I was reading my FFVII script, and get to the part when Cloud sleeps in Aerith's house, where he remembers his mother telling him this:
Cloud's mother: "You should have..."
"an older girlfriend, one that'll take care of you."
"I think that would be the perfect type for you."

He also remembers that in the flashback in Kalm (If you entered Cloud's house, while you could in the flashback). But in the Lifestream, we were shown that he never went to his house, when he returned to Nibelheim 5 years ago. So how did he made the idea, that an older girlfriend would be the perfect type for him?

Also we have this:
Cait Sith: "Is that so? Then I'll tell you."
"Looks good. You are perfect for each other!"
"Aerith's star and Cloud's star! They show a great future!"
"Cloud, I'll be your matchmaker, preacher... I'll do whatever you want me to!"
"You just call me when it all happens!"

See, we have been told that Cloud and Aerith are perfect for each other. Not only once, but TWICE. May I ask what are your thoughts on this?

An interesting observation, Clerith-son... Wasn't it said somewhere that astrology played a big role in the storyline of the game, or at least in character development (which is why all the characters are given specific birthdates)? I have no doubt that if that's the case, the two are connected.

So, does astrology prove Clorith once and for all? :lol:

I'm not sure...it's not like Aerith told him her age the first time they met. He had no way of knowing she was older than him, especially as she was naive and childlike. :unsure:

I'm not saying that he knew that Aerith was older than him, but that was funny, and interesting, that we're given the fact that an older girlfriend was perfect for Cloud. :cleris:

Really? Where did you read that? That's really intersting, because of Cait Sith's words, about Cloud's Star, and Aerith's Star showing a great future.

I think that there are many more factors, that proves Clorith, but if what you say is ok, and Astrology is part of the character development, then I would say that Astrology is another big factor. I think I'll ask my grandma, she knows all that Astrology stuff, she must know. :lol:

Cloud's mother and Caitsith were the two huge things that got me playing the game first time as a kid, I remember screaming shrilly pointing at the screen-Aeris is older!!, Aeris is older!!, the manual says so. Those were the two things I noticed in the game that supported Clorith even before I examined deeper. Though Western astrology wise Cloud and Aeris aren't really a great match. Funnily enough Aeris and Tifa is. =(

But Aeris and Cloud are perfect for eachother anyway.

The Quaballa is a massive influence in the game however. The charcter development is pararrell to the ten spheres, and Aeris and Clouds positioned can be swapped too-which I think tells us something about how perfect they are for eachother.

Really? Aerith and Tifa? Starts having thoughts... ... ... No, no, no... Swaps outs those thoughts. :P

Quaballa? Can you please explain us, what's that, and how it works Everchanging? That Quaballa stuff, sounds really interesting.

True, a Leo's best match would be an Aries, as far as I'm aware. Still, from what I've read, there are worse matches than Leo and Aquarius. Heh, not that it really matters too much when considering Cloud and Aerith's relationship, but it's fun to see how their starsigns match up. I think in FFVII, fortunes are more important than starsigns though. And the fortunes just so happen to support CxA as well. :woot:

The Quaballa sounds interesting to me too! Do tell us more, Everchanging!

I might try and find a piccie. But I know like all of the main characters can be stuffed on the ten steps of the sephira. I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what Clouds position means, but he is Kether, I know that Aeris is Tipheret-she's peace and beauty and Death and Rebirth-but believe me you can switch Cloud and Aeris' places. I found Yuffie was malkuth which is materialism and the symbol was young queen which I find too funny for words.

But the Quaballa is a huge theme running all through FF7. There's quites some Quaballa in most manga's really isn't there though? It's interesting to check it out though.


(Although I would say Aeris is exactly like an Aquarious, I don't see Cloud as much of a Leo)

I found Something about Quaballa, regarding Cloud and Aerith's respective Sephirah:

Cloud (Kether):
http://www.farheavens.com/tkether1.html
http://www.spirit-alembic.com/kether.html

Aerith (Tiphereth):
http://www.farheavens.com/ttiphereth1.html
http://www.spirit-alembic.com/tiphereth.html

Actually, I think it may be in one of the essays from Destiny Fulfilled... but don't quote me on that.


I swear I came across a website that discussed Kaballah themes in FF7 in great detail (and quite convincingly, interestingly enough). But, I have no memory whatsoever of the URL...

Nope... it wasn't on DF. I discussed Cait Sith's predictions, but I didn't discuss either Astrology or the Kaballah.

Being a Leo myself, I know there's several signs that go well with Leo. A relationship between Aquarius and Leo can be absolutely perfect or it can be absolutely terrible. It'll be one or the other, but there's nothing definite about which way it'll work out. CloudxAerith is an example of AquariusxLeo working out perfectly. :cleris:

Bad, Aly!! Buhon TOLD everyone not to quote him and you did it anyway! The shame ... :P

I'm a Leo, and was rather obsessed with the whole astro thing at one point. I remember Taurus (Tifa) was supposed to be wrong for Leo, because I liked a guy, who I thought was a Taurus (turned out to be a Gemini), and it really made me mad! I felt tricked. <_< And I remember I was heavily creeped out, because what I kept seeing was "Aquarius and Leo are the best match!!" because my dad was an Aquarius ... :blink:

I remember, Leo is supposed to be with Aquarius, Sagittarius, or Aries. ;)

Since we're talking Astrology, here's some stuff from my "Sun Sign Personality Guide"

Leo Man with Taurus Woman(Cloud and Tifa)
Ms. Taurus is most security-oriented---both materially and emotionally. So buy her daffodils, bring her to a French restaurant, and over the peach melba, croon "It had to be you" Suddenly, she's yours and may even forget to eat the ice cream. Join a health club immediately since she's already started to plan her menus.
This woman loves to nurture and to be nurtured. Even her plants have come to think of her as Mother. The domestic duties that depress you seem to delight her. However, before you decide to sit back and wonder when dinner will be ready, you might keep in mind a handy little fact:nothing in this world is free and this girl also has a price. It's called marriage and it's a highly motivating factor. Her life means nothing to her without it but that's not necessarily how you feel about yours. If your need to wander exceeds your need for approval, Ms Taurus may make you feel that you have as much freedom as her coffee grinder. Even if she became the first woman President to lead the first exploration of Mars, she would feel a sense of failure if she were not also a wife and mother.
If you're up for the midnight marathons, the seven course dinners, a loyal devoted wife, mother and executive housekeeper, you're on! But two words of warning:watch your temper and flirtations. Next to Scorpio, this woman is the most jealous and possesive of the signs and when you get her angry, for whatever reason, a grudge is born that will never quite be buried. Her silences can make you thing you're living in a Trappist monastery. But at this point,don't try to argue, just kiss her since nothing will make her change her mind.
But what's more important, winning a point or winning her love?

Leo Man with Aquarius Woman(Cloud and Aerith)
Marry her, and you'll have your private social worker, psychotherapist and recreational director. But that's only if you ever get the chance to see her.
Chances are, she knows more people than a politician---and they all occupy a special place in her heart. When it comes to people, she has an inexhaustible attention span and a penchant for helping lost souls. The phone probably rings till dawn and the doorbell till at least twelve-thirty. At ten-o-clock, you find her lavishing warmth on the lovelorn, while at 2 am, she deserts you to aid a friend just jailed for inciting a protest riot in a geriatric clinic. Sometimes, you feel that you're sleeping in a social welfare unit. At such moments, you yell, frown, grumble a lot and sometimes kick the sofa. On her way out the door, she'll inquire if you're not feeling well and you've got sixty seconds to answer before you hear it slam.
Her mind is so far-out that you stop going to the movies. What you would call a human zoo, she refers to as the basis of utopia. Her thoughts are in the future while your heart is in the present, but with patience, you can combine them into one loving and totally madcap time span. However, if you insist on using force, you'll only drive her away.
Despite her universal friendliness, this woman is frightened of emotional intimacy. She is at once loving and kind, freedom-loving, and impersonal. Don't try to figure her out, just love her. Through your love and encouragement, she will gain a sense of self, and through her infinite patience and understanding, your feelings may unfold into universal love

Leo and Aquarius seems to work better :angel:

To have that really mean something, you need to find out if everyone's personalities match with their sign really well. I'm a Pisces and they aren't supposed to get along well at all with Gemini's in romantic relationships, yet I'm engaged to one. I'm the text book Pisces and he is almost nothing like his sign. So just to make sure these are as accurate as possible, we need to match up the personalities with the signs. ^_^

Yes, my father and my mother are Gemini and Pisces, respectively, and even if they have had some serious disscusions, well, 20 years doesn't happen just because of luck.

Also, I don't think that Astronomy, is a definitve factor that proves Cloud and Aerith's relationship. Yes, it might be a factor, but there are bigger factors that make them a perfect couple, if you want to know the biggest factor, is that they perfectly compliment each other, in every sense.

Yeah, but we aren't talking about real life though. The signs were picked for specifics reasons pertaining to the characters personalities and their relationships. Sure, they may not be 100% accurate in real life, but they are symbolic to the story and the characters. ;)

Well, my mom and dad are Leo and Taurus respectively, and it was a clash of personalities and they ended up getting divorced after 14 years. I know real-life isn't being applied to this, but that Leo and Taurus pairing definitely didn't work out at all.

As a Taurus woman, that description of Miss. Marry-Me there scared the heck out of me. There's something very worrying about that lady-type's priorities, I thinl. I'm glad that I'm nothing like that! :lol:

Though I do know another Taurus girl (no, not Tifa) who is, which also worries me... :ermm: I could tell you guys some stories! :lol:

I know using their horoscopes is a little far-fetched but it's still fun to see how accurate they can get.
For example, this:

Very Aerith, eh?
And this made me laugh:

Which site did you guys get this info from? I have some already but I need more... I wanna check mine. :lol:

In the case of astrology.....

Leo (fire sign) and Aquarius (air sign) are compatible, as far as I'm concerned. There may be little bickering at times but it can be settled easily because Leo has the capacity to strangely understand the Aquarius sign. O_o'
The air makes the fire burn stronger and brighter.

My parents are a Leo-Aquarius match and they're still together after all these years. ;)

Trust me, pair up a Leo with a Taurus and expect catastrophe because most Leos think Taurus people like to steal their spotlight and Taurus people tend to act like know-alls and..... tend to act like Tifa Lockheart. (no offense to all the Taurus here :devil:) I have this groupmate for my thesis and she's Taurus. We argued a lot. I even wanted to kill her because she's such a suck-up to everyone and she likes to hog the work! O_o'