Is Aerith Cloud's light?

I think so. It makes all the sense..well. KINDA. Sephiroth was his darkness..and his darkness killed (in FF7) the light ^__^.

And they meet in the end after all!

Well, I know there are people (Clotis in particular) who say that Aerith was not his light, but, in the context of the game, who else could his light be? Obviously not Sephiroth, because his goal is to defeat him, and he's as much his enemy in KH as in FF7. The only evidence in KH we have for who his light is, is suggesting Aerith. After all, they did meet again in the end. So I think when people argue that, it's rather futile.

Yeah..it's amazing how people try to prove it wrong -.-

Good point, Seraphic Radiance. The other reason it can't be Sephiroth is that - in Final Mix - Cloud specifically says to Sephiroth, "You are my Darkness". That sorta rules out Sephiroth being Cloud's light, doesn't it? :lol:

I also hate it when people try to say that Cloud wasn't searching for Aerith in KH. Who else would he be searching for? Again, it can't be Sephiroth because Sephiroth wasn't even in the original version of KH released in Japan. Sephiroth wasn't a character in KH until the North American release of the game.

Plus, Nomura himself said that the end of KH was made so that it could be interpreted that Cloud was searching for Aerith. Nomura did go on to say that it was left open to interpretation, BUT he said in the same breath that Cloud searching for Aerith was a possible interpretation of the game.

Yeh but we know the Clotis don't we. It doesn't matter if there is no other valid interpretation of the game they'll still say that because that ending was open to interpreatation it's not valid evidence. *sigh* Clotis the bane of my existence.

There have been 3 things in FF7 that have proved conclusively alone that Cloud loves Aeris. Aeris' death, the final scene and KH. As far as i'm concerned that's all the evidence i need. And hoopefully KH will show us more.

Cloti people will just do anything and would definitely say anything they could think of even if it doesn't make any sense just to disprove that Aerith is Cloud's light... which I deem she is. :P

You think there will be CloudxAerith goodness in Kingdom Hearts 2? ^_^ One of my friends keep on daydreaming that maybe they'll have a kid by then. *swooning* :D

wahahaha
Sephy = light???
Even preschool kids ( and peeps like me *coughreadmynick*can tell light from dark

Sephy = mysterious dark babelicious maniac whom i happen to fancy ^_^

Of course she's his light. Just like Kairi was Sora's light, and just like she was the light of hope for the Planet in FFVII. Though I've come across some CloTis that say that the fact that Tifa isn't in KH hints at CloTi... :huh:

Tifa, you know as well as I do that they already have a kid - Sora! :lol:

I've heard them say that, too! They say that Tifa wasn't in KH with Cloud for the same reason that Rinoa wasn't in KH with Squall, and therefore the fact that Tifa's not in KH is indication that it's Cloti! Then they turned around and claimed that the girl in the secret ending was Tifa waiting for Cloud. :lol: They never stop!

:rolleyes: But Squall had angel wings on the back of his jacket, obviously a reference to Rinoa. :D

And the FF characters weren't exactly integral to the plot, so why on earth would there be a shot of Tifa on the beach after the trailer showed the unknowns and mentioned Sora? Maybe in KH2 Sora and Tifa will have a deep and pure love. :lol:

But seriously, I don't understand how they can say that Cloud meeting Aerith in a game that's about the bonds of love doesn't mean anything. But then again most CloTi's hate KH anyway... I wonder why that is? :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's what I tell them, while pointing out that there was no reference to Tifa on Cloud. :lol: They usually come back by saying that Squall and Aerith most likely had something going while Cloud was at the Coliseum. <_<

LMAO!!! :lol:

They say it doesn't mean anything because it was pure fanservice. <_< How can they say that when Nomura himself said:

Question: What was the thought behind bringing back Aeris [in Kingdom Hearts]?
Nomura: ... But if you play Kingdom Hearts, toward the end, some of the questions about the relationship between Cloud and Aeris in FFVII might be answered. It's sort of like a side story, and this was an extra bonus that I wanted to give to players.

He says right there that questions about Cloud and Aerith in FFVII are able to be answered in Kingdom Hearts. They harp about Nomura saying, "might be"... but to me, Nomura is simply too vague to say "definitely".

Another poor argument. The marketing ploy.

Yes you could definately argue that putting the FF characters in KH was fan service and aimed at selling games but that makes little difference to the fact that Cloud was searching for Aeris.

Why didn't they have CLoud searching for Tifa then? That would still be fan service and giving the people (well some people) what they wanted to see. But NO they put CLoud and Aeris together for a reason and i think we all know what that is or we wouldn't be.

Hmmmm i'm not sure about CLoud and Aeris in KH2. They might not be there to be honest. If KH2 comes out after AC then i think they definately won't be there because they won't want to tarnish what that movie did. There is bound to be some FF7 characters there though. VINCENT! Especially with Dirge of Cerberus coming out.

When Kingdom Hearts came out, I though it was Nomura's way of saying
"This is the end of the love triangle. LEAVE ME ALONE!! :P"
I was really surprised to hear that people actually believed that Cloud wasn't searching for Aeris. :blink:
Well if Cloud wasn't searching for Aeris.. that leaves only one other option.. a light bulb. :huh: And that's pretty unlikely.

I was really surprised as well when people started arguing that Cloud is searching for Sephiroth when Cloud says he's searching for his light. Who else could be his light besides Aerith?

:lol:

Also, if they had Cloud/Tifa in KH instead of Cloud/Aerith (the blasphemy!), would the Cloti supporters be calling it a fan service? I think not.

yeah i haerd that a-lot too that cloud has been look for sephiroth and not aeris
but i dont think thats true i think that he was searching for both of them, you know
i mean he was looking for sephiroth so he could like fight him and aeris you know
i mean he was looking for her so they could like be together

The way i see it Cloud was searching for his darkness (Sepiroth) in order to get to his light (Aeris).

Which is seen in the game. Well not the original version but the later one. Though fighting Sepiroth in that game is optional so i suppose he doesn't have to defeat his darkness but hey we can presume that can't we?

Besides his clothing and general look is that of someone in darkness trying to find their light. He seems very much like Vincent in KH.

Yup... I heard somebody say that Cloud stealing Vinny's clothes in KH is kind of significant... I mean, you know how Vincent had lost "the love of his life" Lucrecia before and is mourning for her loss for... was it 30 years? In a similar way, Cloud must be mourning for the loss of Aerith... but it's kind of different in KH, since Cloud is attempting to find what he has lost and not lock himself up in a coffin. (heheh.)

But, in a sense, they're both the same... lost loves, lost in the darkness... :unsure:

And, I must say this... "Dammit! Aerith is Cloud's LIGHT! Nobody else! YAAAH!"

Well, apparently their reasons for thinking it's Sephiroth is that in Final Mix(which came out AFTER the original KH) that Sephiroth says "I've been searching for you too". Now...um...If Cloud is searching for his light, and "light"= love in that game, then Sephiroth=light=yaoi moment? Hmm, I'm not seeing any Tifa.
Oh, and the reason Rinoa wasn't in KH was that she didn't exist in that universe! Neither did Tifa! Plus, Squall/Leon hated himself for letting his world get destroyed, but I always read that as "letting Rinoa/loveone die". And the wings is DEFINATLY a hint at this.
Stupid CloTi's :P
PS I really really REALLY hope they have a baby in KH2!!!! Or we at least get to see them all happy and lovedovey(preferably married). *crosses fingers*

Yes he was searching for Sepiroth because he was also searching for his darkness. He needs to overcome his darkness in order to reach his light Aeris. That's why they've been searching for each other. It's not a yaoi moment.

I doubt that Aeris and CLoud will be in KH2 because as i've said before it will come out after AC and it will ruin the emotion of that i think. And even then CLuod and Aeris are never going to be the lovey dovey type it's just not in their character. If they are in KH 2 they will not kiss and they will not have a family that i guarantee.

Then Aerith definitely is Cloud's light whether we all like it or not... but of course, we all like it, huh? ;)

Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. Guess I wasn't clear. I was just pointing out how stuipd it is to think that Sephiroth was Cloud's light.

I was wondering about the ending of KH - how did Cloud get to Hollow Bastion? How did he know that Aerith was there? The last place we saw him was in the Olympus Coliseum, not exactly next-door to Hollow Bastion. Maybe he did what Beast says brought him there, remember when Riku asked him how he got there?

Beast: I simply believed. Nothing more to it. When our world fell into darkness, Belle was taken from me. I vowed I would find her again no matter what the cost. I believed I would find her. So, here I am. She must be here. I will have her back!


Do you think this is how Cloud got there too?

Yes, that is why they think Cloud is searching for Sephiroth rather than Aerith. However, Cloud says that Sephiroth is his Darkness in Final Mix. The other problem with saying that Cloud is searching for Sephiroth rather than Aerith is that Sephiroth was never in the original version of KH, yet Cloud still told Sora that he was searching for someone in the original version. Nomura also said that the ending of KH was made so that it could be interpreted that Cloud was searching for Aerith, which means that Cloud searching for Aerith is a valid interpretation of the game.

Ohhhh, I'd love to think that's how Cloud got there.... but wasn't everyone returned to the land they were in at the time their world was destroyed? Cloud was in Hollow Bastion with the others when their world was destroyed because Nomura said that Cloud got separated from the others in the confusion. That makes you wonder why Sora didn't go back to Destiny Island, though... <_<

Is there an article/interview to that in which Nomura said that? So next time I go debating, I'll have proof! Some people (nameless, since this is no venting thread) think they've stepped inside Nomura's shoes a lot that they think they can read his mind... I know I can't.

Yeppers, there is... he said that in an interview with the Ultimania Guide to Kingdom Hearts:

Question: Okay then, so the person who Cloud is searching for is Aeris, right?
Nomura: Well, what do you think? If indeed it was Aeris, then the bit in the ending was the answer. You might say it was made so that you can take it that way. Cloud is a popular character, and I don't really want to decide myself, yes he is like this. Because players make strong conclusions by themselves, I want to leave room for everyone's line of thought.

The Cloti's tend to jump on the last part where Nomura says that he wanted to leave it open to the interpretation of the player. However, they ignore what Nomura said before that... he makes it clear that the game can indeed be interpreted to mean that Cloud was searching for Aerith. Even though he says that it's open to interpretation, he makes it clear that Cloud searching for Aerith is a possible interpretation of the game... and therefore valid.

That passage can be found in translation here: Ultimania Guide to Kingdom Hearts, translated by Thorfinn Tait

Tetsuya Nomura also said that this little storyline was a "bonus to gamers" in an EGM issue. So That is a little hint that Tetsuya himself supports the Cloud/Aeris pairing. Also Yoshinori Kitase said a while back that he was interested in adding Cloud and Aeris's story to future games which resulted in the side story in Kingdom Hearts. So the FFVII main staff does like them as a couple. But yeah, this seems to be their little hint that Cloud at least cares deeply for Aeris.

:lmao:

The way I see it is that Cloud's always known that Aerith was at Traverse Town, but he couldn't go back before defeating Sephiroth. Thus, him searching/hunting down Sephiroth, so that he can "wake from this nightmare". Besides, in Final Mix, Aerith asks Sora to tell Cloud (aka "spikey blonde haired" fella) that, if anything happened to him, she and many others would be sad. So I guess she knew he was after Sephiroth. Maybe in the end Cloud finally found his back to Traverse Town and got picked up by Cid. Either that or he bought himself a Gummi Ship. The final alternative is that he has the power of darkness and thus can slide between worlds like the Heartless, using Kingdom Hearts (i.e. centre of all the worlds).

I agree... she also asks Sora if the spiky haired guy is still searching for "him", which indicates that he was looking for Sephiroth.

Once the worlds were restored, everyone went back to the worlds they were in when the world was destroyed by the Heartless. Cloud was in Hollow Bastion at the time the world was destroyed, so he went back there.

That leaves a question, though, about why Sora didn't go back to Destiny Island. :unsure:

Cuz he's the Keyblade master and can do whatever he wants! Besides, if he went back we wouldn't have a second game.
I think it all has to do with his will. Beast WILLED himself to the Hollow Bastion, and Sora very well could've willed himself to stay in Kingdom Heart to rescue Riku. It helps that as the Keyblade master, I suspect he's been given other special powers.

Yeah, I think Sora has a "greater destiny" than going back to Destiny Island. The Universe needs him! ^_^

Aww... Pity Cloud doesn't have magic world-hopping powers, then. I wonder how we're gonna summon him in CoM, though. If it's like normal summoning, then the idea of Cloud turning into a crystal scares me!

My theory as to what is the relationship between Aeris and Cloud in Kingdom Hearts, is that you need to also look at the fact Cloud was helping Hades. I see their story being parallel to Hercules. In the movie Hercules, Herc makes a deal with Hades to get back his lover who died. What I believe is that Cloud made a deal with Hades in order to bring back Aeris, and the reason he couldn't come back to her was that he still had to fulfill his part to Hades. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.

OOOOOOOOOOH !! You are right!

I didn't remember Megara ACTUALLY died O_O. but then she came back in the movie because I think Hercules died too or she became immortal with him or something.

IT'S LOVEE!

Actually, the deal with Hades went something like this... Hercules would give up his demi-god powers to Hades and, in return, Megara would remain unharmed. When Meg was crushed under the pillar, Hercules regained his powers and went to rescue Megara from the River of Souls. His selfless act made him a true hero and Zeus, true to his word, made Hercules a full god. With his powers, Hercules was able to restore Meg's life.

And, YES, Cloud's role in KH was very similiar to Hercules and Megara in the movie... :D

Ya know, the fact that Cloud sold his soul to the devil is something the CloTi's tend to over look. If he was just looking for Sephiroth, wouldn't selling his soul be counterproductive? But he was willing to sell it to find Aeris.

Mmm, what more could you possibly do to the one you love than sell your soul to the devil. Besides if Cloud was only looking for Sephy in KH I doubt he would call him his light. *giggle* Sephy is more like his darkness. :rolleyes:

I just watched the whole movie! And it's SO similar to FF7 (except some parts), so Hercules just met Megara and it was love at first sight, but then he discovered that she betrayed him because of Hades and then he well... like he was all sad like Cloud but when Herc was attacking that one eyed ogre or something the pillar was about to fall on him and Megara saved him, but she was about to die and the 3 witches cut some thing that was her life and she died, when he arrived and saw her dead he hugged her like Cloud die and started crying, IT LOOKED SO MUCH LIKE AERITH DEATH! He even put Megara aside in a rock and just cried ;_;.. I bet Cloud cried but we just couldn't see, but then Herc went to the underworld and made a deal with Hades, he would stay in the world of the dead and Megara would be revived, but then Herc became immortal and then he went to the world of the gods (Olympus) but he loved Megara and wanted to be with her so he became a mortal again and went to live with her ^_^

as you can see, Hercules just met Megara and he already loved her! XDXDXD

Ooi? I was just talking about this in Devotion! ^_^ Yeah, CloudxAerith is so similar to HercxMeg! I guess that's why I loved the movie! LOL, but I think Cloud got a bit of Meg's role too, since she sold her soul to Hades as well.

yeah, you are right, n_n , here i have a pic of aerith and sora, when she is telling him if he know a guy with a big sword: