Cross Posted @ Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/7/217...7161/195/432024

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Based on the title of the diary, I'm sure many of you are thinking, "Yeah, yeah, another Gore supporter who has yet to face reality and concede he isn't running." Well not quite; in fact, I've moved on and have since come to support Obama (though I very much like Edwards). That all being said, however, it seems as though it is becoming more and more likely that Al Gore may still become the Democratic nominee come August 2008. But how can that be, you ask? Follow me below the fold for an explanation.

The simple fact remains that a majority of delegates must be received in order to win the party nomination. Thus, Hillary, Obama, or Edwards must receive at least 2209 of the 4372 delegates. What does that have anything to do with Gore you might ask? Well, consider this: a three-way race emerges and none of the three major candidates obtain a majority of delegates. That, of course, would result in a brokered convention, an idea that until recently I had thought was little more than a political scientist's fantasy.

I'll be honest: I thought anything less than an outright Edwards win in Iowa would virtually knock him out of the race. Seemingly, though, I was wrong. On the contrary, Edwards seems to be enjoying quite a bounce from his 2nd place finish - he has tacked on nine points to his national numbers over the past week. Likewise, he's creeping up to 20% in recent New Hampshire polls. In short, if Edwards has a better-than-expected showing in New Hampshire, this will be a three-person race. Also, as Chris Bowers noted earlier today, Clinton will have a significant share of the delegate count regardless of how she does in the early states, especially with her automatic win in Michigan later this month. Finally, although they will not accumulate a significant number of delegates, Richardson and Kucinich will accumulate some votes at the convention, especially if they hang around through February 5.

Hillary and Obama, given their huge war chests will compete through February 5th - that's a given. Today though, Edwards proclaimed that he will stay in the race through the party's convention. I'm no mathematician, but unless Edwards, Hillary, or Obama falls to 10% in the polls, it will be incredibly difficult for anyone to come out with an outright majority of delegates.

Flash forward to late August - none of the "big three" have a majority and the convention is brokered. What happens? For one, unless one of the candidates is extremely close to a majority, I can't imagine any candidate being able to coax enough delegates to switch their support on the second ballot. Likewise, I can't imagine any candidate "releasing" their delegates to vote for someone else unless some deal is struck whereby a VP spot is guaranteed or something to that effect. That only leaves one option: a compromise candidate. It has been mentioned a few times that Al Gore would be the perfect fit if such a scenario arose - he has universal name recognition, a huge grassroots following, and has had one of the most impressive years imaginable, winning an Oscar, Emmy, and Nobel Peace Prize.

And please, before the first nine out of ten comments read "Leave the man be, he has said 'no,'" let me remind you that Al has yet to outright rule out a run in the future. In fact, in the diary I wrote in November stating my support for Obama, I had speculated that he kept the door slightly ajar in the [then] unlikely event that there was a brokered convention. While you can take it however you'd like, I have heard from sources that Gore would indeed be receptive to a convention draft.

Before you call me crazy, let me remind you that none other than Joe Trippi actually predicted the very scenario I lay out here - a brokered convention with Gore coming in and winning:

"I may be the first idiot foolish enough to say it out loud, but we could be looking at something unheard of in the modern era, someone going into convention with only 30%-40% of delegates."

Also: "What could happen is that we're headed for a brokered convention...Edwards, Hillary and Obama may have enough cash before Iowa even happens to go all the way. Polls are all basically in dead heats. Not one is going to blow out the other two. If they keep this pace up, they'd have enough money to go all the way. I never thought I'd say this in modern politics that it's possible to have a brokered convention...fighting it down to the last state."

Finally, Trippi raised the prospect of Al Gore becoming the nominee in a brokered convention scenario: "If there was a brokered convention going on, that [Al Gore coming in and winning the nomination] could be how that plays out.

I guess that makes two foolish idiots. Eh, well maybe not - I'm not going to go as far as to predict it will happen...I'm just speculating that it may happen. Just this week, Paul Abrams over at the Huffington Post speculated about a brokered convention as well and Gore coming in to save the day:

With the potential of a truly fractured Democratic field, the one person who could heal that wound and set the race on fire would be Al Gore. Untarnished by the primary battles, redeemed both by his own successes and Bush's failed presidency, with a cause that percolates down to 1st graders who go on nature walks, and with a conviction not to be handled by "handlers" (who are killing Hillary now, as they did Gore in 2000), Gore would be perfectly positioned to run a winning fall campaign. Although Hillary herself would be loathe to "release" her supporters to Gore, many of the super-delegates and a large fraction of the actual delegates would nominate Gore in a heartbeat, and only those states where the delegates are committed on the first ballot could be held.

It may not be likely, but if there's one thing I've learned in politics, it's never to say never.

I posted something similar in another thread and was thinking the exact same thing you're thinking.

I think the magic number is 2026 (I could be wrong).

Nonetheless, I agree. Until Gore endorses someone, it's not over yet!

"....is never to say never."

Hmmm, sounds like something I would say, though I've been told that's an interesting philosophy to live by... :coolwink:

I've been giving this brokered convention some thought myself. Is it just me or do the odds of this happening seem to be getting greater?? :Y: I am wondering if this is what Gore has been thinking. Everything he has said would fit in nicely with this...no plans to run, haven't ruled it out, may get back into politics sometime in the future, store up that energy, would create other problems....yada, yada, yada.

Or am I just giving in to the tea leaf reading again. :blink:

A brokered convention would be awesome... :rolleyes:

No, I think the odds are zero.

In a few weeks Hillary will leave the race.

Edwards is not going to win any states at all and Obama will roll to the election.

this is a steamroller effect, and Obama may just win NY (after being down 30 points there)...why in the world would Bill Clinton allow his wife to be humiliated by continuing? She would just continue to drop (and run the risk of Richardson being ahead of her...

At this point, if Obama is in the lead how in the world will a White Male be allowed to stop a Black person?

There would be war in the country, and Gore knows it.

And I personally don't know if I would appreciate that.Along with millions others. AFter all, isn't Edwards doing a whisper campaign saying he is the great Last White Hope? That stuff don't work for Democrats. The public stated they don't want a negative campaign. And that would mean a negative campaign.
(And, last thing Gore would want is for him to be told he is stealing the election from a black man...that will not happen. Al should have gotten into the race a long time before Obama did. Hillary did not count on Obama running, however, neither did Al

I am betting Gore will endorse Obama within the next 2 weeks.
This thing is over.
IMHO of course.

But let us rejoice in the fact that Hillary has lost.
The Queen is gone, long live the Constitution. Not the monarchy of 2 families.

There is no way Hillary drops out in a "few weeks." She will, at the very least, compete through the February 5th contests that include NY, CT, NJ, and AR, four states that Clinton will win. She has offices in many of the Feb. 5 states and has tons of cash to be able to compete...unless she finishes third in New Hampshire, which seems extremely unlikely, there's no reason to believe she'll drop out; even then she may still hang around.

The case for Edwards dropping out, on the other hand, can be made. He doesn't have much organization in the Feb. 5 states, but something is telling me that he is becoming more than just a presidential candidate - part of me thinks he's campaigning to give a voice to the voiceless. In other words, while it's their #1 priority, their campaign means more than just winning. A brokered convention hinges on whether or not he sticks around 'til the bitter end.

Are you joking? There's no way!

Edwards being stubborn (good thing too) and staying to the end is key to all of this.

Hillary is already stubborn and has already raised nearly $100 million in campaign funds. Does anyone think she is prepared to give all the money back and throw away her chance at being the first female president? Besides, the special interests that fund her campaign will not allow it!

Obama knows the rules. He knows what the magic number is (2209 or 2026, whichever is the delegate total needed to win). If he doesn't get the magic number, a brokered convention is fair game.

As far as Black voters being angry, they love to talk about 'keeping it real!' Obama can't compare his resume and stardom with a equally popular rock concert-promoting, Nobel Prize/Emmy Award/Academy Award-winning, former VP who should already be the President (and deep down, Black voters know it and will eventually accept it).

BTW, Obama might not win the General Election anyway, because there's always the possibility of some white folks chickening out in the end.

Her aides are in a battle as to when she drops out

It's all over the headlines right now

Some say immediate, some say after super tuesday, but her money is drying up, and most of her aides are looking at the stats and seeing she won't win

(now it is possible outside chance that it won't be Obama, but it sure won't be Hillary...

She is not going to ruin the entire Clinton legacy losing one primary after another
If she stays much longer she will do just that

The sooner the better if you ask me :clap: :clap: :clap:


Once one gets the stench of the loser, like Dean got in 2004, there is no way they come back. Hillary has that stench now.

Good riddance to rubbish. Wish we never heard of the Clinton's and Gore was president in 1992-2000. The world would be totally different place had that happened.

I am dancing for joy at Hillary's misfortunes.

I really dont see Hillary dropping out before Super Tuesday. She still has a lot of money, a lot of endorsments and the reality is that the majority of the voting public - inasmuch as we are seduced by the Iowa/New Hampshire events - are hip to the fact that two small states, not representative of a cross section of Americans CANNOT be allowed to determine the nominees of the party. THey serve to weed out the guys who never had a shot to begin with, the Dodds, Bidens, etc... but where serious money still exsists, the battles in Florida, NY, etc are going to have more significance. This is why states are jockeying to reposition their primaries. THe more we look at this system the more it seems we need something different.

But to the point of this thread, I too believe the potential exsists for a brokered convention. Perhaps the people who authored the West Wing Plot line in the final season saw this coming.. But I Believe Hillary will hold on and win some larger states to make it a horse race. Edwards might syphon just enough to keep either she or Obama from being the nominee.

I dont believe the Al would stand in the way of something as historic as Obama's ascendency to be the nominee and eventual President. But I do see a scenario where none of the three campaigns would release delegates to the other. Hillary isnt interested in the VP and neither is Edwards, so theres no deal there.

As much as I want Gore to finally be our national leader... I have to say that I could support any of the current front runners and find myself inspired by both Obama and Edwards. I think Hillary would not be a bad President... But she isn't Bill and doesn't deliver the message in a way that she could get the support of more than just the Democrats Base.

I think we will see a clearer picture after February 5th and as others have said... If Gore makes an endorsement prior to that.... we know it will be over.

I know I'm not the first one here to read or respond to this, but all I have to say is ......................NO WAY IN HELL.

Hillary will never give up that easily.

Oh, I think the odds are greater than zero, ReElect, and could very well happen if neither Obama, Hillary or Edwards get the magic number.

Even though I agree that Hillary's numbers are sliding, it'll be a COLD day in hell before she folds. I think she'll hang in there a good while longer.

I think Edwards will do good in enough states to give him a shot at 1/3 of the delegates, along with Hillary. The race is far from being over and one good turnout doesn't mean Obama's got it in the bag. He is doing good though and if he's bringing in Republicans and Independents, then that's a good thing.

As for your comment about how in the world would a white male be allowed to stop a black male?? By his credentials, that's how. If neither of the top 3 Dems get the magic number, then how would that be Gore's fault by getting in the race? Obama should be able to stand on his own two feet and compete. He does have charisma and is bringing in the voters, but if he doesn't get enough delegates, how can that be held against Gore?

Gore has stayed out of the fray all this time, I think out of respect for the other Dems. He didn't want to ruin it for them, but if no one gets enough delegates, I say the race is fair game.

Stealing the election from a black man? Nonsense! We saw an election stolen in 2000. This is called the political process...

A brokered convention with Gore emerging as the candidate, and Obama as veep, sounds good to me, but Obama may be unstoppable. He's leading by double digits in New Hampshire and South Carolina, and is now tied with Clinton in the national polls -- a jump of 20 percentage points in a couple of days.

I say Gore should leap the U.S. presidency and go for U.N. Secretary General -- that's where he can really set the planetary agenda.

Yes, a brokered convention with Gore emerging as the candidate and Obama as his veep would be great. Of course, if Obama is unstoppable, then I say more power to him. For Obama to come in and take the frontrunner spot from the presumed frontrunner Hillary says a lot. I had my reservations about Obama but after seeing how he did in Iowa, I'm ready to give him a chance, if Gore is out of the picture. I would also vote for Edwards, too, if he won the nom. I just really don't want Hillary in because she does not seem genuine. I don't trust her and I think she does represent the status quo.

If all of the candidates stay in the race, Gore will come out the winner because no one will have enough delagates. The big people in the party will go after Gore. I truly believe that Obama and Hillary are unelectable at this time in history. Obama is not ready for prime time and Hillary has too much baggage. This is why they wanted the draftgore stopped. He will be there when it counts. I'm sorry, but Obama can not be elected, and we will have the GOP for four more years.

I'm with Patsy.

If the primaries are fair and not fixed, the super delegates are going to start to flock to Obama

They are the key

Super delegates don't like going to losers, because those super delegates want their hands in the pie after the election

So HIllary is going to start losing those too

As for Edwards, he is not going to win one state, and he never was going to get very many in the big blue states
That was suppose to be Hillary's ace in the hole, and the polling in NY is showing a mega backing off of her

She will not stay in the race past NY if she keeps losing(and while McAuliffe says she will be in race through super tuesday, last I looked, that is now just 3-4 weeks
away)

She and Bill won't be spoilers especially as they don't win in the end
Why in the world would Bill and Hill do that?
Although James is enamoured by her here, I have constantly said the Clinton's and McAuliffe did everything so that Gore would not run in 2004 and 2008

Why in the world would they help Gore now?
That just doesn't make any sense.
With Hillary out of a race she won't be the nominee in, only 2 remain standing
and Edwards is going for the VP (at which point he will wheel and deal and then there was only 1 standing).

Because Edwards can't end up the nominee either, so why would he help Gore when Gore wouldn't take him as his VP?

Think about it.

Also think that maybe Gore behind the scenes has been helping Obama.
That being the case, Gore won't sabatoge him, would he?
We like to think Gore is about that here, isn't he?

IF Gore's remarks were taken as being true(and we all trust him), then maybe Gore actually feels Obama as President will achieve what he wants without Gore actually have had to dirty himself running. He can keep above the political fray

It's alot different than Hillary having been corronated.

And let's just agree to disagree

I personally feel if the vote is not fixed(and if it is then it won't matter who the candidate is)

Obama will win 400-440 electoral votes, over 40 states and win in all 4 areas including the deep south

He is going to pick up new voters not seen

Look at the Iowa stats about how many 1st time voters actually voted
Had they voted in 2004, Howard Dean would have been President

The kids today are color blind. That is the big difference. And the public wants clean and not dirty.
If that holds true (and there is not a stolen vote), then they can't campaign against Obama because there is no way to run against that

This might be as historic as FDR was.(and Gore is very smart, he probably knows that).

It's looking to me like Obama will win the New Hampshire primary and probably most of the super-Tuesday states as well. Hillary and the Clinton machine have unraveled. 70 percent of Iowa Democrats did not want the "inevitable candidate", and she will have to find a way to gracefully concede. It's not like she doesn't already have a good job, eh?

I think this is a victory for grass-roots Democratic activists and bloggers, the peace movement and democracy itself. It's also a victory for the sometimes archaic and obscure American primary system. Thank goodness that Iowa and New Hampshire get to vote first. It's retail politics that prevents big media and advertising dollars from dictating the results. Candidates must actually travel to these small towns and take questions from ordinary citizens. A national primary? NO WAY!

And yes, I think Obama can win the general election. Whether he gets 300 electoral votes or 400 electoral votes we'll see.. he might win in a landslide.

It could be I'm wrong and there will be a brokered convention. If so, or if something unimaginable happens, Gore is ready to step up. But right now I don't see anything stopping Barack Obama from winning the White House and I wouldn't be too surprised if Al is giving Obama advice behind the scenes.

Stay tuned

The Democratic primaries and caucuses are proportional, not winner-take-all.

The only way for Obama to seal the nomination early is if he sweeps Super Tuesday by HUGE DOUBLE DIGIT MARGINS (not going to happen). A lot of these states have huge Hispanic populations, which actually might encourage Richardson to stick around a little longer.

Obama clearly doesn't have a lock on the Hispanic vote, otherwise he would be winning by double digit margins everywhere. In fact, the Hispanic vote may be the one voting block that might save Hillary and keep her going past Super Tuesday (assuming that Richardson doesn't monopolize it).

The longer Clinton, Edwards, Richardson, and Kuchinich stay in the race and eat up delegates that would have otherwise gone to Obama, a brokered convention becomes more likely.

One more thing: Bill Clinton cares more about ENHANCING HIS LEGACY AS PRESIDENT than about Hillary being embarassed. And Al Gore is a part of his legacy. So it's in Bill's best interest to ensure that either Hillary or Gore make it to the White House by any means necessary. And if it means Gore becoming the nominee via a brokered convention, I don't think the vast majority of Gore supporters will object to it.

Dennis Kucinich has basically told his fans already to vote for Obama (he did so in Iowa). (I wish Obama would make Dennis his most trusted advisor, maybe then things would change).

Al Gore is NOT part of the Clinton legacy. Al Gore shunned(and the best move he ever made, Clinton in 2000). :clap: :clap: :clap: Al Gore hated what Bill did to the White House, and moved far away from him (and also moved far to the left of the Clinton's (Thank God for that).

Hillary is Bill's legacy, another part of a legacy that in essence is ZERO.

And for all we know, Al is in the shadows of the Obama camp already. And Al most likely already gave his backing when the two met. (Why else did Al say no, did he stop the write-in, did he meet with President to be Obama).

Richardson always was a lapdog for Hillary.(I have said that about a million times).
After all, he was like a bagman for Bill (big pockets, no votes).

What is amazing is why the "smears" of Obama are coming from people here who should like the fact that Obama is the only one who didn't want the war from the start (unlike all the hypocrites who flipflopped waffled one way then another like Edwards and Hillary and Biden and Dodd and Richardson and the like).

Unless Bill Clinton is extorting all the super delegates (and he just might, they are corrupt and dirty those Clintonites, and liars(convicted of lying, impeached and all that), those super delegates shall flee to Obama.

Good riddance to the Clinton's. May the just along with the Bush's disappear off the face of the earth into some country that has no extradition treaties and may we never hear from any of the Clintonites (Schumer/Rahm/Sandy Berger, Terry McAuliffe and his goofy grin, ta ta Terry good bye from your job), etc.
They should all leave DC forever and power forever. They ruined the party.

I don't know which of the 3 I am happiest about
That Hillary is forever repudiated and shamed
That Bill is being repudiated and shamed
Or that a Black is actually going to be President (a moment I for one have been thinking never would happen but hoping for).
It means Dr. King's great victories which were being taken away the last 28 years since Reagan, are going to permanently be in the record book when one looks at
one of those pictures of all the first 44 Presidents.

And it's a damn great moment in the history of this country.
From slavery to the Presidency.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

It means people all over this country will for 4 or 8years turn their tv on and when the President speaks, it will be something they never saw before

BRAVO!!!!And I cannot believe any liberal progressive or democrat could complain about that.
And it gives THE #1 biggest group that democrats have as supporters a thank you and that they are being listened too
:clap: :clap: :clap:

And you guys told me not to look for a 3rd party candidate, that I had to stay in the democratic camp.
Well, by golly gee, President Barack Obama IS a democrat. And he has my support
wholeheartedly 100percent.

Isn't that what you wanted James and AGF?

And I spit on the political grave of the Clinton's.
And like Elvis Costello sang about Maggie Thatcher, one day decades and decades off into the future, but today on your proverbial political grave, I would like to
"Tramp the dirt down".

Bill should have resigned that weekend when he defamed the White House.

Al Gore would be wrapping up 10 of the best most peaceful great prosperous years in the White House this year. THE CLINTONS stole that from Al Gore, sure as the people did.

(and in an aside for my CT fans- one day, it will become public knowledge that
Ken Starr worked on the same team as the Clinton's. He was their FIXER much like
George Clooney played in Michael Clayton, or Woody Harrelson played in No Country for old men(an allegory about the Bush/Clinton's?) and Harvey Keitel played in Pulp Fiction. Ken was part of the team it has been theorized, a theory more people should look into. (It was never the sex but a massive coverup of historic proportions much like the pardon of Mr.Rich was not what it seemed).

And google Hillary and cackle and the WW of Oz for a most funny short vidclip.

And let Obama bring in all the changes Al Gore wants for our problems in all fields.
If I were Al, I would be Obama's VP in a heartbeat.
No shame in that.

But maybe Al doesn't want any of it, like he has implied about a million times, and maybe Al is doing what Mike Bloomberg has done, just kept in the game to try and move things along to the better of mankind.

The move from Hillary to Obama is just that ....a move things along to the better of mankind. I bet Al Gore is very, very, very happy over these turn of events and is sleeping soundly again. I expect his endorsement of Obama will come shortly.
That keeps him in the game and moves the world closer to being saved from global warming.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

If you were this board and the entire draft movement wouldn't exist! :tongue:

Geeze, already!!!! It's really a shame that you don't put all that pent-up Clinton anger to a better use, like, say for example, toward the impeachment of the current regime, who certainly are, by far, much more deserving of pent-up anger!!! Or perhaps focus on doing something positive to help save the environment. Fight for peace! :Y:
You've got to get over this Clinton thing you've got going - really!! Please! :dripple:

"If you lose your keys in a river of molten lava, let 'em go... 'cause, man, their gone." :unsure:

No, one can't let go the theft of 2000 and the fact that Hillary and Bill would not do anything to investigate the Bush's in 1993 or in 2009 if she takes office

Why do you think 41 worded his statement toward Bill's remark about traveling with him. He said something to the effect he would not do anything negative against a member of his own family so if that were the case he would not go with Bill and would not play a role.
(however, implying what he meant, he said, I would be happy to do a joint tour again, long as we go foward, not backward). He did not say a definite no, just no
on the basis of the exact words in Bill's trial balloon. (open to negotiation).

Forgetting means Jeb in 2012 or 2016 or GWB4 in 2020 and 2024
Repudiating it all means never again
Sorry, but that is important to me, as is the civil rights/racism issue for 40 years now.
F Hillary leaves the race, there will not be a draft, a brokered convention or anything.
If Edwards sides with Obama for a job in Obama's administration or VP, he will not stop Obama's victory
IF Gore in a zililon to one would want the nom at a brokered, then it would have to be w/ Obama as VP, therefore, what is in it for Edwards to do that, he will broker a deal before hand with Obama.?

Hillary is not going to be the candidate. She won't stay to play spoiler, because last thing she needs to do is be on his s$it list if she remains a senator.She will still be angling for influence (I hope she gets none, but realistically she will).

Besides, maybe, just maybe Hillary herself might want to be VP, a heartbeat away
(God forbid in my opinion, but odd things do happen) :spikey:
Then she would deal make. Or maybe save herself for another run in the future(unlikely, but not impossible).

You gotta all admit, the odds for a brokered convention are slim to none
The odds if after that Gore gets it are more slim to none
Let's be realistic here

This is an event that is unheard of in the modern time
This is the equivelant of 100 million people spontaneously taking to the streets in all walks of the country
Has anyone seen this type of enthusiasm since, well, since Kennedy?

It was not there in 1980,1984,1988,1992,1996,2000,2004
It wasn't like this for Carter in 1976, certainly not for Nixon in 1972 and most people knew McGovern didn't stand a chance in 1972

And let's say there was another manufactured 9-11 tomorrow, that will not stop this either, nor will a war, because Hillary and Edwards still would not be the one to get the nomination.

IMHO of course.
It goes against what Al Gore has said to just walk away and forget. Not when real life is at stake from all these events. It's not a football game, rah rah team.

I told you guys, Al should have entered in Christmas 2003 if he wanted to be President. Before Hillary, before Obama, he would have had the field all to himself(yes, the barbs and rightwing), but he could have done that.

A brokered is just not an odds on choice
(and some of the people at Kos, who keep writing these things are very anti-Obama for whatever reason they perceive...as such, take some of those with a grain of salt)

So in other words you're upset that the Clinton's didn't abuse their power to pursue a partisan witch hunt.

I thought that was the type of thing we are fighting against!

Would you let W and Cheney just walk off into the sunset in Jan. 2009 and say don't worry about it, all is forgiven?

So that those people become heroes like Oliver North did to some? Or G. Gordon Liddy? Men who broke the law, should have been tried for treason, yet to some are heroes for breaking the war?

Read Robert Parry's excellent article at (hand-typed)

more recent 12/31/07
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/123107.html

or his classic
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/031505.html

and this is from the man who has written more investigational reports about Iran/Contra than anyone else

Truth be told.

As I mentioned in another thread, Al Gore's new book is scheduled to come out this summer. This new book was originally supposed to come out in March; now it scheduled to possibly be unveiled around the time of the convention! Wow, what a coincidence!

If Gore intends to endorse Obama by Super Tuesday, what's the point of writing a new book about how to fix the country? Al Gore has written enough books as it is, and he certainly doesn't need the money! If Al Gore trusts Barack Obama to save America and the world, then there's no need for Al Gore to write a new book about how to save America and the world, right? :coolwink: :coolwink:

Until Gore endorses Obama or mysteriously decides not to publish his new book, a brokered convention can't happen soon enough for me!

Of course, Al did not know Obama would stunningly move to the top

He was assuming as everyone else was, that Hillary would have made a stronger candidate

And just like this has taken the wind out of an independent run, events sometimes have a mind of their own

Besides, the country won't be fixed for a long time

The next president don't get seated until Jan.2009

And it will take years to right all the wrongs of the last three decades

Not in one day, not in 6 days and the 7the we rest.
It will take years as the destruction took decades.

(it's like a diet- you put on weight for your whole life, then expect it to fall off
instantly? No, it's a life-long change to do what needs to be done, not one month)

Gore and the important democrats did know that Hillary would fall apart, and so will Obama. I would like to see Obama go for it, but he will not be elected in the general election. He is not ready to be president. We just had sonmeone for eight years that was not ready to be president. Look! at the mess that he has created.

Daily Kos and Democratic Underground are reporting that Draft Gore New Hampshire will endorse John Edwards.

Wow, how convenient! Edwards isn't going to win, but this endorsement will encourage him to stay in the race and soak up delegates that would have otherwise gone to Hillary or Obama.

A brokered convention looks better every day...

That's what we need to do. Manipulate the vote. :coolwink: Keep it neck and neck and neck and hope for a miracle.

Hillary has been projected as the winner in NH. I guess Hillary will stick around until the end. Obama will still win SC, but he is no longer seen as the savior of America and the world.

The real savior will be annoited during the brokered convention seven months from now.

So has Clay's head exploded yet? :laugh:

As usual you put words in my mouth when you can't refute what I said.

I was talking about 1993. But speaking about now, I don't know of any of the major candidates who have pledged to investigate and prosecute Bush & Cheney.

That's not the Clinton's fault. It's the fault of the GOP. Blame them and stop blaming the Clintons for everything bad that has happened for the last 20 years.

Truth be told there is not a lot of truth in Parry's article. Just telling or writing the same lies over and over again doesn't make them true.

The truth is Iran-Contra took place over 6 years before Clinton took office and all major investigations, including by Congress and a Special Prosecutor, had taken place long before Clinton was President. Blaming Bill Clinton for not investigating Iran-Contra is like blaming FDR for not investigating Tea Pot Dome.

Excuse me but you have no idea what Gore assumes or doesn't assume. You are not psychic. All you're doing is blowninga lot of hot air.

Speak for yourself. Please don't presume to speak for Al Gore.

:laugh:

:P :laugh:

But the vote was fixed

Diebold scanners read the paper ballots

See my separate post for a link on that

If you thought 2000 was fixed, then you should definitely watch it before commenting on tonights fixed race

(unless of course Al had a hand in it, then its ok :lol: if it leads that way

Because something sure smells rotten just like election night 2000 and 2004
and Max Cleland's senate race and others...

Maybe everything should be like a caucus
Stand in a room, televised and state your choice in front of everyone
Not perfect, but this system is the most corrupt ever

Hypothetical Road To The Brokered Convention:

Hillary will win Michigan and Florida (350+ delegates total) and will not be rewarded any delegates for her victories. She will have to beg Howard Dean to reinstate them.

Obama will win SC (massive Black vote). Rumor has it that the Culinary Union in Nevada will endorse Obama, so he should get a win there.

Edwards will hopefully keep his word and stay in the race to the bitter end and win delegates that would have otherwise have gone to Hillary or Obama. Even though he finished third in NH, he got 4 delegates. These delegates eventually add up.

Super Tuesday will go back and forth between Hillary and Obama in very close races. Edwards will not win any states, but will win a lot of delegates in the South.

We will finally get to see the Hispanic vote in action. Richardson should win his home state of NM. He should win a decent share of delegates in California, Arizona, and Colorado. Unlikely to stay to the end, but hope springs eternal.

Post Super Tuesday states will also be split by Hillary and Obama in very close races.

A hypothetical delegate/superdelegate count leading to a brokered convention could look something like this where no one gets the magic number (2209 delegates to clinch):

Hillary - 1500 delegates (potential slight advantage with superdelegates)
Obama - 1400 delegates
Edwards - 800 delegates
Richardson - 200 delegates
Everyone else - 50 delegates
Florida/Michigan - 350 delegates (disqualified)

:o I was wrong :lol:

All as I know is

If it ain't OBAMA

it better the HELL not be Hillary.
More than ever I will NEVER ever vote for Hillary so I hope this brokered convention work out if it aint Obama

I smell a rat here

Oh Clay! Nobody likes a sore loser :tongue: