This would be everything I have hoped for times a million

OBAMA/GORE 2008


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23921985

There are only 2 positions higher than cabinet member

One is the Vice President
The other is SCOTUS

Gore will not be Vice-President to anyone. He said that he would only be president if he got in the race.

There seems to be quite a few articles on this. Can't see AL going for this, but who knows for sure. If he can get together with that awful Pat Robertson, than anything is possible.

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=8107469

Obama Would Consider Al Gore For Cabinet Position

Posted: April 2, 2008 10:56 AM PDT


Former Vice President and Tennessee Senator Al Gore at Middle Tennessee State University on March 27, 2008. (AP Photo/Bill Waugh)

Former Vice President and Tennessee Senator Al Gore at Middle Tennessee State University on March 27, 2008. (AP Photo/Bill Waugh)

(AP) WALLINGFORD, Pa. - Democrat Barack Obama said Wednesday he talks regularly with former vice president Al Gore and would consider putting him in a Cabinet-level position or higher.

A woman at a town hall asked the Illinois senator if elected president would he consider tapping the former vice president for his Cabinet, or an even higher level office, to address global warming.

"I would," Obama said. "Not only will I, but I will make a commitment that Al Gore will be at the table and play a central part in us figuring out how we solve this problem. He's somebody I talk to on a regular basis. I'm already consulting with him in terms of these issues, but climate change is real. It is something we have to deal with now, not 10 years from now, not 20 years from now."

The only position higher than a Cabinet post is vice president. While Obama seemed to dangle that possibility in his answer Wednesday, he has repeatedly said it is far too early to discuss potential vice presidents because the nomination has not been won.

It is also not clear that Gore, who had the job for eight years under Bill Clinton, would even want to be a vice president again.

Since leaving the White House, Gore has gone on to become one of the world's leading voices for combating the greenhouse gases blamed for global warming. His work earned him a shared Nobel Prize.

Now very popular among Democrats, Gore is perhaps the single most coveted endorsement up for grabs in the long-running competition between Obama and rival Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The relationship between Gore and the Clintons became strained after Gore limited Bill Clinton's campaigning on his behalf in the 2000 presidential race which elected George W. Bush.

Obama said he would use Gore to help forge a cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions designed to lower pollution.

The Illinois senator cautioned that such a system could mean an increase in electricity bills from power companies that rely on coal-burning, and that some of the money generated from a cap-and-trade system may be used in the beginning to help lower income or fixed income customers with those bills.

He also called on individuals to do their part to lower energy consumption.

"All of us are going to have to change our habits. We are a wasteful culture," he said.

Using compact fluorescent light bulbs, energy efficient appliances, and unplugging power chargers when they're not in use are relatively simple solutions, he said.

"Those kinds of simple steps, if everybody takes them, can drastically reduce our energy consumption."

And when asked the question directly Gore stated that he would only get back into public service as President.

Maybe, that is what Obama means when he says or higher office. I truly believe that it will be a Gore/Obama ticket. BOTH OBAMA AND HILLARY HAVE TOO MUCH BAGGAGE TO BE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET.

People say a lot of things that can be changed

Never say never in politics

Obama/Gore

Obama has no baggage compared to the cargo loads of baggage McCain and Hillary have

And McCain has not even started to be vetted

Whereas Obama got 8 major smears against him, and has stood tall and overcome all of them

I do not for the life of me understand why vanity overcomes the importance of the ticket
If Gore wants to create a major difference in the race, with the players already out there (and Obama about 10 minutes away from clinching, then as VP he could do all that in a second

And while we here on the Gore board don't like to think so, he does have his own baggage too

I didn't by the way hear Gore say no to this today
And one would think Gore and Obama speak, so this may be a little nudge to Hillary authorized by Gore himself

I think it is very obvious what is happening here - Obama is warming people up for when he steps aside in favour of Gore. If Obama were just making this all up then Gore would correct him - but of course hasnt and wont.

Watch out everyone for Jimmy Carter. I have nothing to base this on but a hunch. i reckon Jimmy is going to go on Meet the Press or something big and say that he has been very impressed with Obama and believes he will make an outstanding president one day - but he should first serve as VP to Gore. When Jimmy says that the earth will move. I expect Jimmy to make his move just before Gore's trip to Israel.

Gore is inevitable.

Alpha-Gore-Omega

It's a nice scenario, but Obama can't simply step aside now. There'd be mass rioting in the streets. The only way that can happen is if there is a deadlocked convention and no one gets the nomination on the first or second ballot. Well, you know the scenario. But trust me, for Obama, who is as popular as he is, to just step aside, would cause mayhem and plenty of ill will, and if I were Gore, I'd want no part of that.

OK then if you are so sure this is more than just a delusion, I'll renew my challenge to you to put your money where your mouth is. I'll bet you $10,000 that Gore will not be Obama's VP. So either put up or shut up.

BTW Real Gore supporters want to see him on the top of the ticket not the bottom.

I just never cease to be dumbfounded by the educated human animal!

Gore is never going to be VP again! Do not bet $10,000 on that, you will lose!

Gore is NOT going to be Secretary of State either, nor a cabinet post of Environment, etc! Can't you believe his own words on that subject????

He might be an envoy or a liason or some such title to somewhere mainly on the climate change agenda, BUT no Cabinet post or VP at all! Never, thats right, I said Never!

Obama merely wished to indicate that he talks to Gore with regularity!

The wildest scenario would have a deadlocked convention with H-rod really causing trouble and Obama announcing that he would like his delegates to vote for Gore with the full knowledge offical or under the table that it would be a Gore/Obama ticket! This still would bad blood in the party and not a smart thing for Gore to do considering the media zeitgeist has NOT changed one iota from his last books observations, now would it?????

OK, EM, there is the slim chance he might run for the top of the ticket, BUT I can categorically state he will not be VP or an official cabinet post member! Take that to the bank! At least believe what the man says if you are going to believe what he hasn't said as well????

It seems pretty obvious to me Obama wants Gore to not only advise him in Global Warming affairs when/if Obama takes office, but actually hire Gore to head the issue.

I actually think Gore would consider it, because it's such a passion for him. Gore believes strongly something has to be done now to reverse the damaging effects on our environment. How could he refuse being the guy in charge of that issue?

I trust that Al Gore is willing to do whatever he can to halt climate change, regardless of who is president. What form that may take is why this just continues to be interesting..

I'm not sure why you addressed that to me, blueraider, since I've never strayed from saying that Gore will never be anyone's VP. Never. And I've also said repeatedly that he's on record as saying it's the presidency or nothing. I stand by that. :?:

:clap: Gore is nobody's Vice President. Been there, done that. I think he would accept a cabinet level "Climate Czar" type of position on Global Climate Change, but he would NOT accept VP.

Judging from the vast, vast majority of Obama supporters I've encountered on line, I don't doubt for a moment that they would be into mass rioting if they don't get their way at any cost on any issue. That's their new politics.

I am very upset right now because of events that have unfolded since yesterday regarding Dean's meeting with the Florida Democratic delegation. Suffice it to say, most (not all) Obama supporters will stop at nothing, including total subversion of the Democratic process, to get their way. Which reminds me of another politician. His name is George W. Bush. So much, again, for new politics. A rose by any other name...still smells like stealing an election.

:mad:

Why not?

You gotta be in it to win it

What cabinet position is climate control? I don't recall hearing that before

Why not be in the position to attain the presidency without lifting a finger if something happens
(and based on the utter racist attitudes out there and everywhere, with the Rush Limbaugh type people out there, it would seem that the VP can move up
like LBJ did

So what's not to like?

Amazing that people put Al's vanity ahead of saving the country

Besides, if the presidential nominee asks, noone refuses.
Even Michael Bloomberg who plays 2nd fiddle to noone would take the job if asked

EM that was just an internet not making a paragraph mis-understanding type error?

I just refer back to a previous post where you point out I can't be 100 percent certain about his running for the top and I suppose should have broke paragraph there?

Otherwise I certainly did not mean to infer you had ever said otherwise about VP or any other position.

My Dennis Miller types of references and my not recalling that 2/3 of people alive were not so when JFK was causes me to be mis-understood with great regularity!

On half of the occasions when I spoke in class with Gore, he frequently translated to the rest of the class as to what I was referring to or talking about.

P.S. At this point, if I were Gore, I would want NOTHING to do with this Democratic nomination, even if they were going to hand it to me on a silver platter, because the process is being SO subverted and by those at the very tippy-top (Howard Dean!). Much as the planet needs Gore right now, maybe he is better off working as a private citizen versus having anything to do with our party's nomination process this go around. If I wasn't THE single most ridiculously loyal Democrat on the face of this earth, I would drop out of the party right about now, since they obviously care NOTHING about the voters or the will thereof WHATSOEVER!

Hillary is the one who should be put on trial for treason with the Bush's

As Dean and Gore are thistighttogether, anything Dean is doing is coming straight 100percent backing from Gore
Blind if you don't see it

Your hatred of Obama (one wonders why? Ah, no one doesn't wonder why) is showing.

What part of Al Gore and Howard Dean are n'sync on every single thing don't you get?
the too are tighter than tight and have been

Al Gore had a major coup taking that crook McAuliffe out of the picture and putting Gore's man Dean in

Terry McAuliffe is another one who belongs in jail not in politics

This seems farfetched, but has there ever been someone running for the U.S. Presidency who beforehand said that he only planned to serve half or a part of his term and then let his running mate take over? I don't see any similar scenarios in searching, but I was wondering if there were an early contest this might have taken place even if they weren't elected.
Anybody know?

I do feel encouraged that the Democrats will increase their hold in the Senate, Congress, and State elections. I think "it's a given."

As for the White House, I am convinced even with a good running mate (Gore included) neither Clinton nor Obama can win in November. I actually wish there was another solution besides running Gore at the top with Obama, but I don't see it.

Someone the other day had a ludicrist idea (might have been Mario Cuomo) saying

2008 Obama/Hillary
2010 Hillary/Obama
2012 Hillary/Obama runs that way
2014 Obama/Hillary
2016 Hillary/Obama runs for her 2nd term
2018 Obama/Hillary
2020 Obama/Hillary runs for his 2nd term

therefore 16 years

now if Cuomo could suggest that

Why not Obama/Gore/Gore/Obama/etc.

That way neither person ran more than 2 times as Obama would only have had 2 years, etc.

Public would probably yell about it not being Kosher though

Article URL: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view...ticleid=1084738

James

you can't pick and choose which media you believe in

After all you have put down most articles as rightwing media for years

Why wouldn't the media want to get rid of this wonderful idea? They hate him and Obama.
They are working for EvilHillary

I will not stop thinking it will happen until it doesn't

Who are these strategists anyhow?
Bob Shrum?
Mark Penn?
Roger Stone?
Karl Rove?

History happens when people make history
Doing things that before might not seemed possible are what makes history

as GB Shaw said and Kennedy loved
Some men see things that are and say why
I dream things that never were and say why not

Well dream on little broomstick cowboy!

Recall that Gore is now out front for Gay rights and marriage and after interacting with his staff for years, I found I had no more left over moral or Southern reasons to oppose them any longer. The fact that the finest couple my wife can place an abused child with is a gay black couple didn't hurt either BUT------

Gore with Obama would be painted as the second coming of Karl MarX and very effective too I might add? I doubt if that ticket could carry any Southern state?

As for I will step down after the first term or even halfway through the first-----SHEESH can you be that naive about human nature of a political animal or what power, the strings of power really mean??????

I am just upset that Black is still going to cost Obama votes? I feel confident that being female is not going to hurt the correct female, it is just that H-rod is not the correct female, but I must wonder if Black would cost Colin Powell or not??????

I have not spent enough time in the Northern areas to my regret, but I surmise that religion is not the dominating talk of forums on newspapers, opinion pages, editorials, etc in those local markets.

There is not a single day that the overwhelming majority of public opinion here in the most democratic and liberal minded area of the South does not reflect religious dogma extremes!

Gore is bigger than the presidency and is not stupid enough to run in this mindset of 2008! His recent stance on the gay issue tells me that he is not running and therefore could let that one hit the fan!

I also hate it that Obamas pastor will get a lot of the credit for his losses when in fact it was just another excuse for the ghost of George Wallace!



Let me throw out some recent musings I have made at home concerning the future state of the street in the USA??? I need feedback since it is off the top of my radical head.

First, the reality that in the major cities the high school graduation rate is less than 50 percent and in fact, in Detroit it is 25 percent and in Indianopolis it is 30 percent! FACT!

Now after watching many YouTube videos of Iraq Vets, both the ones helping children and those teasing children horribly, etc I come to realize at this juncture that we have a lot of those volunteer soldiers that have served 2, 3, 4 even 5 tours of duty in Iraq.

Too many of them like it? For EX: in a fire fight the excitement of the soldier saying----"wow I lit his assup big time, did you see him freak, etc."(now I am an ex-grunt and I DO UNDERSTAND the thrill of that combat adrenalin high and it is NOT wrong per say to feel that way in battle at all! BUT--------- it is not the mix of draft and volunteer that I feel brings morality to the warp that is called a combat zone.

I wonder?

Now those men in their prime will be back here with those millions of drop outs going nowhere and just exactly what does that mean to the average walk at the mall or filling up at the 7/11????

I don't think that combined with the debt and immigration mean a world I wish to let my child out in without armed guard and who can afford that or even wish to live that way?

The blessed people will withdraw even further and the majority of us will see our lifestyle decline into chaos compared to even 10 years ago???

Am I wrong in this observation?

Tell me it aint so America!

Sorry latest new flash from Tennessee

http://www.wsmv.com/news/15783307/detail.html

Bible in the schools! Think they will actually tell about the books left out, the council at Nicea, the Romans exiled if they didn't go along with the program.

Almost every single time that Prof Gore speaks in public in Tennessee he refers to our ancient ancestors and their evolution that helped them to survive and therefore was passed on to us!

This is in almost always a college university event! He always gets a huge laugh when he uses the joke that "he hesitates to refer to evolution or anything close to it since we had a trial here in Tennessee about that and we LOST!"

It ain't funny, no sir not a damn bit funny! (Bum Phillips).

Nothing Rev. Wright said was a lie

Every word he said was true if you are black in America

And Rev. Wright was begged to come to DC and save Bill and Hillary's sorry arses
when Bill got caught with Monika
Strange how the Clinton's stab everyone in the back

As for Gore, well, you gotta be in it to win it as the NY lottery commercials up here state

And I was one who wanted him to run 3rd party, but of course most here shut that idea down quickly

NOW, Now, Now, it was shut down here only becuase we know how deeply loyal Gore is to the stinking party!

Gore/Bloomberg is the dream ticket of real change to me!

I wish Gore was that future ahead looking!

I mean that! That would shake up the universe and I think it might work but it would be dependent on the young and I have never seen them deliver yet?

I adore the idea, but it is the loyalty that we also Love in Gore that will not allow him to take the step!

I think the media that he talks about is the only reason he does not run in some form in this cycle, just that. The public that is in play only votes on less than 30 seconds of information!

Oy yeah, I agree, very little the pastor said was untrue, but don't tell it in public.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Where do you come up with these things, Clay? :?:

"Gore is bigger than the presidency and is not stupid enough to run in this mindset of 2008!"

Exactly. I think there is still a tiny chance he could emerge as the nominee from a brokered convention, but after a brief, oh-so-happily-delusional moment of thinking it was a real possibility, I'm back to thinking it is slimmer than David Bowie. I mean, this Democratic primary process is now so terribly corrupted (by our own party head) that I now feel there is no way it will ever be considered a fair one by all sides, nor is there any way for it to actually BE a fair one. Dean continues to exhibit a TOTAL disregard for actually representing the voters. Anyway, I'm with you, Gore will be very hesitant indeed to jump in, in 2008, even if it is basically handed to him on a silver platter. On the other hand, IF it is handed to him...I think there is a chance, albiet tiny. He cares most about saving this planet. But he is also deeply committed to a fair election process (!!!). Since he can clearly see that this one is shaping up to be anything but, I don't think he will touch it with a ten-foot pole. I've lost all hope for this process as of Dean's little statements of yesterday. ...Well, all but a tiny shard of hope. But that will be squashed in very short order, I'm now sure.

"I also hate it that Obamas pastor will get a lot of the credit for his losses when in fact it was just another excuse for the ghost of George Wallace!"

I take great issue with your insinuation here. Many people, like myself, who have GRAVE concerns about Obama's CLOSE association with Reverend Wright are not racists, which is what you are clearly implying. Quite the reverse. We judge based on content of character, it has nothing to do with melatonin content or ethnicity or religion. Too bad Reverend Wright can't say the same thing. He gives awards for greatness in the name of the Church Obama was and remains a member of to a DEFINITE, clear, major antisemitic, anti-Israel HATEMONGER. So please don't insinuate that those of who care about that are somehow channelling George Wallace. That dog will not hunt and is woefully opposite of the actual fact. Obama supporters are SO BLINDED by the Great One that they can't see reality. I am, as our slogan here used to say, a "reality-based" voter and judge of CHARACTER. It is quite possible that others, like me, are concerned about Obama's association with Reverend Wright because of SUBSTANTIVE issues to do with Wright's statements and actions, NOT because of the color of his, or Obama's skin. I am sure there are some racists who don't want Obama to be president and who will latch onto the Wright thing or anything else they can to take him down for that reason. I'm not one of those people. I want to take Obama down because I think he is a total PHONY, that's why, and his choice to pick an antisemite for a spiritual guide gives me pause.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/pol...ama_admini.html

Gore's role in Obama White House

Posted April 2, 2008 2:25 PM
The Swamp

by Mike Dorning

WALLINGFORD, Pa .-- Would the election of Barack Obama return Al Gore to the White House, too?

Well, the Illinois senator wouldn't quite commit when he was asked this afternoon if he would appoint Gore to his Cabinet.

But Obama said at a town meeting at Strath Haven High School here that Gore would have a place "at the table" for discussions on global climate change within an Obama White House.

A woman asked Obama if he would consider tapping the former vice president for his Cabinet, or an even higher level office.

"I would," Obama said. "Not only will I, but I will make a commitment that Al Gore will be at the table and play a central part in us figuring out how we solve this problem. He's somebody I talk to on a regular basis. I'm already consulting with him in terms of these issues, but climate change is real. It is something we have to deal with now, not 10 years from now, not 20 years from now."

The only position higher than a Cabinet post is vice president. While Obama seemed to dangle that possibility in his answer today, he repeatedly has said it is far too early to discuss potential vice presidents because the nomination has not been won."
....



I think some in the media have again done everyone a disservice by making something out of what was not there or giving the implication. This seemed the most honest piece on what happened.

Obama said Gore would have a "place at the table" for discussion of climate issues.

When Obama was ASKED by someone about Gore in a position in his administration he said he would consider it. "Not only will I" (consider it) but he'll make a place at the table...(re: climate)

Obama would "consider" Gore in the administration and Gore's invited to the table on climate issues- Which does not automatically translate into an administration post or the VP slot.

There really are two separate questions involved. :read: I don't think Obama could have given any other answer to the administration question and he affirmed he would want Gore involved in climate issues.

Gore bucked the Clinton machine in 2000, he made the great (although again it did not work), but the best move of the 2004 race backing Dean early, Dean was basically put in the DNC head by the Clinton's to remove him from running in 2008
(once again though the Clinton's did not think how that could backfire against them)
and Gore and Dean are on the same side against the Bush's and Clinton's.

Put 2 and 2 together and Gore and Dean are still backing each other.

IMHO :laugh:

And any final scenerio will come with the blessing of Dean and Gore, whether it is ever announced publicly or not

I cannot for the life of me understand why people here,

ASSUMING as Gore and Dean and others have either said or thought that the race will end by July 1st (therefore NO brokered convention)

Wouldn't everyone here want Gore in the #2 most important position

Is the only reason people don't because they think it is beneath him?

Why is it beneath him?

At the moment he has NO office whatsoever. He is a private citizen.

If he became #2, and in essence co-president without the hassle of running for it and with just doing the important stuff he wants to do, what in God's name is wrong with that?

Also, you don't see Dick Cheney(the current #2) doing anything at all he don't want to do, and he advances his cause 100 percent of the day 24/7/365

So why can't MY side do the same?

I just don't get it.

And it would eliminate the need for putting HIllary or any lousy choice on the ballot with Obama and it would take the experience issue off the table (same as if Bloomberg were on the ticket).

Either Obama/Gore or Obama/Bloomberg with Gore sitting in by their side
What a trio it would be.

I'll throw this in here because it's different OPINION of Dean and the whole primary mess. Dean is taken to task on some things, but this author seems to think the superdelegates could behave differently, including Gore- and some seem to be on the move. Whether that's right or wrong is up to you. This person seems to think that Dean is not responsible for the mess but that he should be more vocal on what is truly destructive. I don't necessarily agree that the supers should make endorsements as a way of ending this, but they certainly could take candidates to task for the way they are conducting the primary race:

http://pundits.thehill.com/2008/04/02/dont...me-howard-dean/

Don’t Blame Howard Dean (Brent Budowsky)
@ 10:29 am

Howard Dean is not the tallest tree in the forest of national politics but it is bogus for political insiders to blame the Democratic mess on him.

There is one harsh criticism I would have of Dean. He should be speaking far more loudly against attacks that are so destructive they clearly help John McCain.

Howard Dean did not cause the mess and does not have the power to end it, and many with far more power than Dean have remained weak, silent and irrelevant.

Dean does not control 300 superdelegates who lack the minimum political courage to even take a stand supporting a candidate and have the presumption and pomposity to publicly consider whether highly unpopular poliical insiders should scorn the will of the people in primaries and caucuses.

Where is Al Gore, who has had nothing to say of even minimal import in presidential politics though he positions himself as a political and moral statesman? Where is John Edwards, with his interminable invitations to candidates to solicit his support and then his interminable leaks of these meetings and his interminable leaked commentary about why this or that candidate is not worthy of his support?

The list of suspects who deserve blame for the Democratic fiasco is longer than Agatha Christie’s list in Murder on the Orient Express.

Howard Dean may be weak, but what is even more pathetic and weak is that those who could have more influence have lacked the courage and stature to act, while they whisper sweet nothings to The New York Times, blaming Dean for their own lack of courage and common sense. [B]

You mean you assign the same amount of credibilty to FOX News as you would Reuters?

Please leave my family out of this.

Typically he pulls them straight out of his butt! :clap:

The author is right you can't blame Dean for anything in regard to the Superdelegates. That system was put in place long before he became chairman.

But most are not blaming Dean for the Superdelegates. They are blaming him for the mess with Florida and Michigan. Other states moved up their primaries in violation of party rules but were not penalized for it. These are two important states that are needed to win the general election. Dean should have shown some leadership and resolved the problem last year.

Dean TOTALLY caused this mess. 100%. Dean. Caused. End of my opinion. That's the long and the short of it."

No he didn't

You just want Hillary so you blame dean

If they don't play tough, there will be anarchy

And other states moved up, but not EARLIER than allowed

It was Iowa NH SC NEV

AND TERRY MCAULIFFE AND HAROLD YICCCKKKKKEEES AGREED TO IT
AND HILLARY AGREED TO HIT

That she is an underhanded backstabbing liar is her problem

That she ran a terrible campaign is her problem

She ran a worse campaign than Mike Dukakis did and it serves her right

And makes you happy she won't run the country