I am curious. If Al does not run under any circumstances (draft (ended), 3rd party, brokered convention, act of God) then what will happen to this website?

I know it existed since prior to the 2000 election....but if Al really is done with Presidential campaigns, what void will this board attempt to fill?

Not trolling at all, very serious actually.

I would say that we should concern ourselves with supporting issues that are in line with Gore's positions such as Global Warming and the end of the war in Iraq.

If a Republican wins the presidency next year, we should start planning for the 2012 election. If a Dem wins, I would like to see an effort to pass a bill in Congress that would give Gore all the rights and privileges of a former President.

Your right James, we should continue to support the issues important to Al Gore. But I also have another suggestion.

The site is paid for and the activism of all concerned should not be lost. There are far too many issues we face that I believe Al Gore would also support. We should work to improve the world and hopefully solve the many down turns that we now face and our children will have to deal with for eons to come.

We have a forum available, Lets use it as long as it is here. To keep an active following we need to give them something to read. Something they find interesting.

Of course any news on Al Gore should have priority.

What will happen is that I will show up here from time to time and gnash my teeth. :(

I agree - we have to continue to supports the global issues that Gore continues to focus on. Our focus should be the same as his focus. He needs our backing no matter where his office is located!!

We need to keep our energy going; "save it up for the future" as Al advised in a recent interview. He wants us to stay on task for now.
We'll just have to accept some delayed gratification regarding the Presidency.

:good:

If the wrong democrat or any republican wins, there will be 2 years of mourning like the 7 years since 2000

And its on to 2012 and let's win there
And its on to 2016 and let's win there
And its on to 2020 and let's win there

I am the only one though that thinks any democrat will win 2008, just might be a terrible one?
Which is why we need Al on that ticket

Also-the only way Al would not endorse the eventual candidate, because it would be considered a no--no if he didn't, would be if he runs 3rd party

The choice is Al's...

I just wish, someone explain to me why he is not running already. Makes no sense to me.
The odds of a brokered convention on the democratic side are a zillion to one...
If Obama has enough delegates he and Hillary will deal, it won't go to a third person.(And I know people here don't think Al would rock the boat going 3rd party, but does any one SERIOUSLY think he wants people to say he didn't earn the nomination (as Hillary/Obama/Edwards will all whisper that behind the scenes if he (as they will say-STOLE)it from them. I just do not see it.

I am sorry, I do not think we should just live with it, as people are saying, we should just get over it.
Sorry, I am not over it. I won't get over it til justice is done and the decision is reversed.

Too bad we don't have a better question to answer-
IF Al Gore became an official candidate for the Presidency, then will this board continue (as an unofficial board), or will the Gore people want just an official one?
(Gore people being official in the campaign people, and people running the different boards). Could both co-exist at the same time?

The choice is Al Gore's and no one can give you a reason but Al Gore. Whatever his choice is we have no option but to live with it. Like it or not. We can not decide for him. If we could he would be on the ballot.

But we can make use of this board to inform the public of important issues that affect their lives and support his views.

To do any less is an admission we wasted all these years and a disgrace to the man we supported.

I can also feel your frustration ReElectAlGore2008 but the answer is not here.

And since it is not we should make the most of what we do have. A board to support his efforts and to inform the public.

I just wanted to say, Hi, and this seems like the best topic to do it in.

I just came over from algore.org, looking for a forum on which to discuss my views and opinions that would continue beyond the demise of any draft Gore movement.

Politically, I identify more closely with Gore supporters than any other group I can find. I sat in with the Thom Hartmann folks for a while, I poked around the John Edwards and Barack Obama camps. I just didn't find the fit I'd found on the OLD algore.org

Algore.org imo shot itself in the foot (or really, much higher) when they tried to get all glossy and "professional-looking." OK, it may have helped towards the goal of drafting Gore, but in any case, that didn't work out. Killing the old forum was a mistake.

Enough of that. The point I'd really like to make here is that Al Gore is not going away, and neither should this site. The name "algoresupportcenter does not have to mean support for an Al Gore candidacy only. I still support Al Gore in all his endeavors, whether related to the political climate or the global climate. Gore will continue to serve, perhaps as a member of the next president's cabinet, and I will continue to support.

I look forward to discussions with all of you, as time permits. Thanks for listening.

Welcome GOPStopper, nice to have you here

Just to be clear (and not that I had anything to do with it or that I approved of what they did), AlGore.org didn't make the website changes to get all glossy or be professional looking. The changes were made in anticipation of tremendously increased traffic on the site during and after the Oscars last February. The old AGO site would have crashed. Furthermore, Dylan felt that we needed the capability to do things like organize the meetup-style groups, post news, etc. I agree that the site missed the mark, and most people were extremely unhappy with the forum, which is why we suggested to people that they come over here to talk. In any case, we are most likely still going to go ahead with reforming under another name, getting our own website (with a real forum, etc.), and a PAC of our own. If no clear victor emerges after Super Tuesday, there is still hope for Gore to save the day at the convention. Slim, we know, but stranger things have happened. So we want to be ready to rally the troops again at a moment's notice, with a fully functional website, a PAC, etc.

My thoughts exactly!
We support Al Gore because we agree with his stance on the important issues. He's the one out there doing battle for us and we have to keep up the support!
If he looses someones support just because he's not running for Pres. this time, I would have to question their dedication to addressing those critical issues.

And, while we (selfishly) may not agree with his decision, we cannot fail to notice that he actually IS making a HUGE difference as a private citizen. Talk about an "Army of One"!! He's unsurpassed in his efforts! He's leading this massive global movement and certainly is deserving of our continued support! His official title is not the most important issue in play.

I only drop in from time to time, but I hope the Al Gore Support Center hangs around in one form or another for a long time to come.

I believe even if Al Gore doesn't run in 08, there is much work to be done in supporting his causes. As a President Gore was denied to the people by out right theft of our most fundamental right to vote and have our votes counted, thereby threatening our democratic republic, I believe the Internet in general and Al Gore sites in particular serve as the next best method of making our votes count or voices heard.

Quite right!

BUMP

Welcome (or should we say welcome back ;) ) GOPStopper

President-Elect Gore is not going away and neither should we. I don't know which way the path will turn but regardless we need to move forward.

Well said Wayne, never give up. Too much is riding on this caring group to improve all that is wrong and carry on Al's work.

Is it possible perhaps, that a weak republican president in 2008 could lead
to a Gore 2012 victory? (especially if the congress turns greatly democratic in both houses, so that a repub really can't do much at all?)

What is a shamen/huckster like Huck wins but can't do anything too dangerous(as he would not be strong like say a Rudy would be), nor would he be a uniter

And Gore would have a clear 2012 run, as all the others have run/lost and would not then be viable 4 years from now

(it's always dangerous of course, especially if another 9-11 is manufactured like they did this one...)

I would continue to root for Al Gore (e.g. through this forum) for president in 2008 or beyond. And barring that he's already our world leader whom we can help support :Y:
Just look at what he's been doing recently at the UN and at Bali.

There are many who believe that Gore has his eye on 2012.

How would Gore's 2012 chances compare given either a Democratic or Republican president in 2008?

Personally, I think that if he's got his eye on 2012 he's dreaming. His time is now, undeniably. First of all, many people have had enough of waiting. It's been 8 long years. He's been less than direct with us. A lot of people are pissed. I believe that if he waits a lot of people will just give up on him (and many already have, and they're not necessarily coming back). Also, beating an incumbent is REALLY difficult, whether a Rep. or a Dem., but particularly if it's a Dem. Damn near impossible unless the person's really messing up, which is unlikely.

If this is what he has in mind, I wish he'd rethink it. :rolleyes:

I'm still hoping he decides to run in 2008. Not really thinking about 2012. What a worse mess the world will be by then if another repug slithers in there for 2008. :bad:

What does Hillary or Obama have to offer? I truly believe that their campaigns are falling apart. It would insult me, if Obama brought Oprah to TN to try and influence my vote. I don't believe that Bill is helping Hillary. I think it is time for the Clintons to go away. Obama may be president one day, but he is not ready to take on the responsibility of being president. We can't wait and have someone learn on the job, we need somone that can go in and start working for the American people on day one.

From your mouth, earthmother.

Glad you said this. :clap: :clap: :clap:

(if I said it people would yell).
But I agree with you 100percent.

1/2 of what I say is just trying to goad him into running if someone or he himself reads it.

It just makes NO sense.

(again-if he just retired and said he was through that would be one thing...but he doesn't). He is not an old washed-up fighter. He is a young vibrant person who is the one to lead...
I will never understand the "politics" of why. Never.

It is his for the taking no matter which party.

Everyone is wrong. I have never felt more confident Gore is about to run. He told Rolling Stone that he would run for President if there is a global change in consciousness about the environment. That change is going to be bali.

Gore is the keynote speaker and he is going to stitch up a new planet saving deal. he has said he wants to bring the start date forward by two years to 2010 - guess what, he will win on that point and get all the credit.

There are only two outcomes from Bali - and either will be used by Gore as a pretext for an announcement for President. At Bali the first outcome is the the entire world agrees with whatever Gore says and then Gore can claim credit with the world media hailing him as the saviour of the planet. The second outcome is that the entire world agrees - except for the US. Therefore the world's media will say Gore has to run for President so he can save the world.

i tend to think it will be the first outcome because Gore and President Bush appeared to have a positive meeting in the Oval Office a few weeks ago and Gore said it went well and they talked about global warming only.

After Gore won the Nobel Prize he went and stitched up Merkel and Sarkozy and then he took a punt on the Australian election and befriended the then Opposition Leader Kevin Rudd. As usual Gore's punt paid off and now Prime Minister Rudd is one of Gore's key players at the Bali Conference.

Why cant any of you connect the dots? It is not a coincidence that the Bali Conference is on when Gore gets his Nobel Prize and that both events are happening a few weeks before the DEM primaries. I bet Gore's fingerprints are all over the timing of the Bali Conference. Its all about Gore for President but he has done it so skillfully that he has tricked the whole world into begging him to run but he sincerely looks like he doesnt want it because he is above politics. He wants it more than you and I.

Gore's daughter is a script-writer and she knows that every heroic story always ends on a bright note but just before the glorious triumph (ie 5 minutes before the end) all looks to be lost - but then at the last momemt the hero wins. We are now at the five minutes to go stage with Draft Gore saying its over. Its not over - the wait is about to be over.

Its going to be a Gore-Obama joint ticket for the primaries and I expect that Michael Bloomberg will say something soon like, 'I will run for President unless the best man for the job does and that is Al Gore.'

So everyone is wrong but you.

What the whole World begs him to do has no reverence at all. He's not running for World Leader, we want him for the American President. and I am so glad that no one but you can connect the dots. Can you also color inside the lines?

Bali is about the Climate not a bid for President. To do so would take away from the reason he's there. Hold your breath for that last five minutes...it doesnt always end as you think.

I'm sorry if I seemed rude but most of you post made little since and had rude elements in it also.

well lets see smarty. If Gore doesnt somehow find an excuse to run for President before Christmas I will be very, very surprised and will apologise.

I cant believe that Gore has engineered everything into place - and then doesnt decide to run. I think Gore is embarassed about taking the 2000 result to the Supreme Court beause he looked so desperately hungry for power. He's been running for President in 2008 since Dec 2000 but this time he was really anxious to make sure that he didnt look like he wanted it so badly.

So he has brilliantly got everyone (1) wanting him to run and (2) not looking like he wants to run. The media treatment Gore as though he is like the new Jesus. All he has to do is step forward and it will all be over. And believe me he is going to step forward a day or two after Bali - maybe just after he gets Times Man of the Year. That will be a few days before Christmas and since there is not usually much news around Christmas there will be wall to wall Al Gore for President coverage.

Well 5 post smarter than the 30,000 plus other posters I hope your right.

It would be a great Christmas present. And if he doesnt run then you have every right to be surprised but no need to apologise.

You gave your honest opinion and that's all any of us do.

:Y:

It sure would!! :) :clap: :)

It would be a great Christmas present-however-
Running in which party?
And will Obama be the leader in the delegate count, then give it away?

Or will it be brokered?
But brokered won't happened til the convention next year
And Obama is rapidly moving into a tie with Hillary, once in the lead, he just what, gives up?
That scenerio makes him entering as a Democrat impossible for the presidency

And if Jesus came back,(of course it would be as a liberal, being that peace and love and all that stuff is what we crazy liberals like), the rightwing media would crucify him again. And he would be hung again by the Bush administration, as they hang everyone who is honest and good.
They would swiftboat Jesus something awful.
I myself cannot stand the Gore is God stuff.
Gore is a human being. A politician born and bred to be President, same as a great racehorse is born and bred to win the Kentucky Derby. He is NOT God, nor should we be idolizing him as a God.

We want him to run for President...dates have been passing left and right for one important primary after another.
Gary Hart and Jerry Brown were 2 recent ones who could have won had they entered early, but didn't.
In 1992 Mario Cuomo did not run, he would have won.
and we still wonder why(at least I do.) )(and Cuomo's decision is just as mystifying to me as Gore's, one I have never come to terms with...just think if it had been Cuomo/Gore instead of Bill with Gore. But Cuomo did not run.
And Gore hasn't entered in time and if he is to, it won't be before the convention.

Because the fundamental question is- why in the world would a soon to be leading
Barack Obama give up his historic quest?
No, Gore might be his VP or Gore can run with the Unity08 or independent party with or without Bloomberg.
(Personally a Gore/Bloomberg ticket third party is the best ultimate solution).

But he can't legally enter primaries at this late date, and by Feb.5, it will all be over.
I said on this board Gore needed to enter before Obama did more than a year ago, that Obama's being black would make it 10x harder to come in as a democrat being thought of as the Great White Hope (something a now ultraliberal Gore would never in a zillion years do).
At this point, there are only two people who are going to pick up delegates-Hillary and Obama. Edwards is not going to get very many at all,neither are any of the others(I would be less than 300 total between all of them, probably less than 150).
That means the 2000-2200 that will be needed(not sure of # because of the tossing out of Florida,Mich. and others) will be achieved by one of the two.
At which point, why in the world would they give it up?(If Hillary cared about the party and Gore, she wouldn't have run in the first place, neither would anyone.)

BTW-we should have a thread on exactly how to spell Al Gore if we are writing his
name in.
Because technicalities count. If one person wrote Al and one wrote Albert and one wrote Albert Jr. and one wrote Gore or Sen.Gore or VP Gore or President Gore,you know they will count that as 7 separate people.
And Hillary would never let a thingy like that be allowed if she is still leading.

Thank you for your response RelectAlGore - I enjoyed what you had to say. There is however an error in your argument.

This is my idea. Gore announcing before Christmas a joint-ticket with Obama and then in those states where Gore's name cant get on the ballot, people vote for the Obama delegates and at the convention they vote for Gore. You dont believe this could happen because you think that Hillary and Obama are tied and why would Obama give that up.

With respect, you are completely dead wrong about Hillary and Obama being tied. The very best guage indicating where the race currently is at is at www.intrade.com This is a betting market where you can bet on who the DEM Nominee is going to be. Well over $10m has been bet on this market and it changes in price almost every minute as it works like a free market with buyers and sellers. The market currently says that Hillary has a 65% chance of being the candidate (down from 75% 5 weeks ago) and Obama has a 29% chance (up from 8% a few weeks ago). Edwards is around 5% and Gore is around 3% (down from 18% after the Nobel Prize announcement).

So in summary Hillary has a 65% chance of being the DEM nominee and Obama 29% - and that is after Oprah and all the positive media for Obama.

There is strong hints of collusion between the Gore and Obama camps going back more than 12 months. Gore's partner in Current TV has a father and he registered the website www.goreobama.com in Oct 2006. Gore and Obama always say nice things about each other. Obama is always treated well by the same media outlets that treat Gore well and Obama is given great coverage on Saturday Night Live where Gore's daugher is a scriptwriter. Both are chummy with Michael Bloomberg. I bet that Gore and Obama talk late at night regularly with Gore giving Obama campaign hints. The thing that has always suprised me is how cool he is about the whole run for President. I believe its because he knew all along his role was to prepare the way for Gore.

ReElectAlGore, if Obama was offered a 90% chance to be the Vice President as Gore's running mate or a 16.3% chance of being the President (the intrade current price) which do you think he would choose?

I would love to see it.

But I don't see Obama before Feb. doing it, and by Feb. if your totals are correct, Hillary will have it wrapped up

(I have said a long time that Hillary most likely has the great % of super delegates, which are 400 to 600 of the needed ones, making it that much higher.

I am not voting for any Clinton ever again (unless she had a great vp), so I do wish this happens.

Just the timing is not good.

I am one of the few here that think Gore will be the VP though(and concentrate on the climate/environment as VP, and be there on a breath notice if something happens to the president(which would be the way to become president without running for it if the next one is impeached or something else.)

Obama as Gore's VP of course would almost assure Obama of the Presidency 8 years down the road...

(the only other rumor floated around was that Hillary would name Obama to the US Supreme Court, where he could serve for 4 decades).