These are from the official BC website... It also looks like the Nibelheim flashback has it's own scene.

I'm confused... I thought the events of BC were still happening back in Midgar about a year before the Nibelheim incident. How did it suddenly get to the Nibelheim incident? :unsure:

I'm even more confused now, because AC.net says that the Nibelheim Event is happening and that they're also showing the Promise happening during the Nibelheim Event. The Promise didn't happen during the Nibelheim Event!!! :mad:

Square Enix have released screenshots from the 12th chapter of Before Crisis, out on 13th May. Making an appearence this time is Tifa, Cloud, Zacks and Sephiroth. This chapter takes place in Nibelheim, including some important scenes from FFVII such as Cloud and Tifa's scene at the watertower, and the Mako reactor incident played out in real time.
Source: Advent Children.net

Well... if the Nibelheim incident is already happening, then I hope Square gives us more detail about what was done to Cloud and Zack in Hojo's lab.

Tifa's... cute. As expected. But why is it that her hair is so inconsistent? Sometimes it's black. Sometimes it's brown @_@. I still find Aerith cuter (I'm so biased!).

All I have to say: SEE! TIFA'S EYES ARE BROWN, PEOPLE! BROWN! NOT RED OR RUBY OR WHATEVER! BROWN!!

*Coughs* Sorry, but all this "Tifa has red eyes" talk is making me angry. Only Vincent has red eyes in FFVII. Period. <_<

No, CG. Can't you see? You're obviously blind if you can't see that her eyes are 100% chocolate-covered cherry / wine / ruby / crimson / the shade of the setting sun / rose / blood-red / burgundy / other reddish color that sounds pretty.

Seriously CG, j00 need some glasses. :rolleyes:

:lmao:

Yeah, her eyes were always brown. Vincent's eyes are red for a reason. He's a unique case. Having Tifa possess the same eye-colour by coincidence would ruin that.

And about her hair - I always thought it was a dark brown, not black. Kind-of like a dark chocolate shade of brown. The shades vary from Nomura art, in-game, FMV, Ergheiz, to BC, but I think it's always been brown. It's only in AC it's been changed to black for some reason. <_< She's very pretty, though! Personally, the only thing that bothers me about Tifa is that I think she looks a bit older than fifteen, but I'll overlook that. :whistle: I hope she'll have a decent part in the flashback, because I thought her pre-trauma attitude really rocked. It'd be nice to see a more outgoing Tifa again. ^_^

I'm a little edgy that so much of FFVII's backstory is being revised, but I can't help feeling very curious about it. I find it very interesting that they've decided to add this part of the story...I wonder why they made that decision? How will they reinterpret the events? How will they handle it? So many questions!

I'd be very interested if we learned more about what exactly happened to Cloud and Zack in the labs, too, and on Cloud's "failure" as an experiment.

It's either the translations regarding the report on Tifa being on the 12th chapter are incorrect or inaccurate or it used wrong choice of words OR someone from Square Enix who's making the game or who publicizes the game should review the script for Final Fantasy 7.

To be honest with you guys, I don't like the idea of Tifa being here on Before Crisis. :cry: It makes me... feel bad. I don't wanna blame her or anything but she's like a little troublemaker who's always out to ruin everything... or maybe I should just blame the creators because THEY ALWAYS MAKE HER APPEAR *goes crazy*

gah!

I'm ranting again. Sorry. Word vomit.

Not really. Where is she in KH? :whistle:

I'm half-way with Tifa, I was kinda hoping it'd just be Aeris. But hey, ya know what? Tifa's. Awesome. I'm glad to see her! She looks very cute!
*Siiigh* Just wish I had this game ya know?

Believe me, I do know. I feel your pain. :cry:

Maybe they show a flashback of the Promise scene during the Nibelheim Event...?
I am also looking forward to seeing what things Hojo did to his two specimens!
Oh, ew, that sounded a bit strange and perverted >_<

BC isn't set in a single time period, it's chronologically moving along starting from 6 years prior to FFVII (which they designated "0001"). Around chapter 7 they reached year 0002 (the year the Nibelheim incident occured, 21st September 0002). The first 3 chapters all took place on the same day, but after that it started jumping months at a time.

The watertower scene is probably flashback, it's mentioned with a caption saying Tifa is talking about Cloud to the Shinra team (she mentions him having left 2 years saying he was going to be a SOLDIER).

Thanks, Wilhelm... that makes more sense. I wasn't aware of that.

Then it's just mentioned by Tifa rather than being an actual flashback? And who does she say this to? If she said it to the Shinra troops, it looks like they would reveal that Cloud was there. :unsure:

It sounds like the scene is actually there, the caption is along the lines of "There's also a scene where [you] hear about Cloud from Tifa. The famous scene of the water tower is there too", I guess something like in the original game when they start off taking about it and it fades to the flashback.

You aren't told who she's telling it to, I just put Shinra team since that's most likely who (asking them if they know Cloud, since they're SOLDIERS).

Maybe Cloud is there while she's talking and tries to stop anyone saying he's there, or asked them beforehand not to say anything about him.

I guess we'll just have to wait to find out more. Thanks for letting us know about it, Wilhelm.

Now, they'd best start giving us more about Aerith!!

Uggghhh... It's not like I hate Tifa, but I knida wish she wasn't in this game. :no:


The horrid amount Cloti crap has now been tripled because of this. <_<

But hey, If she's important to the story, whatever...



:cleris: There, I feel much better now.
:envy: Mmm... even better :devil:

Maybe SE couldn't make up their mind? In some of the merchandises, like the Tifa resin statues, she's shown to have black hair but in others, they're dark brown. Which is why I'm always in a dilemma whenever I'm gonna color my Tifa artworks, so I make two versions: one with black hair and one with brown :whistle:.

I wouldn't go so far as to call it Cloti... It's Tifa who's talking about Cloud, and it's Tifa who's remembering the Promise. The only thing we see from Cloud is embarrassment that he didn't live up to being a SOLDIER. Don't assume what Cloud feels from the actions of Tifa. ;)

If Cloud's overhearing Tifa say this, it makes me wonder even more why he forgot about the Promise in the Seventh Heaven. If Cloud remembered the photograph being taken and he remembered the talk with his mother, why wouldn't he remember the Promise after hearing Tifa talk about it to the Shinra team if it meant something to him?

Heh heh, they never say anything when Aerith appears in another game with Cloud :lol:

This game still doesn't change anything. BC won't change the events in FFVII, so we all know how it ends up. :rolleyes:

You bloody right CG!!! :cleris:

First, I'd like to say I really, really want to play this game for the Turks alone. Now with the added characters (uber bonus) I'm gnawing at my nails in anticipation.

About the quote, I think we sometimes forget what kind of state Cloud is in when Tifa inquires about the Promise. I don't believe he reacts the way he does because he doesn't care or forgot, but his mind still isn't right. He believes he was in SOLDIER when we all know he wasn't. Tifa said herself he remembered things he shouldn't and didn't know things he should have. He knew Zack very well yet didn't seem to know who he was when Aeris spoke to him about it nor when they visited his parents. He never once said "Zack...that name is familiar". I think the Promise lies in that area as well considering he didn't fulfill that Promise based on his "false memories" at the time.

If Cloud's "mental condition" was so terrible, why did he recognize Tifa in the train station when he got to Midgar before she recognized him? Tifa said that he remembered things he shouldn't because she didn't realize he was there during the Nibelheim Event. Cloud remembered Jenova, he remembered reading a lengthy letter in Tifa's room word per word, he remembered the conversation with his mother, he remembered the photograph taken, he remembered the trip up the mountain, he remembered confronting Sephiroth in the Jenova chamber, he remembered Hojo, he remembered President Shinra, he recognized that the people living in Nibelheim weren't the original residents of the town, and many other things. Cloud even remembered carrying Tifa to the side in the Mt. Nibel reactor - which was the only correlation to the Promise within his other confused memories - but why would he forget making the Promise? The Promise wasn't made within the context of his other confused memories.

That's true. The only things he did forget were the Promise, him being not in SOLDIER in the first place, Tifa's accident in the bridge, Zack's death and his true role in the Nibelheim incident. He remembered everything else.

Well, he also realized that he had a lesser extent in motion sickness, but...

I still don't find it fair to say the Promise meant absolutely nothing to him just on the fact that he apparently didn't remember when him remembering in the first place was optional and to the players' discretion. According to this logic, Cloud obviously didn't care a thing about Zack because he couldn't even remember his existence.

Umm... The promise scene wasn't that important to the game in general. To argue that it was is only personal opinion. Did Cloud remembering the promise scene make Sephiroth stab himself and stop meteor? No. It was simply a plot point. It had no part in the main theme of the game.

And a LOT of things in that game are optional. Example being the different versions of the Highwind scene. Some people still don't think that it being optional matters WEN IT COMS 2 PROOOVING CLOD AN TEEFAS LURVE. An awkward pause, tears of rejection and a black screen was never so sexy. :rolleyes:

Cloud talking only about meeting Aeris in the end WASN'T optional, however. People still like to ignore it.

In the first place, Cloud forgetting the Promise isn't optional. He forgets it in the Seventh Heaven regardless of choices the player has made.

In the second place, all other events that Cloud confused and/or forgot about were traumatic to him. The Nibelheim event resulted in Cloud's hometown burning to the ground, his mother dying, Zack getting injured, Tifa's father getting killed, Tifa being injured, and other residents getting injured or killed. Being experimented upon in Hojo's lab for five years was also most likely traumatic.

People who experience traumatic events will sometimes distance themselves from what happened by either forgetting about them entirely or by remembering them incorrectly. All events that Cloud confused and/or forgot about were traumatic - except one: the Promise.

Since the Promise was not a traumatic event, then trauma doesn't explain why Cloud didn't remember it. He forgot about it for some other reason. IF it had been meaningful to him, IF it had been one moment of joy in his dark and dismal childhood, IF it was supposed to be significant to him, then it should be the only thing that Cloud DOES remember.

I agree, CG - very good point. :rolleyes:

Man, this is starting to feel like the LTD. :ermm:

I agree. It didn't really affect much, except that Tifa used it to make him stay with AVALANCHE. It was also the first memory that you see from his childhood, I believe. I just don't see why people weigh so heavily on it. In Chrono Cross, Serge and Leena had a childhood promise, that you can also optionally forget or remember, and it also has nothing to do with the central plot. :rolleyes:

I'm very curious to play BC now that not only Aerith is in it running with the old AVALANCHE crew, but now Tifa is in it and I'm wondering if they'll show how the AVALANCHE we know in FF7 was formed.

As for the promise, I thought it was always there to serve as a stable memory for Cloud later on in the lifestream so he'd have a starting point for figuring out the truth. :unsure:

There is something incoherent here. His memories of Zack are blurred so much so that the mention of Zack's name and Zack being in SOLDIER doesn't even rake up these memories. These are so-called "the confused memories"
The promise is another case altogether. Tifa's probing and pleas eventually made CLoud remembered the promise. This promise, in my opinion, is categorised under "forgotten memories". Forgotten, but not confused. These two are very different cases. :)

So suddenly the Promise isn't important to the storyline because I made an attempt to defend it's meaning? My intention was never to turn this into a second "LTD" but it appears when my opinion differs from the masses, that's apparently what I'm doing. I'm suppose to be open-minded to everyone elses' opinions, but I get ganged on for mine. I'm really not wanting to make this into some big issue, but before I move further, that is how I feel. I suppose I'm just not your conventional Cleris supporter.

All I'm saying is just because Cloud 'forgot' the Promise doesn't mean it's not important to him. I believe all of his memories based off of Nibelheim were either forgotten or screwed up. I'm not even saying the Promise had any romantic context to it, I'm only saying that it still was important since it was that memory that helped Cloud remember the rest of his childhood and piece his past together. But I think I'll just keep my opinions to myself from now on.

PA, similarly it is others' opinions if they think that The Promise isn't that important to the game. I believe it is important in the sense that it is the link to Cloud's past, but not romantically from Cloud's point of view.

Why do you think we ganged up on you? If you read my post carefuly, you would notice I simply disprove what you said about the promise lying in the same category as memories of Zack, which I don't believe so.
You have every right to voice your opinions, and everyone else has their rights to agree or disagree and voice their own opinions too. Is there any problem with that? Unless you expect only nods for your opinions, I do not think your rights are being infringed in anyway. :)

It's alright if you disagree, PA, we aren't trying to force our opinions on you or anything. We all have our OWN opinions here, but apparently you missed that. -_- I didn't think we were ganging up on you by posting in this thread after you did. It's a thread, and we're free to post in it, or not, if we feel like it. I didn't see anyone cussing you out, and only a couple of people strongly disagreed with you. It's not as though you've never disagreed with us, is it? :rolleyes: I was fine, and I wasn't against anything that you said, but if you're going to play the part of a victim because a few people disagreed with you, then I'll have to ask you to just chill, it ain't so serious. We aren't out to stifle your opinions. <_<

If I were the only one who saw it that way, I wouldn't have bothered making a statement about it. Maybe it's just the way some people come across at times.

Hm. Who are the other cleris at this forum who are feeling oppressed, so much so that you had to "make a statement"? :unsure: Most of the people I see here tend to get along fine with each other, so who apart from you is having trouble? :(

I'm actually the guilty party here, Seii. :whistle:

I encouraged PA to let you guys know how she felt, so it's more my fault if you think things have been stirred-up a bit. :blush:

I have some more to say about The Promise and if it is or isn't meaningful (don't we have another thread for this, though?), but I'll get round to that later, because I'm very tired and need sleep... :yawn:

Ok, I know it's different with you Hyper, but like I said, only a couple of us even disagreed with her. No one visciously attacked her like a piece of meat!! :rolleyes: It's fine if she disagrees, we aren't out for blood, jeez. <_<

We're all full of luv in this place. :lol:

On a serious note though. Just let us know the problem so we can try to sort it out. Don't assume prematurely that we're here to "gang up" on someone just because we disagree with him/her.

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