediction of the ending was pretty similar to the ending of AC!!!!!!

But instead of having her say "Let's Go, Cloud." we had her saying *spoiler* "You're alright now, aren't you?" */spoiler* and instead of speeding away into the sunset, we had Cloud speeding away in Calling!! :lmao: You guys could be fortune tellers!!! :lmao:

It's a bit freaky how close your ending predictions were to the real thing. :lmao: What with all the "Not alone" bits. :lmao:

STA's ending was very similar to the way the movie ended, and it was lovely. But does everyone see now why I said it would leave things too open to interpretation? Some Cloti's are even claiming that Cloti was canonized in the movie, that the ending was nothing but a music video with no Cleris implications at all, and that Cloud went back to Tifa. I didn't want it left open to interpretation because I was afraid the Cloti's would react that way with an ending like this... and they did. <_<

Yes, it was a lovely ending... but Cloti's still think that Cloud went back to Tifa, just like I was afraid they would. They're even saying that Cloud and Tifa will be married, and that Tifa will be pregnant in DoC. So it wasn't concrete enough that Cloud chose Aerith even in death. Too many people remain totally unconvinced of that. <_<

Yeah, but the people who are unconvinced are complete brain-dead, sex-obsessed morons. :rolleyes:

:lmao: True... but simple people need simple explanations, and there's way too many simpletons out there who can't understand the Cleris ending that AC provided. <_<

*splurts water all over keyboard*

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Oh that made me laugh, how that made me laugh. :lmao:

I like to think AC is a test of intellectuals. Only those in strong denial will not be able to see the Clerisness - it was so obvious, it's shocking that some can't see it. It's like....that old story of the King and the Invisible Clothes (or something like that.) :P

:mellow: I only have one thing to say to those people : If thou hast a brain, thou shalt understand it. If not, my deepest condolences. :mellow:

If you are talking about the same bunch of people who see Sephy as Cloud's light, I'm not expecting anything much from them :headbang:

Thanks yin-chan :blush: , just so you know....





Nomura loves me :peace:
lol...

*touches crystal ball*
Ah, I see a bright future for Cleris in KH2, Cloud will fulfill his role as Aerith's bodyuard and save her from the evil known as Sephiroth :dance2: lol ignore my offtopicness

STA:

Yes, these are the people who believe (as well) that Cloud's light could = Tifa :lol:
You see, SE only stressed Aerith meeting up with Cloud at the end because they needed her to wish Cloud luck on finding his true light -------> Tifa. They'll be proven right in KH2, so they believe.

Gawd...talk about being desperate, and here I thought that to Clotis, KH was just an AU with no meaning at all. :hit:

Never doubt that, wuv... :wub:

Yin-chan:

Heh...that's completely true. FFVII, AC, and the parallels of KH...well, the answers are all there. We just have to look deep enough to find those answers, because...SE said they left nothing hanging. Their intention wasn't to leave things open. However, different interpretations are possible because they're not expecting everyone to find those answers. :cloud:

STA and SE are just brilliant! It's almost magical when great minds think alike... :bow:

Anastar:

So true, and I think we all saw that coming. SE said they weren't going to contradict anyone's interpretation of the game, and for the most part, they kept true to their words. I always saw Cloud and Tifa as family, "more than friends, less than lovers". I could care less what Clotis think...and I'm certainly not surprised, considering that they've managed to so horibbly butcher the original game's ending, an ending KH pretty much reinforced for me.

We did not see Cloud thinking of Tifa, or running back to her with open arms. What we did see was a scene with just Cloud and Aerith. What SE bothers to stress is most important: Aerith is the one on his mind at the end. He's not alone. They are still spiritually connected, no matter how far apart (again, a concept reinforced by KH). We're shown that he's single...and his story ended there. Clotis are spewing fanfiction.