I don't remember where I heard this but somewhere I heard someone mentioning that a Cloti said that blue not pink was the color of love and since the sky was blueish in the promise scene with Cloud and Tifa, that means they're in love.

I know I'm trying to be serious here but I just need to say this, "Utter bullcrap!"

I recall saying in another thread that when I visited the Japan area of Epcot at Disney World inside a store, I saw these little cat statues. They were all different colors and they'd bring you good luck in a certain subject depending on what color they were.

Examples:

Gold = money and fourtune
Green = Academics
Pink = Friendship and romance

Notice that the Pink cat statues are suppose bring good luck in friendship and love not the blue. In fact I can't even remember if there were any blue ones.

Now if a rabid Cloti was here, they'd probably say "But those are from Japan! Japanese culture has nothing to do with Final Fantasy 7!"

Well even in America, Pink represents love. Usually Valentines Day decorations have hearts that you put on windows. Those hearts are usually red, pink, or white. I have never seen a blue Valentine heart.

Also I have these little braclets that are like the little cat statues that I was talking about earlier. Each color was suppose to be good luck for something. I have a blue bracelet and it was suppose to bring good luck in health while the pink bracelets are suppose to bring good luck in... guess what? ... love and friendship.

Finally if blue really was the color of love... well let's just say the pairings in the Final Fantasy games would've been really awkward and I'll just leave it at that.

Thank you if you take the time to read this.

That is crap! Here are some quotes I found from a site

And you're right, Lady Anime, pink is just as universal as red in denoting love.

I've always understood blue to mean peace, calm, or sadness, as in "feeling blue" but not explicitly love. Besides, so what if the sky was blueish during the Promise Scene?! Of.Course.It. Is.Blue.It.Is.The.Sky!!! The sky is significant on other occasions besides the promise scene, as we have discussed in this thread

When we say that someone is "feeling blue", don't we mean that they're feeling down and unhappy? It certainly doesn't mean that they're in love. :lol: One meaning of blue as an adjective in Mirriam Webster's dictionary is:

3 a : low in spirits : MELANCHOLY b : marked by low spirits : DEPRESSING <a blue funk> <things looked blue>

And what about the blues in music? Aren't those songs usually melancholy?

Colours can mean whatever you make them mean, so I wouldn't base anything on them no matter what couple you support. :rolleyes:
But then again it's always fun to speculate...

I always have thought it this way. Cloud is represented by the color blue because, well, he can get very depressed and he's male. Tifa's the color black as, in my opinion, she's a very tragic character and Aeris is the color pink for obvious reasons.

But if we want to color pairings...:rolleyes:

Cloaer --> Blue + Pink = Traditional, Male + Female. :)
Cloti ---> Black + Blue = Bruises? :blink:

OMFGWTFSTFUCLOUDISAWIFEBEATERROFLMFAO!!`1


:rolleyes:

:lmao:

I thought this was interesting:

Before discussing matters of appearance in Geisha, it is important to note the significance of the color red. There is a word in Japanese, ko itten, which means "touch of scarlet." The word is used as an affectionate term for women, especially Geisha girls. The use of the color red in dress and makeup is very significant to Japanese society. Red is denoted as a color of beauty and happiness. Red undergarments are thought to ward off menstrual pain and keep the female reproductive organs healthy and functioning. Red is also thought to be erotic to men. Geishas traditionally wear crimson lining under their kimonos (depending on season)as well as bright red lipstick made from safflower extract and red rouge, made from the petals of crimson flowers.
Source: Art of a Geisha

And here are the traditional shades of red in Japan: Traditional shades of red in Japan It looks to me as if they consider pink to be a shade of red. :rolleyes:

I thought the sky was pretty black in that scene, not blue... o.0;

Unless blue is the new pink/red in modern standards, that's pretty much fancy thinking...

Why do they associate Tifa with blue anyways? Because she wore that blue dress in one scene? <_<

:lol: Probably so. But Tifa wearing blue still doesn't mean "love" anyway? And who came up with the idea that "blue" means love? I would have been the first one to choke on Valentine's day receiving a blue heart shaped candy. :lol:

Blue is depression, the color of sorrow. I think that was studied in Psychology... I'll tell you when I begin to study it. :D

I've never thought of 'blue' as a Tifa color, actually. But then again, Tifa and sorrow could be associated in that sense.... :unsure:

But like Andina said, colors could mean anything you want them to mean, so I don't think the use of color to interpret things isn't very reliable in debates...

I always thought Cloud was the one who should be represented by blue, so "blue" being Tifa's color makes no sense. The only characters I can think of having the color 'blue' are Cloud and Rinoa, but as Rinoa is from a completely different universe, well, she can't really apply.

I think where she got that from was mood rings. Blue is supposed to mean happy and in love. ...Yeah I am a hippie child. :blush: But yeah, that's likely where she got that from. :lol:

I've been meaning to reply to this post for a while! Great topic, Lady Anime! ^_^

I agree - blue hasn't represented love in anything I've seen to date. I think that was one of the strangest CloTi arguments I've heard in a while (Seii lifted it from an essay she MST'd, right?). Trying to add romance to the childhood promise scene by arguing that Tifa's dress is the colour of love seems more than a bit off, to me. I've never seen blue represent love. If you quiz a group of people by showing them colours and asking them to associate the colour with an emotion, I think only a small minority (if that!) will associate blue with love. I believe the majority would associate love (and more positive feelings in general) with pink or red.

I've done some thinking, and these are some of the symbols the colour blue traditionally embodies (I'm afraid I'm leaning heavily towards Western tradition here, but if the CloTis start citing Japanese culture to prove their point, then I think I'm not going to stop laughing for a while).

* Male youth (the idea of choosing the colour blue for boys, and pink for girls).
* Vastness, endlessness, eternity (the colour of the ocean and the sky)
* Calm, relaxation (the blue of water)
* Depression, sorrow (feeling blue, The Blues style of music, etc).
* Mystery (colour of the intangible)
* Healing (blue is associated with regeneration and health spiritually)
* Innocence, purity, virginity (the Virgin Mary was depicted as wearing blue, so the colour has taken on that additional reference in the Western world).
* Wealth (the reason the Virgin Mary was portrayed wearing blue is because blue was actually the most expensive colour available, and so it was used as the colour of her clothing).
* The throat (blue is the energy colour of the throat chakra)

From Goethe's Theory of Colours:

As yellow is always accompanied with light, so it may be said that blue still brings a principle of darkness with it. This colour has a peculiar and almost indescribable effect on the eye. As a hue, it is powerful, but it is on the negative side, and in its highest purity is, as it were, a stimulating negation. Its appearance, then, is a kind of contradiction between excitement and repose.

Here's a quote from the anime site Kusari Yarou mentioned earlier that discusses the use of blue in Japan:

Blue was associated with the sea rather than the sky, but by the same token, it also represents motherhood as the sea surrounds, protects, and sustains the islands of Japan.

It looks like pink/red is universally accepted as the colour of love (unless someone else would like to throw in another cultural view?). Then again, Rinoa's regular outfit is blue and she's FFVIII's romantic lead! What do you make of that? :rolleyes:

Actually, Sefie did that one :D It was an essay by Angel Tifa

Squall wore dark black and white, so Rinoa needed lots of color. Besides that, maybe she just looks good in light blue?

Cool! Er, I mean...how could I not have given my beloved Sefie enough credit? ::angsts:: :sad:

Rinoa wears white as well sometimes, but I think it's not a "colour of love" thing, so much as using blue to represent spiritual strength and purity, because of her ongoing angel motif.

I think it's pretty much the same deal with Tifa - her wearing blue as a child isn't supposed to represent childhood love, but something else. Innocence? Sadness? Calm? Protectiveness? I think plenty of those could represent her character. ^_^

Or maybe Nomura just felt like putting both girls in blue cause it's a pretty colour. :lol:

OMg how pathetic can Clotis gget..
this is like basics of colour and common sense..
first:
blue= cool colour
pink= warm colour

Now, just using common sense, would a COOL colour represent something like love?? hmmm..I wonder... if it does, WHY ARE HEARTS NOT BLUE BUT RED??

the promise land scene? :huh:
dont remember that happening i thought that was cloudxaerith not unless it was the one at the end of ff7 one. :lol:

:lmao: but how pathetic can they all get :lmao:

Not "promised land scene", "promise scene", as in the scene at the well when Cloud and Tifa were children. :P You know, the only time they ever actually talked as children, and Tifa begged Cloud to come save her some day? :yawn:

oh :lmao: :whistle:

read too fast yet again but the sky wasnt blue really it was like black almost wasnt it??? :huh:

It was a dark blue or navy. The way the sky looks around that time of night usually anyway.

i cant remember but still thats kinda crazy :crazy:

cause i thought blue ment Depression, sorrow and thats what cloud was in :lmao:

Ahh yes. Blue. My favorite color ever. :wub: I think it means depression, sorrow and calmness. ^_^ (But personally it's a happy color for me. :P) But the color blue suits Cloud and his personality well, so I don't believe I have to say more. :cloud:

And that would be pretty weird to see blue hearts at Valentines Day. But...Veeery beautiful. I would die from happiness. Blue, blue, blue... :woot:

Blue color of love <_< Just...no
Well to be honest, I think it's just somebody's thoughts about color.
I never considered red or pink, love it's just a colour for me
nothing more. And the blue and pink thing for boy's and girls.
I never supported that idea :no: Someone made it up at that time.
But yeah that's me. I'm a girl and never whore pink...so I'm not a girl?
you get that idea...but offcourse, clotis are desperate

it figures :rolleyes:



Blue is my fav. color to :D

I've heard the quote "my heart is blue", indicating sadness. :D
I also always looked at blue as being the colour of confusion, or any other emotion but love.

What really gets on my nerve is when Clotis deny the insertion of Japanese culture and symbolism in FF7 and any other games...

Okay, why the heck wouldn't there be any? It's a JAPANESE game made by JAPANESE people originally made for JAPANESE gamers--why wouldn't they put a bit of their culture, huh?! :mad:

They also say, "Why would SE put so much symbolism in FF7..non-Japanese gamers wouldn't understand!" They put more symbolism in FF7 than any other game, because FF7 was the first game they tenatively tried out without cutting or simplifying it for US gamers! I mean, come on, look at the horrible translations!

And blue definately is not the color of love. There's a saying called, "I'm feelin' blue..." That means being sad not esatically in love.

It can also mean feeling lonely, or because of unrequited love. :whistle: That's about as close as it gets for the relationship between the colour "blue" and "love". :D

Wait, wait, WAIIIT. They're saying the the sky being BLUE is supportive of Clotis? That's odd.....I thought the sky was USUALLY blue.... :whistle:

:lmao:

Seriously. Cloti's really have to find better evidence.....that's just pathetic if they think it's because the sky is blue.....

It's so much easier to prove that :cleris: is better. ^__^ :fangirl:

Yeah. That would be like me running up to my mom and saying "MOM! I WAS TALKING TO THIS GUY AND HE MUST BE MY SOULMATE BECAUSE THE SKY WAS BLUE!!!!! IT WAS BLUE I TELL YOU!!!!!!!!!" My mom would cart me off to the asylum. ^_^

And besides, its a Japanese game..xD

Indeed. ^_^

:lmao: You know Our Promise, the Cloti fanlisting site? It's black, yeah, but the owner had to add some pink to it.
Why not blue, dork? Isn't that your colour of love? :lmao: