Title: The Case for Gore Obama
JamesAquila - April 24, 2008 01:14 AM (GMT)
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| The Case for Gore Obama by neuroscott Hillary Clinton has risen from the dead more times that Count Dracula. She’s sending shudders down the Democratic establishment. However, the more primaries she wins the less popular she becomes. Indeed, with Hillary’s likeability rating hovering around 35% -- a virtual untenable number for a candidate who hopes to win the presidency – her only shot at winning the Democratic nomination lies in tarnishing Obama. Hence the paradox, the better she does against Obama the more despised she becomes among the younger and better-educated voters that represent the future of the Democratic Party. Hillary is drawing kudos from conservative commentators for her tenacity. Her single-minded willingness to fracture her party in order to win the nomination is reminiscent of George W. Bush’s obsessive quest to "win" in Iraq even if it means destroying the U.S. military, the dollar and America’s strategic position. The scorched-earth self-righteous obliviousness of the two "leaders" is more than a little eerie. No wonder right-wing pundits are singing Hillary’s praises; they recognize in her a kindred spirit. Hillary’s penchant for distorting the truth, her top-down management style, her us vs. them outlook and her proclivity to pander to the lowest common denominator make her seem like a liberal mirror-image of that discredited "compassionate conservative," George W. Bush. I don’t believe the United States can withstand another four to eight years with a polarizing politician who has trouble acknowledging the truth and can never admit they’re wrong. Hillary, however, has exposed significant weaknesses in Obama’s candidacy. The first African American candidate with a chance at winning the presidency has trouble connecting with the so-called Reagan Democrats. I’d like to think this has more to do with the fact that many of the blue-collar workers that have trouble with Obama are anti-intellectual rather than racially bigoted. To be fair, Hillary also has to contend with stereotypes and misogynistic attitudes that unfairly hamper her ability to be judged on the basis of her message, record and character. Hillary probably cannot catch Obama in terms of the pledged delegates or the popular vote count. But her efforts to pin the "elitist" label on her rival could well cost Democrats the election in November. It would be a catastrophe for the Democratic Party, the country and progressive values if the Clinton’s perpetual selfishness helps hand the White House to George Bush’s designated successor, John McCain. The best way to avoid political suicide -- particularly if Obama cannot convincingly close the deal in the remaining contests – would be for Democrats to turn to Al Gore to head the ticket with Obama as his running mate. For those of us who support Obama – and see in him the potential to be a great president and a champion for progressive values – a decision on his part to accept the vice-presidential nomination would be disappointment, unless Al Gore headed the ticket. But a decision of that kind on his part would be in keeping with the kind of character Obama has displayed; he would be putting the needs of his country and his party above his own. More importantly, a Gore/Obama ticket would almost certainly present the most formidable team the Democrat’s could field in 2008. Indeed, a Gore/Obama victory would put the final nail in the coffin of the catastrophically tragic Bush era. Presidential campaigns need to articulate grand narratives. Hillary has failed to do this. Indeed, it seems woefully clear that she lacks the capacity to be a figure that educates the public. Gore and Obama, however, are both leaders with the kind of vision and judgment to chart a new course for the United States after the debacle of Bush’s failed presidency. They were the only two major figures in the Democratic Party, incidentally, to speak out forcefully against the Iraq War, the torture and abuse sanctioned by the Bush administration and Bush’s other abuses of power. Hillary loses my respect when she refers to Obama’s prescience on the war as "just a speech." Speaking out against the war was an act of political courage, a quality that is difficult to associate with the competent but dismayingly prosaic and politically expedient Clintons.Electing Gore and Obama would signal to the world that America has atoned for the morally hideous aberration of Bush/Cheney. Neither the seventy-one year old McCain nor the baggage-saddled Clinton has quite what it takes to turn the page the way Gore and Obama would. |
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 01:47 AM (GMT)
More and more, the case for Gore/Obama seems plausible. I'm beginning to think it could work. Just today, the question has been raised as to why Obama hasn't wrapped it up yet. Of course, he is definitely the front-runner here, but if people begin to have doubts as to whether he can beat McCain, Gore could be just what the doctor, er, the American people ordererd.
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andrewv1 - April 24, 2008 04:09 AM (GMT)
Good article above....
What part of Texas are you in?
Houston here.
What part of Texas are you in?
Houston here.
earthmother - April 24, 2008 05:10 AM (GMT)
It's interesting and encouraging to read that an Obama supporter such as the person who wrote that piece would be willing to accept Gore in the top spot with Obama as his running mate.
Wayne in WA State - April 24, 2008 07:09 AM (GMT)
Thank you James for that interesting article. Eight years of President Gore followed by eight years of President Obama just might be able to undo most of the damage of Emperor Cheney and his Boy Wonder George. :!: There's no law yet that says we can't hope. :Y:
Let's hear it for Gore-Obama :good: The GO team
If not, then Obama-Kerry would at least be OK :coolwink:
Let's hear it for Gore-Obama :good: The GO team
If not, then Obama-Kerry would at least be OK :coolwink:
Alpha Gore Omega - April 24, 2008 08:50 AM (GMT)
This has just appeared on RealClearPolitics.com
Gore fest
The democratic race is getting messy, which can only mean one thing: it’s time to recruit Al Gore
By: STEVEN STARK
4/23/2008 2:57:05 PM
In the wake of Barack Obama’s defeat in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, the Democrats have a huge problem. On the one hand, they have a front-runner who hasn’t won a single one of the major primary states other than his own, who’s a neophyte on the national scene, and who has enormous difficulties attracting the white, non–college educated voters he needs to win. On the other, there’s Hillary Clinton — a candidate who has greatly diminished her stature on the campaign trail, who faces huge liabilities of her own (in part because of her gender and in part because of Clinton fatigue), and whose chances of winning in November would require her to thread an Electoral College needle.
Furthermore, the long, bitter campaign has produced an untenable result: a large portion of each camp’s supporters now say they are unlikely to support the intra-party rival should their candidate not win the nomination.
Therefore, if the Democrats want to have their best chance to win an election in November that six months ago it looked like they couldn’t lose, they may have only one option at this point: they can turn to Al Gore.
In truth, Gore would be a stronger candidate in November than the two front-runners. He knows what it’s like to run in a tough presidential campaign, which, as we’re finding out with Obama, is a huge advantage. He is, after all, a Nobel Prize winner; he has the advantage of now running from outside Washington even though he’s as experienced as John McCain; and he might be able to pick off a Southern state or two. He’s already won once — with an asterisk. And he could put the electoral focus back on the economy and the Republican record of the past eight years — a record likely to continue as long as Clinton or Obama is the nominee.
Sure, Gore’s entry would obviously not be greeted with waves of enthusiasm by Obama supporters. Still, he is quite popular with one of the Illinois senator’s principal constituencies: the young.
Against all odds
It’s true that drafting a new candidate at this point would be unprecedented. But the virtually deadlocked race between the two remaining candidates makes it at least possible.
Several things would have to occur — and quickly. First, some senior Democrats — with the help, perhaps, of a former presidential candidate, such as John Edwards — would have to publicly urge Gore to make a run. It would help matters enormously if this group included former supporters of Clinton and Obama.
Second, though not required, a write-in campaign could be mounted in one of the remaining states, such as Kentucky or Oregon, on May 20, or Montana or South Dakota, on June 3. The advantage of Oregon is that, historically, at least one candidate — Jerry Brown in 1976 — ran a strong third there as a write-in.
The advantage of Kentucky, Montana, or South Dakota is that neither of the present front-runners looks particularly strong on paper in those contests. Furthermore, because those states are relatively small, a well-funded write-in campaign might have a chance to be successful. (Success in this case doesn’t mean winning, just doing “better than expected.”) The key, of course, is to raise the necessary money to mount such a campaign. But in the Internet age — with the right backing — it might be pulled off.
Third, a bloc of superdelegates would have to declare for the putative candidate. Again, this isn’t impossible. There are about 25 Edwards delegates still out there that might be persuaded by Edwards himself — so that’s a start. Plus, there are enough horrified and disgruntled party elders who would welcome an alternative, if they thought they wouldn’t be making fools of themselves by going out on a limb for a candidate with no chance of being successful.
Finally, a Gore draft would eventually need the support of either Bill or Hillary. While the Clinton effort has begun to succeed in its argument that Obama has major weaknesses, it is time for its principals to realize that Hillary is never going to succeed in the camp’s second necessary argument: that she should be the alternative. She’s never going to catch Obama in the elected delegate count. And her initial high poll negatives (that have never been reduced) — combined with the way she has alienated Obama’s supporters — make her now an almost certain loser in November.
So, if she and Bill care about the party and nation and truly believe that Obama is unelectable — an unpopular but defensible argument — they have, really, only two choices. They can throw in with an effort to draft their former protégé. (A Gore and Newark mayor Cory Booker ticket?) Or they can continue to indulge their illusions and send their party hurtling toward disaster.
Gore fest
The democratic race is getting messy, which can only mean one thing: it’s time to recruit Al Gore
By: STEVEN STARK
4/23/2008 2:57:05 PM
In the wake of Barack Obama’s defeat in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, the Democrats have a huge problem. On the one hand, they have a front-runner who hasn’t won a single one of the major primary states other than his own, who’s a neophyte on the national scene, and who has enormous difficulties attracting the white, non–college educated voters he needs to win. On the other, there’s Hillary Clinton — a candidate who has greatly diminished her stature on the campaign trail, who faces huge liabilities of her own (in part because of her gender and in part because of Clinton fatigue), and whose chances of winning in November would require her to thread an Electoral College needle.
Furthermore, the long, bitter campaign has produced an untenable result: a large portion of each camp’s supporters now say they are unlikely to support the intra-party rival should their candidate not win the nomination.
Therefore, if the Democrats want to have their best chance to win an election in November that six months ago it looked like they couldn’t lose, they may have only one option at this point: they can turn to Al Gore.
In truth, Gore would be a stronger candidate in November than the two front-runners. He knows what it’s like to run in a tough presidential campaign, which, as we’re finding out with Obama, is a huge advantage. He is, after all, a Nobel Prize winner; he has the advantage of now running from outside Washington even though he’s as experienced as John McCain; and he might be able to pick off a Southern state or two. He’s already won once — with an asterisk. And he could put the electoral focus back on the economy and the Republican record of the past eight years — a record likely to continue as long as Clinton or Obama is the nominee.
Sure, Gore’s entry would obviously not be greeted with waves of enthusiasm by Obama supporters. Still, he is quite popular with one of the Illinois senator’s principal constituencies: the young.
Against all odds
It’s true that drafting a new candidate at this point would be unprecedented. But the virtually deadlocked race between the two remaining candidates makes it at least possible.
Several things would have to occur — and quickly. First, some senior Democrats — with the help, perhaps, of a former presidential candidate, such as John Edwards — would have to publicly urge Gore to make a run. It would help matters enormously if this group included former supporters of Clinton and Obama.
Second, though not required, a write-in campaign could be mounted in one of the remaining states, such as Kentucky or Oregon, on May 20, or Montana or South Dakota, on June 3. The advantage of Oregon is that, historically, at least one candidate — Jerry Brown in 1976 — ran a strong third there as a write-in.
The advantage of Kentucky, Montana, or South Dakota is that neither of the present front-runners looks particularly strong on paper in those contests. Furthermore, because those states are relatively small, a well-funded write-in campaign might have a chance to be successful. (Success in this case doesn’t mean winning, just doing “better than expected.”) The key, of course, is to raise the necessary money to mount such a campaign. But in the Internet age — with the right backing — it might be pulled off.
Third, a bloc of superdelegates would have to declare for the putative candidate. Again, this isn’t impossible. There are about 25 Edwards delegates still out there that might be persuaded by Edwards himself — so that’s a start. Plus, there are enough horrified and disgruntled party elders who would welcome an alternative, if they thought they wouldn’t be making fools of themselves by going out on a limb for a candidate with no chance of being successful.
Finally, a Gore draft would eventually need the support of either Bill or Hillary. While the Clinton effort has begun to succeed in its argument that Obama has major weaknesses, it is time for its principals to realize that Hillary is never going to succeed in the camp’s second necessary argument: that she should be the alternative. She’s never going to catch Obama in the elected delegate count. And her initial high poll negatives (that have never been reduced) — combined with the way she has alienated Obama’s supporters — make her now an almost certain loser in November.
So, if she and Bill care about the party and nation and truly believe that Obama is unelectable — an unpopular but defensible argument — they have, really, only two choices. They can throw in with an effort to draft their former protégé. (A Gore and Newark mayor Cory Booker ticket?) Or they can continue to indulge their illusions and send their party hurtling toward disaster.
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 01:58 PM (GMT)
Wayne, funny picture. :D I loved the old Batman show.
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 02:00 PM (GMT)
Alpha, very good article. Thanks for posting it. There are definitely some good points made here.
hangingchad - April 24, 2008 02:02 PM (GMT)
I find the following quote from the article to be as outrageous and infuriating as the same types of sentiments I'm reading from Donna Brazile and other Obamabots who, infuriatingly, are part of the DNC which should be NEUTRAL, but anyway:
"Her single-minded willingness to fracture her party in order to win the nomination is reminiscent of George W. Bush’s obsessive quest to "win" in Iraq even if it means destroying the U.S. military..."
A candidate has every right to run until there is no mathematical chance of her or him winning. That is called the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.* It is a fundamental STRENGTH of our democracy and it is NOT "fracturing the party". Such statements remind me of when repugs in Congress were accusing Dems who opposed taking us to war in Iraq of being "treasonous". NO, not treason, DISSENT. Not unpatriotic, PATRIOTIC. Not divisive or weakening, STRENGTHENING. Well, it is the same with Hillary's refusal to get out of the race yet. Why the flip should she get out, she has a chance of winning the nomination, despite Dean and Brazile's concerted and continual effort to subvert the process.
edited to add: All that said...I would be thrilled with a Gore/Obama ticket *LOL*!!! I'd be more thrilled with a Gore/anyone else ticket, but I'll take Gore/Obama and I'll still dance in the streets!
* further edited to add: As Bill Clinton recently said "When someone tells you to quit, it's because they are afraid you won't." U GO, Bill. Tell it like it is!
"Her single-minded willingness to fracture her party in order to win the nomination is reminiscent of George W. Bush’s obsessive quest to "win" in Iraq even if it means destroying the U.S. military..."
A candidate has every right to run until there is no mathematical chance of her or him winning. That is called the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.* It is a fundamental STRENGTH of our democracy and it is NOT "fracturing the party". Such statements remind me of when repugs in Congress were accusing Dems who opposed taking us to war in Iraq of being "treasonous". NO, not treason, DISSENT. Not unpatriotic, PATRIOTIC. Not divisive or weakening, STRENGTHENING. Well, it is the same with Hillary's refusal to get out of the race yet. Why the flip should she get out, she has a chance of winning the nomination, despite Dean and Brazile's concerted and continual effort to subvert the process.
edited to add: All that said...I would be thrilled with a Gore/Obama ticket *LOL*!!! I'd be more thrilled with a Gore/anyone else ticket, but I'll take Gore/Obama and I'll still dance in the streets!
* further edited to add: As Bill Clinton recently said "When someone tells you to quit, it's because they are afraid you won't." U GO, Bill. Tell it like it is!
hangingchad - April 24, 2008 02:08 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Wayne in WA State @ Apr 24 2008, 03:09 AM) |
| If not, then Obama-Kerry would at least be OK |
:!: Take me now, Lord.
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 02:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hangingchad @ Apr 24 2008, 08:08 AM) | ||
:!: Take me now, Lord. |
C'mon HC. Would you prefer McCain-Rice or McCain-Jeb Bush instead?? :unsure:
hangingchad - April 24, 2008 02:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Texan for Gore) |
| C'mon HC. Would you prefer McCain-Rice or McCain-Jeb Bush instead?? :unsure: |
:unsure:
:o
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 02:18 PM (GMT)
Does that mean you're not sure??
hangingchad - April 24, 2008 02:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Texan for Gore @ Apr 24 2008, 10:18 AM) |
| Does that mean you're not sure?? |
:unsure: = o. m. g.
:o = Oh, the horror. THE HORROR.
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 02:29 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (hangingchad @ Apr 24 2008, 08:21 AM) | ||
:unsure: = o. m. g. :o = Oh, the horror. THE HORROR. |
I may be dense here, but what do you mean by that?
ReElectAlGore2008 - April 24, 2008 05:16 PM (GMT)
IF AL GORE DON'T TAKE EITHER POSTION
I would be more than happy to avenge thefts with Kerry on Obama's ticket
We need to avenge the thefts of 2000, 2002(Max), 2004, 2006(Ned) by the ClintonBushcabalfamilyinc. by getting even.
The #1 most important thing in 2008 is to insure A BUSH AND CLINTON NEVER GET ANY POSITION OF POWER AGAIN
Matter of fact the only power I would want them to have is after being tried for treason the jolt of the electric chair runs through their bodies. Maybe then the Constitution can stand proud once again.
Try Impeach Prosecute Convict Punish
TIPC(That can be Hillary's new name, being that she is now practicing to be a drunk anyhow) We can call her TIPC(Try Impeach Prosecute Convict)
I would be more than happy to avenge thefts with Kerry on Obama's ticket
We need to avenge the thefts of 2000, 2002(Max), 2004, 2006(Ned) by the ClintonBushcabalfamilyinc. by getting even.
The #1 most important thing in 2008 is to insure A BUSH AND CLINTON NEVER GET ANY POSITION OF POWER AGAIN
Matter of fact the only power I would want them to have is after being tried for treason the jolt of the electric chair runs through their bodies. Maybe then the Constitution can stand proud once again.
Try Impeach Prosecute Convict Punish
TIPC(That can be Hillary's new name, being that she is now practicing to be a drunk anyhow) We can call her TIPC(Try Impeach Prosecute Convict)
hangingchad - April 24, 2008 06:07 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Texan for Gore @ Apr 24 2008, 10:18 AM) |
| Does that mean you're not sure? |
| QUOTE (hangingchad @ Apr 24 2008, 08:21 AM) |
| :unsure: = o. m. g. :o = Oh, the horror. THE HORROR. |
| QUOTE (Texan for Gore @ Apr 24 2008, 10:18 AM) |
| I may be dense here, but what do you mean by that? |
I mean you don't present a gal with any good choices in that scenario! :lol:
I would have to stay home in bed in the fetal position, I'm afraid. Unless Earthmother works on me enough so that, by that time (Nov.), I would actually vote for Obama if it came to it. But as of now...I'd be home crying if those were my choices. Home crying, not out voting.
:(
edited to add: But now, I say again, Gore/Obama? I'M THERE! I will simply avert my eyes from the VP area of the ticket and vote away based on the top. I'll be there before the polls even open, baby. Gore/anyone = hangingchad in line by 7:04 a.m.
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 06:21 PM (GMT)
Okay. I understand. Guess that'd be like having to choose between dying by being hit by a train or by jumping out of a plane (with no parachute). :blink: I know you're not thrilled with Kerry - or Obama and that you have your reasons.
Both Obamabots and Hillbots are definitely faced with some tough decisions - if the other side comes out on top - which is why I think that makes Gore emerging on the scene more and more appealing. Those who can't imagine voting for Obama would have an alternative. And Obama fans could maybe be happy if Obama were on the ticket. Especially since people are beginning to question whether he can defeat McCain. It would be a win-win situation for Democrats and I hope the idea spreads like wildfire in the coming weeks. :D
Both Obamabots and Hillbots are definitely faced with some tough decisions - if the other side comes out on top - which is why I think that makes Gore emerging on the scene more and more appealing. Those who can't imagine voting for Obama would have an alternative. And Obama fans could maybe be happy if Obama were on the ticket. Especially since people are beginning to question whether he can defeat McCain. It would be a win-win situation for Democrats and I hope the idea spreads like wildfire in the coming weeks. :D
ReElectAlGore2008 - April 24, 2008 07:15 PM (GMT)
Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi are going to decide it in June according to harry Reid today. That will end it. THANK GOD and Jimmy Carter
there won't be a brokered
good riddance to Hillary
That is the #1 and only thing that matters
there won't be a brokered
good riddance to Hillary
That is the #1 and only thing that matters
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 07:38 PM (GMT)
Clay, where did you hear that?? I know Howard Dean would LIKE for it to be over, but they can't decide by themselves and if neither gets to 2025 - its brokered convention or bust!!
ReElectAlGore2008 - April 24, 2008 08:51 PM (GMT)
Will find the link
JamesAquila - April 24, 2008 08:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Texan for Gore @ Apr 24 2008, 02:38 PM) |
| Clay, where did you hear that?? |
Most likely from one of the voices in his head! :laugh:
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 09:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Apr 24 2008, 02:51 PM) |
| Will find the link |
You do that. I'm sure this will be news to the super delegates and that they would be thrilled not to have to decide the election. :P
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 09:12 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (JamesAquila @ Apr 24 2008, 02:56 PM) | ||
Most likely from one of the voices in his head! :laugh: |
:laugh:
You guys crack me up. :D
ReElectAlGore2008 - April 24, 2008 09:25 PM (GMT)
it's a pain the rear end to put links down because of the I can't cut/paste on this board and only this board
but here goes
hand typed
No, its not my imagination
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/040...nomination.html
but here goes
hand typed
No, its not my imagination
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/040...nomination.html
Texan for Gore - April 24, 2008 09:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Apr 24 2008, 01:15 PM) |
| Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi are going to decide it in June according to harry Reid today. That will end it. THANK GOD and Jimmy Carter there won't be a brokered good riddance to Hillary That is the #1 and only thing that matters |
How did you draw your conclusion based on this article??
April 24, 2008
Categories: Campaigns
Reid, Pelosi, Dean may intervene in nomination
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday that he may have to push undecided superdelegates to make their decisions in the Democratic presidential race, if the contest stretches into June.
Reid said he would consider writing a joint letter with Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) demanding that superdelegates make their endorsements public.
“The three of us, we may write a joint letter [to superdelegates],” said Reid. “We might do individual letters. We are in contact with each other.”
Reid's comments suggest that the party’s top three officials are contemplating a high-level intervention if the primary season concludes in June without a nominee and many superdelegates still undecided.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.)'s 9-point victory over Sen. Barack Obama (D-ill.) in Tuesday's Pennsylvania Democratic primary means that the contentious nomination fight will likely continue into the summer. As the race continues to tighten, the decisions of the undecided superdelegates could determine the final outcome.
Both Dean and Reid have made no secret of their desire to see the nomination fight end by the end of June.
However, Reid aides warned people not to read too much into his newest comments.
"Sen. Reid was talking about the possibility of simply sending a letter to superdelegates after the primary process is over to encourage them to make their support known," said Rodell Mollineau, Reid's communications director.
"His statement today was nothing more than a reiteration of his past comments that most superdelegates should be in a position after June 3rd to make a decision and make their support known. No one should read any further into it than that."
Stacie Paxton, a spokeswoman for the DNC, declined to discuss any potential letter to superdelegates.
"I will just reiterate that Dean has said for some time now that he is encouraging the unpledged delegates to make their intentions known by July 1 so this doesn't go to the convention," Paxton said.
Reid, who himself has not endorsed, said he would not rush any of the superdelegates for now.
"People will have plenty of opportunity after the last primary on June 2 to make a decision about what they are going to do," he said.
However, when asked by a reporter if he would be forced to weigh in on the race, Reid replied, "I might have to."
The Senate majority leader also hinted that another high-profile superdelegate could be making an endorsement in the coming days.
Reid said he met Wednesday with all of the Senate committee chairman, and that one chairman told him he was going to make an endorsement decision "soon."
When asked in the hallway if he was the committee chairman in question, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden (D-Del.) delivered an emphatic "no."
UPDATE: Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said Pelosi has no "specific plans for a letter" to superdelegates.
"She is not opposed to the idea [of a letter] but does not have any plans to do so,” said Daly. Like Dean and Reid, Pelosi has expressed her desire to see the nomination wrapped up before July.
ReElectAlGore2008 - April 24, 2008 09:43 PM (GMT)
note-in the interim time since I read this, the article has been updated and altered
obviously this was not really meant for public release so Harry and Nancy gotta make it seem like they are backing off
obviously this was not really meant for public release so Harry and Nancy gotta make it seem like they are backing off
andrewv1 - April 24, 2008 11:30 PM (GMT)
Is this a Joke?
Would like to get people's opinions this;
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/23/19.../234/350/502066
Would like to get people's opinions this;
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/23/19.../234/350/502066
JamesAquila - April 24, 2008 11:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Apr 24 2008, 04:43 PM) |
| note-in the interim time since I read this, the article has been updated and altered |
And if you beleive that one, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you. :tongue:
JamesAquila - April 24, 2008 11:40 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (andrewv1 @ Apr 24 2008, 06:30 PM) |
| Is this a Joke? Would like to get people's opinions this; http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/23/19.../234/350/502066 |
Sounds like a fake.
Does anyone know where Gore was last Tuesday?
ReElectAlGore2008 - April 24, 2008 11:45 PM (GMT)
Be very, very, very careful.
BTW- I voted I LIKE IT!!!
This could be a dirty trick by Hillary, to force Gore to say NEVER in a million years
and make him give an answer sooner rather than later.
If this is being done by Dean, though I am all for it, because Obama/Dean/Gore are one in tandem, so my reservations would be somewhat allieved.
But I think this is either a trial balloon or a Hillary dirty trick.
BTW- I voted I LIKE IT!!!
This could be a dirty trick by Hillary, to force Gore to say NEVER in a million years
and make him give an answer sooner rather than later.
If this is being done by Dean, though I am all for it, because Obama/Dean/Gore are one in tandem, so my reservations would be somewhat allieved.
But I think this is either a trial balloon or a Hillary dirty trick.
algorerocks - April 24, 2008 11:57 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Texan for Gore @ Apr 24 2008, 03:41 PM) | ||
How did you draw your conclusion based on this article?? April 24, 2008 Categories: Campaigns Reid, Pelosi, Dean may intervene in nomination Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday that he may have to push undecided superdelegates to make their decisions in the Democratic presidential race, if the contest stretches into June. Reid said he would consider writing a joint letter with Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) demanding that superdelegates make their endorsements public. “The three of us, we may write a joint letter [to superdelegates],” said Reid. “We might do individual letters. We are in contact with each other.” Reid's comments suggest that the party’s top three officials are contemplating a high-level intervention if the primary season concludes in June without a nominee and many superdelegates still undecided. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.)'s 9-point victory over Sen. Barack Obama (D-ill.) in Tuesday's Pennsylvania Democratic primary means that the contentious nomination fight will likely continue into the summer. As the race continues to tighten, the decisions of the undecided superdelegates could determine the final outcome. Both Dean and Reid have made no secret of their desire to see the nomination fight end by the end of June. However, Reid aides warned people not to read too much into his newest comments. "Sen. Reid was talking about the possibility of simply sending a letter to superdelegates after the primary process is over to encourage them to make their support known," said Rodell Mollineau, Reid's communications director. "His statement today was nothing more than a reiteration of his past comments that most superdelegates should be in a position after June 3rd to make a decision and make their support known. No one should read any further into it than that." Stacie Paxton, a spokeswoman for the DNC, declined to discuss any potential letter to superdelegates. "I will just reiterate that Dean has said for some time now that he is encouraging the unpledged delegates to make their intentions known by July 1 so this doesn't go to the convention," Paxton said. Reid, who himself has not endorsed, said he would not rush any of the superdelegates for now. "People will have plenty of opportunity after the last primary on June 2 to make a decision about what they are going to do," he said. However, when asked by a reporter if he would be forced to weigh in on the race, Reid replied, "I might have to." The Senate majority leader also hinted that another high-profile superdelegate could be making an endorsement in the coming days. Reid said he met Wednesday with all of the Senate committee chairman, and that one chairman told him he was going to make an endorsement decision "soon." When asked in the hallway if he was the committee chairman in question, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden (D-Del.) delivered an emphatic "no." UPDATE: Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said Pelosi has no "specific plans for a letter" to superdelegates. "She is not opposed to the idea [of a letter] but does not have any plans to do so,” said Daly. Like Dean and Reid, Pelosi has expressed her desire to see the nomination wrapped up before July. |
Dean, Pelosi, and Reid don't have the power or status to tell Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, or any other superdelegate to make up their minds in June.
The best way to get to a brokered convention is to contact the Michigan "uncommitted" delegates and convince them to vote for Gore on the first ballot, assuming that they get seated. This will guarantee that nobody gets the magic number of 2025. Then Gore gets all the delegates on the second ballot.
Gore should then ask the delegates to vote for his VP (most likely the delegates will pick Obama as VP). Don't want to piss off the Edwards supporters, since their man was snubbed by Gore in 2000 for the VP slot.
ReElectAlGore2008 - April 25, 2008 12:25 AM (GMT)
WGAS about Edwards?
The self-serving nothing deserves even less than Hillary does
Had Edwards stayed in the race, Hillary would have been gone months ago.
Remember, getting rid of the Clinton's and Bush's from power are the only way to get real change.
The self-serving nothing deserves even less than Hillary does
Had Edwards stayed in the race, Hillary would have been gone months ago.
Remember, getting rid of the Clinton's and Bush's from power are the only way to get real change.
andrewv1 - April 25, 2008 12:36 AM (GMT)
Well thought out....
Did I hear that although Gore and Lieberman were good friends, he was forced into taking him as a running mate by the DNC?
(I might be wrong on that).
Did I hear that although Gore and Lieberman were good friends, he was forced into taking him as a running mate by the DNC?
(I might be wrong on that).
andrewv1 - April 25, 2008 01:01 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Apr 25 2008, 12:25 AM) |
| WGAS about Edwards? The self-serving nothing deserves even less than Hillary does Had Edwards stayed in the race, Hillary would have been gone months ago. Remember, getting rid of the Clinton's and Bush's from power are the only way to get real change. |
Clay, Edwards is a "Class Act".
I do not know why you have such a problem with him, but the guy should have been our nominee.
Period.
Also, it's been brought out in news reports that Gore and Edwards communicate regularly.
Again, its speculation but it's interesting that he and Gore yet are not endorsing any of the two candidates.
I wonder?
ReElectAlGore2008 - April 25, 2008 01:08 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (andrewv1 @ Apr 24 2008, 09:01 PM) | ||
Clay, Edwards is a "Class Act". I do not know why you have such a problem with him, but the guy should have been our nominee. Period. Also, it's been brought out in news reports that Gore and Edwards communicate regularly. Again, its speculation but it's interesting that he and Gore yet are not endorsing any of the two candidates. I wonder? |
funny how stuff "reported" that sides with certain people is ok
anything else is rightwing stuff derided
Edwards is NOT class.
Most Gore fans here do not like him and see him for the phony he is
Talk about NO experience.
Like someone(me) said in 2004, there were 1364 better choices for Kerry to take, all of whom would have led to so many more votes
Kerry did not want Edwards. He was forced and knew what would happen when he took him.
Now it comes out Andrew-you think Edwards is the one.
Gee, I thought we were on Al Gore's board, not the John Edwards for Breck Girl board.
Edwards won 3 primaries out of 100 in 2 tries. There is a reason he could not have been releected Senator.
andrewv1 - April 25, 2008 01:29 AM (GMT)
Now you're showing you're "Real Class."
Again you haven't answered my questions;
What is wrong with Edward’s besides his hair in your opinion?
What are your facts most Gore Supporters don't like him?
Why is he a Phony?
Come on Friend, what's your answers?
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Again you haven't answered my questions;
What is wrong with Edward’s besides his hair in your opinion?
What are your facts most Gore Supporters don't like him?
Why is he a Phony?
Come on Friend, what's your answers?
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earthmother - April 25, 2008 02:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (andrewv1 @ Apr 24 2008, 11:30 PM) |
| Is this a Joke? Would like to get people's opinions this; http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/23/19.../234/350/502066 |
I'd like to know where this person got this Denver Plan thing from. It obviously reflects wishful thinking on someone's part, but who put this out there? I believe it is a joke, but things like this can get legs sometimes. It's strange, in any case . . .
andrewv1 - April 25, 2008 03:16 AM (GMT)
I actually think somebody is being overzealous.
But, when you think about it, it sounds more productive than having Obama/Clinton "Beating Themselves to a Pulp" if we lasted to August.
Neither one can win now in the General Election I believe unless McCain "Croaks" or he has a "Senior Moment."
But, when you think about it, it sounds more productive than having Obama/Clinton "Beating Themselves to a Pulp" if we lasted to August.
Neither one can win now in the General Election I believe unless McCain "Croaks" or he has a "Senior Moment."
Texan for Gore - April 25, 2008 03:32 AM (GMT)
Yeah, it would be great if a plan like this came together early rather than later, but I'll believe it when I see it. It just sounds too fishy to be true. <_<