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Nagasakee - March 12, 2008 04:10 PM (GMT)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-abrams...m-_b_91036.html
(I liked the post, sentiment and writing style-Naga)

The Clinton's are like vampires, they're hard to kill.

Nonetheless, after the dust from last Tuesday primaries settles, one thing will be clear; Hillary probably can't win the nomination herself but she can stop Obama from winning. Obama has now twice failed to drive the stake through Hillary's undead heart and I'm not sure he'll get another chance.


Having stopped the inevitability of an Obama victory, Hillary will now be able to leverage a win in Pennsylvania, where she has the natural electoral advantage, into several other wins down the road. Looking at the primary calendar, it's not particularly farfetched to see Hillary winning Pennsylvania, and then Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Puerto Rico among others. If Florida actually has a re-election, she might almost be able to catch up to Obama in raw delegate count by the convention, and that doesn't take into account her natural affinity with the majority of Super Delegates representing the Party establishment. Whatever the case, she would certainly have the momentum going into the Convention, even though I can't foresee a scenario in which the super delegates will have the gall to give her the nomination if she comes in behind.

But all of this begs the question; what exactly is the point of this half a billion-dollar exercise?

The Democrats, having abandoned the issues of "the change election" for the rhetoric of "change" and the cheap champagne of the race itself are now in danger running the party off the rails. There is no obvious institutional answer to the macabre Hillary-Obama electoral dance of death--just don't look at it directly without protective glasses.

Nonetheless, there is always . . . hope. If the Democrats return to a debate about the structural problems underlying the triple crises of governmental dysfunction, incipient economic and ecological collapse that are afflicting the nation -- and much of the world -- there is a chance they can get their electoral train back on track.

In terms of the Conventional Wisdom, there are two routes for the Democrats to get to Denver with the party intact. The first would be a move of uncommitted super delegates to the undeclared candidacy of the implicit third force in the race, Al Gore. Under normal circumstances one could not imagine any situation in which Hillary would allow this nomination to be pried from her cold, dead fingers, but these are not normal circumstances and Gore is no longer a normal politician.

America may not owe you or me, but America owes Al Gore. To borrow from Isaac Deutscher's description of Trotsky, Gore is now "the Prophet Armed." After winning the 2000 election and then having it stolen from him, the old stodgy Al Gore was somehow transformed into Al, the oracle wonk.

Gore was not only one of the first establishment figures to attack Bush and Cheney's motives for going to War, he was among the first to call Bush and Cheney what they were, and remain, shameless shills for the corporate interests. However the most compelling reason for a Gore candidacy is his leadership in the struggle against ecological catastrophe and his insistence that the fight against climate change be seen as part of a systemic crisis, requiring a systemic solution.

A Gore candidacy would be the best solution to the Democrats current conundrum. Gore would not only win the election overwhelmingly, his win would stand to advance the cause of suffering humanity. However getting Gore to the nomination is extremely problematic.
Certainly neither Obama nor Hillary is going to drop out in favor of him. The only way Gore becomes the nominee is on the second ballot of the Democratic Convention in the last week of August, which then leaves Gore only ten weeks to campaign before the general election. If Gore were to be a serious candidate, a sort of shadow candidacy would have to be established now and run through an organizational intermediary--perhaps Howard and Jim Dean's DFA-- while super delegate support was rounded up.

In the meantime, this shadow candidacy would no doubt earn Gore the kind of enmity among Democratic partisans currently reserved for Ralph Nader, and might have the effect of scuttling the candidacy before it even got started. These are all big problems, however the biggest thing standing in the way of a Gore candidacy is probably Gore himself.

I'm not sure if Gore has the fire in his belly to run for President and -- forgive me for saying -- that's sure a mighty big belly of late. To get the nomination, Gore would have to want to run.

This leaves the second route for the Democrats to pull out of the Hillary-Obama bind in time. The idea is courtesy of a friend of mine -- a Republican nurse, whose union is currently locked in a death struggle, mostly over understaffing, with the big corporate health care conglomerate that owns the hospital where she works. For her, the collapse of the health care system is a daily reality and it's the main thing she's concerned with.

Two weeks ago, when it looked like Obama was going to be the inevitable Democratic nominee, her idea was that Obama make Edwards his Vice Presidential running mate. Obama would then adopt Edwards Universal Health care plan -- which as we all know is better than Obama's -- and have Edwards serve as a sort of Health Care Marshall, in charge of getting Universal Health Care and taking down the Insurance companies standing in the way.

I was prepared to laugh off her idea, but the more I thought about it, the more it worked on a number of levels. To begin with, it works practically. I don't think Edwards is going want to be anybody's Vice Presidential candidate this time around unless it's a means to a bigger end than getting Obama elected President. Ironically, after all the crap that Edwards has taken about his lean and hungry look, my guess is that five years of non stop campaigning have left him most interested now in actually getting something done for his country, something big. The chance to achieve Universal Health Care qualifies.

It also gives Obama a graceful way out of his current health care proposal, which is an even worse starting point to achieve Universal Health Care than was the Clinton's proposal fifteen years ago. The chance to harmonize the Edwards and Obama proposals awakens the possibility of coming up with something that works better than either plan on its own.

Edwards himself, pointed the way towards this, in the latter days of his campaign. When asked about the merits of a Single Payer health plan, Edwards admitted the attractiveness of the idea but thought it difficult to achieve politically. He said that with his own plan though, he saw the possibility that setting up a competition between a Medicare-for-All plan and the existing private plans might lead to the victory of Medicare, which would then ultimately become, Single Payer.
This is the idea that appealed to my friend, the Republican nurse. She knows the current system is a disaster, that the Insurance companies are the root of the problem, but she hates what she calls "Socialized Medicine." What she likes is the idea of public-private competition in an environment where everyone is covered. And it is here where the practical policy implications of an Obama-Edwards partnership are symbolic of the possibility of a broader social-political agenda.

With the non-candidacy of Gore and the knocking off of Edwards, the two remaining candidates for the Democratic nomination have fallen back onto an older style of electoral politics: pandering. This pandering was especially evident in Ohio over the past couple weeks and with her primary victory last Tuesday, the verdict is in: Hillary is the Pander Queen. Perhaps someday she can rule with her consort Mitt Romney, the Pander King.

In Ohio, Hillary campaigned against NAFTA, which her current husband pushed through and signed into law, all the while assuring Ohioans that she was somehow going to get those lost factory jobs back with her hard work and experience. Obama meanwhile was also making reassuring protectionist noises, even while his chief economist was apparently privately assuring foreign governments that he didn't really mean it.

John "Hundred Years War" McCain for his part, let it be known that he thinks NAFTA is a good thing, free trade is a good thing, and that he's the only one still running honest enough to say it.
McCain is, in fact, only voicing the Conventional Wisdom. You can read and hear the same arguments from ex officio Hillary economic advisors. They say that Globalization is here to stay and that in Globalization "there are winners and losers"; losers like the people of Ohio.
The problem for the Democrats is one, many of them believe this, and two, these so-called losers are their electoral base. The truth is that in this country and in the world as a whole, the vast majority of people are either working class or poor.

"Globalization," as currently constituted, works against the interests of working class and poor people and advantages the interests of mobile Capital. The truth is that the only places in the world where globalization has been successfully managed to any extent are places where the state--no matter its politics-- maintains a mediating, ameliorative and/or a competitive role in the economy. These are places like China, Putin's Russia, Korea, some of the OPEC states, Venezuela, and increasingly, Argentina, Chile and Brazil.

The truth about Globalization is that, while it may seem inevitable, the losers far outnumber the winners, not just in Ohio, but everywhere in the world. The "Free Market" ideology that has dominated economic debate and economic life in this country since 1980 is now as dysfunctional--and soon to be as discredited-- as the Command Economy ideology of the Soviet Union and its satellite states in the last years of the Soviet Empire. It only remains for the media and a majority of our fellow citizens to figure this out.

Beyond that, as Al Gore has, no doubt reluctantly, been pointing out, Globalization is no longer ecologically feasible. It simply costs "too much carbon" to be shipping food and raw materials from one end of the planet to the other. If we're going to save this particular planet, the real social and environmental cost of this carbon is going to have to be factored into the cost of most products. Stuff is either going to become prohibitively expensive, or local, regional and national economies are going to have become more self-sufficient.

These of course are the kinds of things that should be debated in this election, at least on the Democratic side, but for obvious reasons, no one--with the exception of Ralph Nader, God bless him--is going to endanger their political career talking about them. This though, is where the symbolism of the Edwards Public-Private Health Care Plan is so powerful. It provides a model for what needs to be done throughout the economy to create new industry and new jobs for real people.

That's pretty catchy, maybe Obama will buy it.

An Obama-Edwards partnership dedicated to giving hope and voice to working class and poor people in this country would steamroller Hillary on its way to the nomination.

In my opinion, it's Obama's third and final chance to get it done. This really is a different kind of election campaign than any we've seen in a long time and a Hillary candidacy in the general election would be an epic, world-historical kind of mistake by the Democrats.

Questions - March 12, 2008 04:58 PM (GMT)
OK, the caveat is in the first paragraph and this post is listed as a comment at the end. It probably should have been titled, "Beating up Obama doesn't guarantee...."

The last few paragraphs, how Gore could be the nominee:


"Here’s what I think: in the very unlikely event that Hillary Clinton were to successfully destroy Obama as a candidate (which I don’t expect), Clinton herself wouldn’t be the most likely nominee: Al Gore would.

He would be the super delegates’ ticket out of the trap.

Two months ago I would have put the chance of a deadlocked convention turning to Gore as virtually nonexistent. As of today, it’s just damn unlikely. "




http://www.lastchancedemocracycafe.com/?p=1296

Beating Obama doesn’t guarantee Hillary Clinton the nomination


The speculation that follows may well be nuts, but, then, I’m a blogger: I’m supposed to be a little nuts (and very unserious). So here goes:

For whatever it’s worth, I’ve become increasingly convinced that Hillary Clinton’s most likely chance for some sort of a “victory,” in the sense of changing the outcome of the nomination fight, doesn’t involve her walking away with the nomination. It’s in the role of a spoiler.

While I personally think this very unlikely, it’s certainly conceivable that Hillary could beat up Obama badly enough through negative campaigning to cost him the nomination. About the only way this could realistically happen, given the arithmetic, would be for enough super delegates to lose faith in Obama’s ability to beat John McCain to deny him the nomination.

The goal of the Clinton plan — or perhaps we should call it the Clinton Hail Mary — of course, is that when this happens the super delegates will give the nomination to Hillary, even though she’ll almost certainly be trailing in pledged delegates (the ones actually elected by humanoid voters).

Not so fast.

The obvious problem with this sort of scorched earth approach is that if it works, a solid half of the Democratic Party’s rank and file will hate her guts. Mark my words: they won’t oppose her; they’ll hate her guts, or at least a lot of them will — hardly the ideal way to begin a general election campaign. (This isn’t a threat by me, since I’ll almost certainly vote for the nominee, but it’s the reality of the situation.)

What I’ve said so far has, of course, been utterly unoriginal. Every blogger in America (and probably half of their dogs and cats) has already written a post about the potential for a brokered convention to tear the party apart. So do I have anything even slightly new to say?

Only this: my point isn’t that Hillary can’t win against McCain under these circumstances (although she probably can’t): no, my point is that a lot of the super delegates are going to conclude that she can’t win against McCain under these circumstances. They are also going to realize that if they vote for Hillary, when Obama is ahead in pledged delegates, they’ll have holy hell to face back home.

Remember that a lot of these super delegates are elected officials. The last thing they want to do is offend a large segment of their base.

So why, as a group, would they decide to give the nomination to Hillary under these circumstances? Are they into political suicide?

I may be wrong, but I don’t think they’d do it.

Here’s what I think: in the very unlikely event that Hillary Clinton were to successfully destroy Obama as a candidate (which I don’t expect), Clinton herself wouldn’t be the most likely nominee: Al Gore would.

He would be the super delegates’ ticket out of the trap.

Two months ago I would have put the chance of a deadlocked convention turning to Gore as virtually nonexistent. As of today, it’s just damn unlikely.


Alpha Gore Omega - March 14, 2008 12:33 AM (GMT)
This is from the New York Times. I wonder what these two were talking about? Gore-Obama is inevitable.

Alpha-Omega-Gore


Obama Chats With Gore
By Jeff Zeleny

Barack Obama spoke to reporters on the plane traveling from Chicago to Washington.
DULLES, Va. – With a six-week interval between primaries, the Democratic presidential candidates have a little more time on their hands after a chaotic string of week-to-week primaries and caucuses.

It leaves a little more time for telephone calls. To superdelegates.

“The last time I talked to Al Gore was last week,” Senator Barack Obama said today, speaking to reporters as he flew from Chicago to Washington.

That morsel of information was buried near the end of a question-and-answer session. Asked if he would divulge what they talked about, Mr. Obama smiled and simply said, “No.”

It’s been awhile since Mr. Gore’s name has come up in the context of the prolonged Democratic presidential contest. While people close to the former vice president say he has been following the race closely, he has given no signals that he is willing to step into the battle between Mr. Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And how about John Edwards?

Mr. Obama said he had spoken to him “within the last two weeks.” Asked if he was expecting anything from Mr. Edwards, Mr. Obama replied, “Some good advice.”

(Mr. Edwards is not a superdelegate, of course, but could still influence the race if he decided to endorse one of his former rivals.)

But back to the phone call between Mr. Obama and Mr. Gore. Does it hold greater meaning or was it just a routine course of business?

That question was not resolved as Mr. Obama walked to the front of his plane as it landed here outside Washington, where he, Mrs. Clinton and Senator John McCain will be spending the day at the Capitol, where the Senate is holding a series of budget votes today.

It’s been more than a month since the three presidential candidates have been in the Senate chamber together. Asked how Mr. Obama intended to greet Mrs. Clinton, he grinned, saying: “I’m sure we will be both effusive and make sure we shake hands.”

ReElectAlGore2008 - March 14, 2008 07:21 AM (GMT)
Sometimes it reminds me of one of my favorite movies ever

Being There starring Peter Sellers as Chance the Gardener.

Who liked to watch TV.

Or reading tea leaves.

If Al Gore loves the democrats, how can he watch Hillary destroy the party with her racist campaign?
It seems to me this week Hillary lost her chance of winning and Obama wouldn't unless forced give her the VP

But serious damage is being done to the party

It could very well stop the congress from a sizematic shift it should get

Which would be a shame.

But then I keep saying Hillary is not a friend but a foe to the party...

If Gore controls Edwards or Edwards truly loves the party and not himself, he should come out for Obama before PA...
Hillary winning PA, which is most likely will mean this race will never end, and permanent damage will be done

All those first time voters will disappear for another couple of decades

And Gore should speak out about Iran...it sure looks as if Bush is getting ready to send the nukes out.

JamesAquila - March 14, 2008 03:16 PM (GMT)
No Clay. It is supporters of Hillary and Obama like you that are destroying the party. Supporters who can't see past their own pathalogical hatreds and bias. Supporters who are so convinced they are on the side of right that it excuses any smear, any lie, any spin to demonize the other side. Those are the people who are destroying the party and any chance of victory in November.

Patsy - March 14, 2008 03:38 PM (GMT)
Gore said that a campaign season can be too long, well, we are seeing the results of this long drawn out ordeal. Both, Obama and Hillary have too many issues to overcome. Obama's minister is the last nail to be driven into his campaign. I do not believe that he can overcome this setback. Hillary cannot pick up the support that she needs because of the negative issues toward Obama. I truly believe that Gore will have to come out brefore the convention. I hope that he is listening to the people plus the party bosses.

Alpha Gore Omega - March 14, 2008 04:48 PM (GMT)
Good on you Patsy - you have never given up. I agree - Gore is inevitable.

Alpha-Gore-Omega

ReElectAlGore2008 - March 14, 2008 07:50 PM (GMT)
What's wrong with Obama's minister?

Every single word he said was true

What's wrong is people not wanting to hear the truth

America is apartheid and blacks are second class citizens

41 shots by cops, 51 shots to Sean Bell, an innocent bridegroom having a night before his wedding party, gunned down and killed on his wedding night

Hillary hasn't lived a day in a black person's shoes
She is born to privledge and has ruined the party

I want to hear more truth. Not Clintonian lies.







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