This is an official message from the collective Tuatha, directed at the Brathair Prasgan.

The Tuatha has a history with one of your members, Holymeth. After he stopped talking sense to us (this is not a joke), and after he publically stated one of our fellows should be 'shot dead in an alley', he is no longer a guest of the Tuatha.

At that time, Holymeth was still member Etruria.

Until now, the Brathair membership of Holymeth has been of no concern to us.

This receantly changed, when he made two attempts to spread misinformation about the Tuatha:

• To the RRA, he said we were soon-to-be members of the BoN.
• To you, Brathair Prasgan, he stated we would be mercenaries. I know this because one of your members inquired about this.

Both these statements by Holymeth are ungrounded.

Yesterday, he badmouthed us in public on the Roma Victor boards.

Thus we have have concluded that Holymeth is trying to slander the Tuatha.

We ask for your explanation.

I have heard about the incident with one of your members. Though I don't know the details of what happened, I can assure those were the words of one fool and are not the ideas of Brathair.

For the "soon-to-be members" comment: I believe Meth has simply been overconfident. That being said, we do very much wish that Tuatha will join the BoN, though it is obviously not as certain as Meth believed it to be.

I think I remember the mercenaries comment. I thought it was more "Tuatha could be mercenaries" than it was "Tuatha are mercenaries." By my reading, this means that even though you may not become our allies, you may still aid us in war. Personally, I see no insult in the statement, though if you do I'm sure Meth would be happy to apologise for the misunderstanding.

I believe he "badmouthed" the Tuatha out of frustration, though that is certainly no excuse. I'm certain he will edit his post to remove it as soon as possible.

I don't believe he is trying to slander Tuatha, but you are justified in believing so. If you have any other questions or accusations I'd be happy to address them if I can.

This is the official Brathair response?

Yes. I confirm that what Kaso said is Brathair's official response, as I'm sure Bthizle and Xenophon would say the same.

Very well. Thank you for your time.

As always, you're welcome.

The source(s) you have heard 1&2 from changed what I had said. I never said you guiys would. I only said that you may or probally would. Also, I have edited my thing on RV forums.


Demson, I hope Drus doesnt know about the "incident" on RV forums. I dont why the person did that, my heart goes out to her. If she does know she must be distraught at such a thing, i for one am, and am angry at whom ever posted such a thing.

EDIT: Sorry for confusion ...

1. To the RRA, he said we were soon-to-be members of the BoN.

2. To you, Brathair Prasgan, he stated we would be mercenaries. I know this because one of your members inquired about this.

Those are 1&2

Yes, Kaso's responce was well said.

I just wanted to throw this in, not as a responce to this whole deal, but as a reminder. This is a game guys, I mean seriously it's great that we are all taking it like an RPG that means something to us, but please remember that it is an online RPG and there are always people that get into arguments with certian clans/members. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to RP before the game comes out, infact I think it can only help the RV community, all I am suggesting is that we tone it down a bit and stop all these slanders etc....That goes to everyone.

As for our two guilds relation, should your respect for our guild as a whole go down because of this? No, it shouldn't because Meth was simply RPing and may have taken it a bit to serious.However if your respect for our guild does indeed go down I would also understand because every member of BP acts as a representative and should be held in the same regard as anyone of us.

So in conclusion I hope this does not effect our guild's stance towards eachother and hopefully we can actually learn from this and perhaps grow to be allies.

I would like to bring to my defense; My own posts.

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These guilds are the current members of Brotherhood of Nations:

APEX- Joined offically June 13.







IF you see that I do not have one please PM me and let me add them .... though they really must be a member of BoN

Here are those not in BoN as far as I know and are barbarian.

Tuatha
Nervii
Fulk
Etruia*
Fuilteach*
Ephidii*
Sin Times*
Clan Brigantes(?)
Fedei(?)

* They are under 7 members
(?) Unknown if they exist still or are barbarian


This post has been edited by Xenophon on Jun 16 2005, 12:54 AM
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This was posted on the Council forums .... notice i did not add tuatha on the list, for they never said they would.

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Trade is always good. What we must realise is that the Celts and Romans are not natural enemies. Remember that, after the leadership was replaced, Celtic society was part of the Roman Empire for a long, long time. It is a complicated situation. Celts can't be compared with, for example, Carthage. Many Celts had Roman citizenship without being Latinised. There is a difference between the two.

Hiring the Tuatha as a mercenary (auxiliary?) force might be completely possible. It's also possible we'll be anti-Roman. It will depend on how everything falls into place in-game, and how the NPC Empire will deal with our new-born 'faction'.

Personally I forsee that the Tuatha will try to not intervere with the Roman Imperial rule too much at all. We'll want the usual Wealth and Glory, but the emperor can eat our loincoths for all we care. biggrin.gif Such is life at the Roman frontier.

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This thingy I recently got of the RPvRV site is a post by Demson to lEgio Draco I beleive. I am now wondering if the are applicable for a BoN member. For they clearly state they are ok with Romans, and they will most likely have some very "friendly" contracts with ROmans, for they even suggest becoming a merc guild.
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As isaid on that post, igot it from Demsons post to Legio Draco, and isaid that Tuatha may be Mercs.

My apologies regarding the claim to spread misinformation. It seems I was the one who was misinformed. My sources stated quite clearly that Holymeth was spreading misinformation, although with hindsight I admit I should have been more careful with the Brathair source.

However, the insult still stands.

I am unsure what to make of this. Is holymeth hostile to us or not?

I agree that he is frustrated with us. I think this frustration is on a personal level, not in-character.

He claimed we are arrogant and do not listen to other guilds. He stated this in public, in the face of new forum residents.

We do not see this as an act of roleplay. In our experience, he has never made a clear difference between IC and OOC. This belief is supported by the fact that he made an OOC statement prior to the sentence in which he claimed we are arrogant.

What futher raises question marks with me personally: he has not apologised for this act yet he shows compassion and concern?

Regarding the subject of diplomatic relationships between Brathair and Tuatha: I can not say anything on that at the present time.

Woa, you got all this from Meth? I cant read his posts at the best of times, but I hope we can remain friends. I also hope this has'nt hurt your decision on the BoN whether your joining or not remains pure speculation.

Regards,
Nulli"woodchuckles"Secundus.

No.

Personal? Yes, for tuatha has been harsh to me in my opinion. (not-in-character) ..... I dont know what that means, but if it measns i am voicing my guild, then no, for most in this guuild want your guild ... yet in MY opinion, you will not accept, for your guild has always been wary, and will have much to lose by this agreement ... if you still wish to have peace with Romans.

I was not in a stable state then, I was mad, both in anger. I apoligize for that, but that makes no differnce.

Quite truefully, I dont know what those are. Really, I dont.

Yes they are, have you guys recently talked to Fuilteach lately? Matteo; the leader seems very hostile to romans. Also I think the Ephidii are too.

I did apoligize, I edited the post too. I have also proven that I did not say that you guys would 100% be merc and 100% BoN members .... therefore, it is not I whom has to apoligize, but rather your source.



Also, I really am sincere about that post, I was enraged when iread that, I even notified ever mod ... yes, Moon and Jug too.


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Also, I doint hate Tuathe, Im over that, I admit I did, yet I have talked to many people about my problems and such (Primus has been soo much help, for it seems he was like me) and i have learned not to be so rash. Also, whom ever and who will tell others of such things about the guild, please make sure your info is right, for you see it has caused this great misunderstanding, putting a fellow innocent member in the line of fire. If you sqeaul, make sure your own guys dont here you either. I have also decided that the RRA can be left alone. They are mighty dangerous for their greed and craftyiness. For I think one in the RRA took advantage of my ideas and such and sharpend them into a weapon.

If I have missed somethngi, please point your figner at it. For I do not see what I need to apoligize for.

Hello Demson, how are things with the Tuatha? Talk in our forums, for the moment, has been pretty slow (slow for our regular posting that is). I was worried for a while that the Tuatha wheren't reading their guest forums and that my BoN post would go un-noticed.

Anyways, here is my two cents on things:

Meth told me about this. While he may have acted as an... idiot while belonging with Eturia, we don't tolerate much crap like that. Meth told me that isn't going to go off the handle like that while being a member of our guild. So far, the meth in our guild has a different (and in my opinion better) personality. He has cleaned up what he posts and has supplied variety of worthy information on the topics in both the public and especially the private forums.

While I admit he may once and a while slip and post something.... he shouldn't he generally is a great guy and I, for one, don't regret accepting him as a member.

I believe he meant, that if things go well that Tuatha would be BoN members. It is more of a personal hope then a statement of fact.

Now this is an interesting thing to say. If I remember correctly you guys stated (somewhere) that you might be mercenaries for other guilds. Meth, told us that the it would be a good idea to hire the Tuatha (or something along those lines).

As a side note, is that true? Are you going to be thinking of selling your services as swordarms?

Best of luck, though many attempts have failed or become useless(Lombarb league, Barbarian UN, and other such alliances)

Are you sure about this? I don't see the reason Meth would have to post such a thing, it would serve no purpose but enflame the Tuatha, which is the last thing we (the Brathair) and he wants.

If it is true, then it was likely a lapse (or brain cramp) and typed something he personally was thinking at the time ( a result of anger or frustration directed towards your guild for one reason or another). These thoughts don't parrell the offical views of the Brathair. While I can't speak for each member I can safely say that most respect you for your selective recruitement and your diplomacy (you just don't sign a alliance with every joe blow in Roma Victor).

How true. Fellow members of the Brathair take this to heart, when you post on any forum that is about Roma Victor you must realize what you say will be seen as what the guild also says or believes. A level of proffesionalism is needed if you are going to post something that the community will see.

I can vouch for this. It was made about a week ago. The Tuatha where never assumed to be members of BoN. Though, I do admit, it was hoped they would in time.

Likely because it was not. I wonder, though, when was this post made? Meth told me he was banned from Tuatha forums until... november :unsure: ? He told that he was banned when he was apart of Eturia, and I find it likely that when he said it, it was around the time when Tuatha, Nervii, and Eturia all got together and talked about the Nervii war (against Eturia). If it is, then it was likely attempt at small 'victory' against a guild that had outplayed them on almost all levels (I read the whole msn chat two times now... and one from Eturia point of view).

As you wish, though we all know that Tuatha see the Brathair less after this event. I will not waste time wishing things played out differently, instead I will spend my time striving to make better relations with our guilds.

Are you still open to diplomatic contact Demson? If so maybe one day (when I get home from work) we can have a chat and see where things can go from there.

Xeno.

May I remind you this was an inquiry. The goal of this message was to leave you with the room to explain this situation before we jumped to decisions.

Our intention wasn't to accuse Holymeth of a crime. We don't mind if he would be hostile to us. We would mind if we hadn't been aware of it.

Of course - hostilities between members reflects on diplomatic relationships. Which was the thought behind the inquiry.

I concur Holymeth posted the remark about arrogance. I read it myself.

As Holymeth claimed he did not mean it as a deliberate act of present aggression, I will leave it at that. Though I am still annoyed personally that we were percieved as arrogant and do not listen to other guilds. I feel we've always made an effort to reply in honesty to other guilds.

In regards to the mercenary statement - it was ripped out of it's context.

I meant to state how little we knew about out future. By the looks of it, the Tuatha will be a sovereign guild in-game. We might have some mercenary units to create a bit of revenue, but that's it.


Regarding the Tuatha - we're doing quite well. I realise we might appear to be silent - let me assure you it is only an appearance. Most of my fellows are quite reluctant to respond to diplomatic threads because of previous events. Which is exactly why we appointed one single diplomatic source for other guilds.

We receantly appointed another diplomat. We'll announce him soo. He'll be the one who responds to your invitation. So keep a sharp look-out.


Thank you for your answers. They have been read and will be considered by my fellows.

I think I dealt with all posts then. It's kind of hot here and I just got home, so I might have msised something. Let me know if I did.

Ah, I see.

I believe that is the gist of everything. I don't know if there is anymore we have to add.

Glad to see your guild is still going strong. Our is doing well too, just most don't post now (which isn't stunning or upsetting since we have talked just about everything with each member holding about 200-300 posts).