In the beginning of the game, neither Tifa nor Cloud seem to be romantically interested in the other. Cloud gives her the cold shoulder, and she just wants him to join their cause (he's supposedly an ex-SOLDIER, which is a good asset to AVALANCHE, plus he owes her one on a promise she goaded him into making). Then along comes Aerith and all of a sudden Tifa is jealous! Even after Aerith is dead, Cloud continues to pine for her, and Tifa tries to get close him in the Highwind scene. Depending on how you play Cloud, he can either totally blow her off, or comfort her in a i'm-sorry-I-just-wanna-be-friends way.

Bottom line? Cloud loves and wants to be with Aerith. Tifa can't have Cloud because his heart belongs to somebody else. She's attracted to him because he's irresistably unattainable.

That pretty much sums up what the members of this forum believe, atomic~cherry! If you look through other threads, you'll find a lot of discussion about evidence from the game to reinforce that idea.

And welcome to the forum! :cleris:

atomic, i totally agree. :D i went on the evil under all that pink website today...(shudder) and the excuses she has made(i cant remember her name) are ridiculous! she has actually calmed down now and made a tribute to aeris its called Forlorn...

but she still stands by some of the pathetic excuses she made. i think she is cloti too, which really makes me mad! :angry:

I sometimes find Clotis hard to believe. They say that Aerith is nice and what not , but they say this when I ask about the death of aerith "she dies what? then the only girl for him is Tifa" qouted from my younger cousin whose brother is playing FFVII currently.

I agree with you, too by the way , atomic~cherry, hope you like it here :huggle: .

Ooo, I agree with a~c! I really don't buy the "Aeris is dead so Tifa is the only woman for Cloud" stuff. It's actually really annoying and totally not romantic. I think Tifa was just jealous of Aeris because she only wants Cloud for herself..

Why does Tifa need Cloud, anyway? I know CloTis think that "it's just cute if they don't need eachother at all; they would just love eachother because they want to." Welps, that kind of lame reason just doesn't really appeal to me.. especially if it's with Cloud and Tifa. It's like any other love story where old friends fall in love. Cloud and Aeris's love is more unique.. like a classic romance. A Cloud and Tifa relationship is a bit boring with the same old friendship stuff. It would be better if Cloud and Tifa just keep their great friendship, nothing more. Cloud and Aeris need eachother -- Cloud will be her soldier, and Aeris will be his light. They make one whole.. just like one of their known names:

CLORIS
Clo <-- is Cloud's strength
Ris <-- is Aeris's hope

What makes the CxA relationship even more beautiful is that I think they are both completely different from eachother. People say that Cloud and Tifa have a great deal in common. I understand that, but I don't think the CloTi relationship would go anywhere if they were alike. It's so boring! Cloud is just cold and miserable just being the person he is, and he needs to be changed in order for him to be happy. Coming from a dork like me (^.^), Aeris can show Cloud a brighter, new world where he can gain mental strength! Like the Aladdin song, "A Whole New World" ^_^

And I think Tifa can take care of herself.. She's a reliable and awesome woman, but she doesn't necessarily need Cloud. If she's like Cloud, she needs a confident man who is like Aeris. Probably Barret or something. Who said Barret isn't the chick magnet?

:barret: <3

Cloud and Aeris remind me of Squall and Rinoa. Squall being the cold, unsociable, 'leave me alone' guy and Rinoa being the new girl who one day comes along and starts to change his life and make him a better being. I also don't think that two people who have a lot in common are always to be considered as compatible. Look at Yuna and Tidus -- Zidane and Garnet -- and as I mentioned earlier, Squall and Rinoa. All of these couple have the opposite personalities but ended up with each other (not to mention that they're also the official couples of their respective games). Well Cloud and Aeris didn't exactly end up with each other but if you're really observant, Square has been long giving hints that it is Cloud and Aeris who's the real couple of ff7. Tifa is a great woman but isnt always honest with Cloud and she tells him what he wants to hear. She clearly isn't enough to make him happy. If he loves her, why did he still felt alone even if she could be there to comfort him. It's because something is missing and clearly, whatever's missing, he couldn't find in Tifa. When did Cloud felt that he isnt alone anymore? When did Cloud started to smile again? After meeting his flower girl again. I guess that's enough proof. :cleris:

Reading this makes my anticipation for this movie grow bigger. Please tell me there are Cleris scenes...:fangirl:

This is my opinion!
Tifa is Scarlet O' Hara,
Cloud is Ashley
Aeris is Milly
and
Johnny/Barret/Reno/Others is Rhett Butler! ^_^
(Take your pick of the guy to be Rhett!)

Tifa, like Scarlet, want's something she can't have and doesn't see the love she really has with "Rhett."
Cloud is Ashley, he kinda leads Tifa/Scarlet on but he really loves Aeris/Milly.
Aeris, just like sweet Milly, loves her Cloud/Ashley dearly but she values her friendship with Tifa/Scarlet.
Johnny/Barret/Reno/others are like Rhett. They wan't Tifa/Scarlet to love them and see them, then they get sick of her lusting after Cloud and in the end they simply "don't give a damn."


If that makes no sense go watch "Gone With The Wind" and see how it reflects FF7!

There's one huge bit of difference there between Cloud and Squall. Squall simply doesn't want anybody around him. Cloud actually wants people to like him, but he doesn't know how to do it and keeps screwing things up.

As for the idea of A love you can't have, that's a recurring theme though FF7.

In the Flashback, Cloud wants Tifa.
Currently Tifa wants Cloud.
After her death, Cloud wants Aeris.
Tseng wants Aeris.
Elena wnats Tseng.
Rude wants Tifa.
Vincent wants Lucretia.

True.

Alternative Thought......

I think Tifa did want Cloud....but she had completely assigned herself to the fact that Cloud must still want her, concerning his past crush and their promise. I personally believe she was waiting for Cloud to make the first move and pledge his undying love for her, yadda yadda yadda. She had no reason to be possessive or romantic around him because Tifa thought she knew he felt the same way, and that she had nothing to worry about.

Then Aerith came along, and the whole thing burst up in her face. Of course, feelings of hurt and jealousy are perfectly natural in this case.

Likewise, alternative thought...

Although Cloud has always admired Tifa for being the most popular child in Nibelheim, he's pretty clueless about Tifa's romantic feelings because he has never felt that way about her. Tifa wants to tell him, but she can't bring herself to yet...and so she holds back. Along comes Aerith and Cloud falls for her instead. It's too late for poor Tifa...oh, but then Aerith suddenly dies. Tifa then displays her love for him, but only daring to because he's in his veggy state... O.o

She tries again during the Highwind scene, but Cloud isn't exactly responding the way she'd been hoping. Instead, it's realized that they have a close relationship due to having shared a past and the tragedies of Nibelheim...which ultimately results in a relationship that's more like family than anything else. At the end, Cloud's desire to meet Aerith again despite her being dead seals the LT. Tifa accepts that and moves on...which leads us to her relationship with Cloud and Barret in AC: FAMILY.

...interpretations, so many...ugh! :o

That's really what I believe, that if Cloud and Tifa were a couple it was on force and untrust. I really don't think Cloud could open up to Tifa, but he did to Aerith and that's why he loves her and still greives from her death.

Yeah. Tifa doesn't even really know Cloud. In Case of Tifa, Cloud's personality really annoys Tifa and vice-versa and she really finds herself wishing he was different or would change. It makes me believe that if she had had a better idea of what he was really like in FFVII, she wouldn't have been so determined to have him.

I agree with this ^_^

I think Aerith x Cloud and Rinoa x Squall are very similar in some ways, way more similar than Cloti and Squinoa. If anything the relationship between Squall and Quistis is more similar to the Cloud and Tifa relationship. I just hate it when people try to compare Tifa to Rinoa just cause they both have black hair, morons. Nomura isn't that shallow.

Both Tifa and Quistis were childhood friends or at least claimed to be childhood friends of the hero. Both had romantic feelings for the hero that were unreciprocated. Both realize the hero's growing affections towards the main heroine and accept their love.

Tifa: "Yeah ... let's go meet her," after Cloud told her he wanted to go see Aerith, even after her death!

And Quistis admits to Squall she about gave up on him once Rinoa came into the picture, and that her love must have been a sisterly love - which is very reminiscent of Tifa in Case of Tifa, the way it said Tifa looked at Cloud the way a mother would.

Both Tifa and Quistis love Cloud and Squall but they accept that their love can never be given to them in the same way. They in turn change their affections into a more caring kind of love instead of romantic, because deep down they do care a lot about them.

Anyways this is what I see. And interesting again is to point out the similarities between Aerith and Rinoa, especially in personality. Rinoa and Tifa are not similar at all, in fact they are almost complete opposites, I think Clotis don't want to have to admit Tifa and Quistis have more in common than Tifa and Rinoa because Quistis was rejected by Squall.

Lol, and funny side note ... Clotis claim the night under the highwind was so romantic, but what about the Quistis x Squall date at the makeout place in the training room - late at night o.O I mean come on ... did they have hawt secks? And then you have Selphie actually waiting in your room once you get back. damn, Squall is a stud :lmao:

Agreed.



I always thought that Tifa and Quists were similar and Rinoa and Aerith were similar. It's funny.

Quistis wears pink like Aerith but is an introvert and childhood friend, like Tifa.
Rinoa has dark hair like Tifa but is outgoing and bubbly, like Aerith.

I'm glad that someone finally mentions how different Rinoa and Tifa are mentally.

Lol, I know ... actually Tifa and Rinoa are almost exact opposites -_-;

Clotis just don't want to have to admit Aerith and Rinoa are similar in the heroine category just like Tifa and Quistis are similar in the childhood friend category because Squall rejected Quistis, and they are too gd'ed stubborn to admit Cloud rejects (or rather runs away from) Tifa's love. *Ahem* how many compliations and they still haven't had the gazillion cloti babies ... helll they aren't even a couple.

Tifa is just jealous . :no: poor thing . She thinks she can have him . :cloud: She could if she wouldn't try so hard.

I agree with you to a certain extent. Yes, she does try way too hard to win Cloud's attention/love/whatever, which is one reason why he's driven away from her.
But! I think, that even if Tifa didn't try as hard as she is/was, he still wouldn't love her.
Personality is what matters, and obviously, they are too alike to be together.
Aerith's personality is one HUGE reason to why Cloud is driven to her.

She has to try so hard to be close to him, even gotten into the point of asking Cloud if he loved her and changed the subject. I kinda feel sorry for her, she wants Cloud to move on probably for her sake but she doesnt seem to want to move on herself.

I'm also agreeing with you, Kaleta. She wants to move on, but she's the one that can't move on.
Well explained, too :D

She needs to think about what she is asking Cloud and say it to herself first. She surely cant be so shallow that she wants someone to do something for her if the case is similar to hers. You cant change others, but you can change yourself, is the saying if im not mistaken <3 And thank you n.n