Buried in the attached story about Romney having to "backpedal" on some statements.

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Democrat Al Gore faced similar questions during the 2000 campaign, when he falsely claimed to have accompanied a federal disaster relief official on a tour of a fire zone, and on previous occasions when he claimed more credit than many felt he warranted about the creation of the Internet, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and the Love Canal toxic waste investigation.

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I'm just blown away that the AP, and MSNBC, would repeat such lies that have been debunked over and over. Perhaps Al knows that there are still a lot of people in the mainstream media who are intent on trashing him. WTF did Al do to these people to cause them to just ignore reality like this?

You notice how the AP couched it, however...

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when he (Gore) claimed more credit than many felt he warranted about the creation of the Internet, the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and the Love Canal toxic waste investigation.

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They don't come out and say he lied about these, but that "many felt." This is pathetic journalism. But I guess we're rather used to this crap by now, but it still stinks.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22361410

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I saw an even worse example on Dan Abrams show on Thursday night. Abrams and Craig Crawford were discussing Rudy Giuliani's exaggerations regarding 9/11 when Crawford said:

I was shocked since Crawford is usually a pretty fair guy and I couldn't believe that Abrams didn't correct him on it.

The only person on MSNBC or anywhere in the MSM that can be trusted is Keith Obermann. I can't remember how many times I've seen Obermann bust a right-wing lie on his show only to see Chris Matthews or Tucker Carlson repeat the very same lie the next day.

You know, it's no wonder that Al prefers to stay out of the race. These punks are SO threatened by him and what him in office might do to their pocketbooks, it's ridiculous.

Well, despite how badly we need Al Gore in office, I'm happy for him, that he is content in what he is doing. And he's done a lot of good while out of office and has made a lot of headway in the climate crisis. Yet, people are fighting him tooth and nail all the way. :unsure:

:clap: and that is the bottom line.

Agree without a doubt.

Most refuse to acknowledge the blatant lie's about Gore because their still scared to death of him. IMO.

Olberman should call Craig Crawford on that.

Crawford is a rather frequent "guest" on Keith's Countdown show. I'd like to see Keith confront Craig about Craig's comments.

"Oh, and by the way, Craig, let's talk about your recent comments about Al Gore inventing the internet. It'll just take a second."

But, apparently, this idea that Gore claimed that he invented the internet will persist through time immemorial regardless of the truth and how many times it gets debunked.

I guess that's just "politics?"

I wonder what other (determined) lies have been told about other people that persisted, regardless of the truth? Could be a book in there somewhere.

As the old saying goes "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its pants on".

The problem is that these lies about Gore (and others) are given a platform at all. Once they are given a platform they take on a life of their own and in many cases become the convention wisdom.

As I said in other thread, the MSM has confused objectivity and fairness. Too many are concerned about being fair which many times is not fair at all.

Too many have a misguided idea about censorship, which is the government silencing a legitimate dissent from all platforms and is not exercising proper editorial control to prevent unsupported propaganda.

That's depressing, but true, and makes me wonder how we can ever change the way things are in the media. Those that spread lies should be held accountable for what they broadcast. I guess this is what Gore is talking about regarding the tipping point in attitudes in our society.

Unfortunately there is no way to hold them accountable. What is needed is news editors with guts and integrity to stop giving these people a platform.

A few years back on the Daily Show Jon Stewart aired a clip of a debate on CNN regarding Gays adopting children. The person opposing it cited a study that she claimed supported her position. Stewart fact checked what she said and found that she was lying. He also pointed out that the CNN moderator failed to correct her. Stewart's exact words were "Wouldn't it be nice if CNN called people on their BS".

And that is the problem because of misguided notions of fairness the news networks allow people to come on and lie without correcting them.

In this very forum, in another thread, a troll is spewing BS about Global Warming (and accusing Al Gore of being a liar) and is allowed to do so because of similar misguided notions about fairness and censorship. If such a person is allowed a platform here then how can we complain about the MSM and in the end the only loser is the truth.

Well, if the MSM, CNN and all news media, for that matter, made it clear to the audience that what they say is more opinion than fact, that would be one thing, but that would defeat their purpose of brainwashing the public. Free speech is great until people go around spewing lies as the truth. Gore is spot on in Assault on Reason in regards to the media. Some people listen to the news and believe everything they hear, without thinking about what is spewed.

Just like earler this year, around Earth Day, I believe, there was a segment on our local news about the "dangerous" aspect of flourescent light bulbs. They went to a commercial break and when they came back, it turns out the "dangerous" aspect was that they contain a small amount of mercury and if you break one, it could be hazardous. :!: Well, how's that different from having a temperature thermometer or household cleaners in the house? Or how about burning up the Earth with CO2? Doesn't it stand to reason that that is "dangerous?"

Yeah, I saw the new troll on the block. I started to respond to his posts, but after reading them, I decided that it wouldn't make any difference what I said. He or she is determined to believe what they want to believe. I would like to challenge the person to watch AIT, though, but my guess is that he's probably heavily invested in the oil & gas business and wouldn't change his attitude. This is an Al Gore Support site. I don't see why he needs to be here when he clearly does not support Al. If he sincerely had questions about Global Warming and came here for answers, that'd be one thing. But it appears he's just here to stir up trouble.

The problem is that no one wants to stand up for the truth. As Bob Somersby of the Daily Howler points out the MSM adopts a script and everyone is required to adhere to it. If you are a newspaper writer or pundit who doesn't adhere then you be asked on the shows like Meet the Press where you can hawk your books.

As far as the troll on this forum, he is taking advantage of a policy which is bourne out of a misguided understanding of fairness and censorship.

It's a shame that things are that way. I don't watch those channels myself (unless Al is going to be on) but I'm sure a lot of people do, so that's the kind of information they're being fed. I admire the fact that Al Gore hasn't been afraid to speak the truth, even if it's not what people want to hear.

As for the troll, he's a nuisance, but I don't think he'll change anyone's opinion here. It'd be easy (and nice) if he were just gone, but I have no problem with just ignoring him either. Sooner or later, if no one is posting with him, he'll surely get the hint and take his garbage somewhere else.

The problem is that by allowing this troll to have a platform here just legitmizes what he has to say. While you're right that he won't convert any of the better informed people that visits this board, some may read his BS and believe it thinking that since it is on a forum with Gore's name attached it must be true.

That's a good point there. Why should he have a platform here? His posts have been inappropriate. He is not geniune in wanting to know more about the GW issue. He is spewing what he wants to spew. There should be a line drawn between free speech and allowing others to come here to trash Al Gore. But at the same time, I trust the mods to monitor this kind of stuff and make the decisions that are best for the forum. If the troll continues to cause problems, then I'd ask that he be banned.

I'm aware of the person you are all referring to and a few of his/her posts have been deleted for bashing AL GORE and spreading lies about him, so he/she is not going unnoticed.

Thank you, AGIML. I'm sure it's a tough job having to filter through all the posts and decide what should be allowed and not allowed. I can understand those coming here with legitimate questions but not the ones that come here to sabotage the forum. Thanks for all you guys/gals do. :good:

Thanks. :clap: :clap: :clap: