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 The only problem i have with Gore, His stance on guns
FellowDemocrat
Posted: Sep 17 2005, 07:18 PM
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I believe that Gore's stance on guns is too strong. With this said, i know that this issue was a determining factor in why alot of people didn't vote for him in 2000. Take a look at this:

40% of all US homes have guns

81% of Americans say that gun control will be an important issue in determining which Congressional candidate to vote for.

I personally know quite a few people that would have voted Democratic in 2000 and 2004 but because of the gun issue.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 12:42 AM
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You sound like a mouthpiece for the extremist NRA whose view that any nut should be able to own a gun is why the crime rate is so high. The crime rates in Eurpoe and Canada are significantly lower than in the U.S. becasue guns aren't so readily available there as they are in the U.S. Are you also opposed to drivers licenses for example? For the record, Al Gore's call for sensible gun control in 2000 gained him many votes, especially among women.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 10:51 AM
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My family owns guns. We have a right to. But it's assault weapons that's the problem. I don't understand how somebody could not support gun control after Columbine and the DC area sniper.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 10:57 AM
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For the record, I support the 2nd Amendment. I don't think it is a good thing that only the police and military have guns. However, I don't think the precludes regulation.
To own and drive a car, you have to pass a test and get a drivers licence, register the car and buy auto insurance for it.
I believe that these same things all be applied to gun ownership. You could even give the NRA the contract for administering the tests.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 11:06 AM
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Hi fellow dem, nice to see you over here.

I used to care more about guns, but now I see it as this

Abortion/choice is legal and we want it kept that way. Therefore I will not doing anything to go against any other amendment at this time.

Besides, the gun people are going to be the last line of defense possibly with Bush around.

Right now, guns are not anywhere on my issue board.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE (greyfox @ Sep 18 2005, 09:51 AM)
My family owns guns.  We have a right to.  But it's assault weapons that's the problem.  I don't understand how somebody could not support gun control after Columbine and the DC area sniper.

I have nothing against decent people owning guns, but the way things are now, it is too easy for criminals to get their hands on guns. I'm always hearing on the local news about drive-by shootings gang related shootings, bank robberies and other criminal activity where these criminals are armed. Something has to be done to take the guns out of the hands of criminals. Too many people that have guns shouldn't have guns. That is very scary.

As for assault weapons, I don't think anyone should be permitted to own them and keep them in their homes. Why would they need them, if they weren't up to no good????? It's seems to me only a criminal, like a drug dealer or twisted killers like the DC snipers would want assault weapons.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 01:04 PM
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You sound like a mouthpiece for the extremist NRA whose view that any nut should be able to own a gun is why the crime rate is so high. The crime rates in Eurpoe and Canada are significantly lower than in the U.S. becasue guns aren't so readily available there as they are in the U.S. Are you also opposed to drivers licenses for example? For the record, Al Gore's call for sensible gun control in 2000 gained him many votes, especially among women.

Actually, crime rates there are lower because their people are spread out over a larger area... not to mention that most people there own guns (Nice example is Canada... watch "Bowling for Columbine"). I do agree with certain things he was saying, just not the AWB and the Brady bill.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 01:06 PM
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My family owns guns. We have a right to. But it's assault weapons that's the problem. I don't understand how somebody could not support gun control after Columbine and the DC area sniper.

Well, the ABW was bs... look into my other post regarding guns. Certain steps of gun control are good... you know, like Project Exile (Which took the guns out of the criminals and left the guns with the law abiding citizens... and it was NRA endorsed).
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 01:19 PM
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My family owns guns. We have a right to. But it's assault weapons that's the problem. I don't understand how somebody could not support gun control after Columbine and the DC area sniper.

Because guns don't kill people, people do.


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For the record, I support the 2nd Amendment. I don't think it is a good thing that only the police and military have guns. However, I don't think the precludes regulation.
To own and drive a car, you have to pass a test and get a drivers licence, register the car and buy auto insurance for it.
I believe that these same things all be applied to gun ownership. You could even give the NRA the contract for administering the tests.

Well, as is, you have to be 18 to buy a rifle and 21 to buy a handgun. In order to buy one, there is a backround check. To buy a fully-auto weapon, you go through the same steps and more. You have to sign something called a "form 4" which lets everyone and their moms look at your history.


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Hi fellow dem, nice to see you over here.

I used to care more about guns, but now I see it as this

Abortion/choice is legal and we want it kept that way. Therefore I will not doing anything to go against any other amendment at this time.

Besides, the gun people are going to be the last line of defense possibly with Bush around.

Right now, guns are not anywhere on my issue board.

Thanks for the comments.


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I have nothing against decent people owning guns, but the way things are now, it is too easy for criminals to get their hands on guns. I'm always hearing on the local news about drive-by shootings gang related shootings, bank robberies and other criminal activity where these criminals are armed. Something has to be done to take the guns out of the hands of criminals. Too many people that have guns shouldn't have guns. That is very scary.

As for assault weapons, I don't think anyone should be permitted to own them and keep them in their homes. Why would they need them, if they weren't up to no good????? It's seems to me only a criminal, like a drug dealer or twisted killers like the DC snipers would want assault weapons.

Yes, i agree, but by banning these guns, all that is doing is taking them away from the law abiding citizens and we will be left with the criminals having them. Something has to be done? I agree... implement Project Exile all over the country.

Their definition of an "Assault weapon" was bogus. Look into my other thread for more info on this. Why would they need them? Again, look into my other thread. Your last sentence made me laugh... quit stereotyping lol.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 01:22 PM
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You have got to be kidding me! Who needs those type of guns for hunting, protection, or any of the things you listed?

I am sorry, but I am pro-gun control. A member of my family was murdered a few years back by a person who illegally had a gun in their posession. Guns serve no purpose; none whatsoever.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 01:58 PM
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As for assault weapons, I don't think anyone should be permitted to own them and keep them in their homes. Why would they need them, if they weren't up to no good????? It's seems to me only a criminal, like a drug dealer or twisted killers like the DC snipers would want assault weapons.


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Your last sentence made me laugh... quit stereotyping lol.


My last sentence made you laugh???? That's sick. If you think it's O.K. for drug dealers and snipers to have assault weapons, than I wonder about you.

If you're obsessed with guns, that's your business, but you don't have to shove it down our throats and those of us who are for gun control.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 02:05 PM
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It's seems to me only a criminal, like a drug dealer or twisted killers like the DC snipers would want assault weapons.

This made me laugh in the sense that it was so rediculous. Only criminals want AR-15's? So, i guess i'm a criminal then. Along with me, all of the law abiding AR-15 owners out there are criminals. Ok, that makes a lot of sense. ::Sarcasm:: This is the exact attitude that draws the gun vote away from us Democrats.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 02:10 PM
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No, you're the one being ridiculous and it also appears to me that you don't give a damn about the innocent people killed by guns in the wrong hands everyday in this country. If you think it is a joke that killers, drug dealers have easy access to assault weapons, than this whole conversation is pointless.

And so are your insults.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 02:29 PM
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No, you're the one being ridiculous and it also appears to me that you don't give a damn about the innocent people killed by guns in the wrong hands everyday in this country. If you think it is a joke that killers, drug dealers have easy access to assault weapons, than this whole conversation is pointless.

And so are your insults.

I am being rediculous eh? Why, because i am for good gun control? Because, i think that the AWB and the Brady bill were bogus? Why am i rediculous when thinking the way you expressed that sentence was funny? When one is thinking obliviously to the length that you did, it was rediculous. No, i don't think those problems were a joke. Yes, i do care about them... that is why i am for gun control that will work. Banning guns won't work. Taking guns out of the hands of criminals will work. But, since you think you know me so well, you can think what you want.
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Posted: Sep 18 2005, 02:57 PM
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I think everyone needs to give a little more respect to fellow dem and understand where he's coming from.

With that said, I think assault weapons should be banned. They make it much easier for criminals to cause robberies and go on killing sprees. It is a fact that the violent crime rate drastically went down while Clinton was President (and hence gun control legislation).

What it comes down to is, if gun control is going to save ONE person from harm's way, the ends justify the means. By banning assault weapons, it is much harder for terrorists to get their hands on them.

Fellow Dem, out of curiosity, what do you need a 50 calibur sniper rifle, armor piercing bullets, and assault rifles for?
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