Just when the Rethugs thought it was safe:

GORE'S 2008


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Al Gore just said it! Asked if he was running, "I have no plans to run." Would you take a position in someone else's administration? "No. If I did get back into the political process, it would be as a candidate for president."

Oslo, December 10, 2007

It's Not Over Yet!

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What's the source of this quote? Not that I'm doubting you, I'm just afraid to get psyched again...
OK, I may be doubting a little... but don't take it personally. I just trying to be optimistically pessimistic. :?:

I have seen that quote in a few publications today, but isn't too late for him to enter as the Dem nominee? It boggles my mind, particularly in light of Clinton's implosion, why he did not get into the race. It was his for the taking, no resistance.

My God, stop with the teasing already, Al. I'm tempted to say that I can't support anyone who equivocates this much, but then, practically every politician does it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071210/pl_nm/usa_gore_dc_1

so much for all the he'll be Veep posts here. Thanks Al at least we cleared up that misconception!

It was great to hear his voice. His delivery is so much better than in 2000. He's grown a lot and is the only real adult out there in politics. I understand why he didn't start at the beginning of this race. He was savaged throughout that campaign by the press who ridiculed his stand on the environment calling him a fanatic. And Bush a good ol boy they just loved to jabber with on his campaign plane. Remember he won the majority vote throughout the U.S.A. It's the weird way we count votes (winner take all for each state) that made Florida so important. And then he only lost one vote--Sandra Day O'Connor's in the US Supreme Court. How would you feel if you went through all that to have stand there and concede to that frat boy???
I do hope he'll get back in someday, and it can't be too soon. But, no, of course he isn't going to serve some inferior (to him). as their symbol of progressive Democrats. He can make more impact on the world by talking to intelligent leaders of other countries (who are more likely to listen to him than to whatever President we elect) It is beneath his dignity to go running hat in hand begging all the Big Money in the US for a handout like everyone else is doing. Until our political campaigns are funded by government and shortened to a reasonable time frame you can't expect anyone except people willing to sell their principles to the highest bidder to run.

It was never a misconception. It was a delusion. And I use the term delusion because regardless of all the facts that were presented against it (from Gore's statements that he wouldn't serve in another administration to Obama dismissing the idea to all the historical precedents), the idea that Gore would ever would run for VP posted again and again and again.

One doesn't run for Vice President.
One accepts the call reluctantly, and for the country,when a presidential candidate asks.
This denial is just as flimsy as Al's lower extremity teasing routine with the electorate
One can only tease so long.

However-it does appear he is saying the following-because nowhere does he say anything about running as a Democrat, does he-

Gore/Bloomberg independ. run for the Presidency


I take this to be his declaring for the presidency June2008 on the Unity08(or whatever you call it) with Mike Bloomberg as the candidate, if Barack Obama does not become the nominee. (Al already has indicated he will not run if Obama is the nominee, so if it is Hillary or the HairBoy, he is running full steam ahead as an indpendent candidate to take back America.

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Hi ReElectAlGore2008

Where did Gore say he wont run if Obama is the nominee? I didnt think I missed anything but that is news to me.

Alpha-Omega-Gore

Here is exactly what Gore said in the interview:

Anyone can read the transcript at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0712/10/se.01.html

Now Gore is very clear here, unfortunately he is not running for President either as a Democrat or independent. Nor would he serve in the next administration in any capacity including VP.

This is why I've called speculation about Gore running as VP or an independent delusional. Both completely ignore what the man has said publically as well as his history. This is just the latest example.

In the past, Gore stated when asked that he would not serve in another administration. Also when asked if he would support Bloomberg running on a 3rd party ticket, Gore said "No. He's an independent, I'm a Democrat".

This is the reality of the situation. To deny it is delusion.

The good news is is that he did not shut the door to Presidential run sometime in the future. Now if a republican wins next year, who else can the party turn to but Gore in 2012.

2012 is possible.

But will there be an America?

BTW-I started a thread on that possiblity last week, and it wasn't very popular.
I guess though you and I agree James on 2012.

Well, one thing good is, if the republican wins, we can all sit here and argue for valid reasons for another four years. So this board can continnue with reason then.
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btw-he would be dumb if he were asked and doesn't take the position-because if for some reason he became the nominee for VP with Obama, and they didn't win, it won't be blamed on Gore, Gore would have taken one for the party/team and
people could easily say if only the ticket were reversed.
So, I don't see that he gave a Sherman about the VP...just a general statement "thinking" but not a Sherman.

First, if you are going to put through your environmental agenda, 2012 is too late (by Gore's own calculations). Secondly, myself as well as a couple of friends watching CNN, saw the door opening up more for him to run, not less. My conflict is more with how he will do it. If Clinton is the nominee, I think he goes Independent. If the Democratic Convention is deadlocked, and increasingly it looks that way, the delegates will probably turn to someone outside in the process and we know who that candidate will likely be. I am sure Gore has the strategy in place already of what he will do. Just watch the process, you saw some of it yesterday.

This is prime example of ignoring reality.

Gore is asked a straight question:

MANN: OK, let me ask you then, having made that clear before, would you serve in the next administration if you were invited?

To which he gives a straight answer:

GORE: No, no. You know, I haven't ruled out the idea of getting back into the political process at some point in the future. Don't expect to, but if I did get back, it would be as a candidate for president, not in any other position.

Absolutely no ambiguity in his statement.

Where else would one expect a man such as Al Gore to serve except as President.

My compliments James on your attention to detail.

Many moons ago, I said he would run independent or go for VP

If it's not VP and he's not the dem candidate, then

voila, independent,3rdparty, unity08 or whatever
(Unity08 is just a name/vehicle but they have in place the ability to get a major candidate on all states ballots)

I am sure you don’t like to build expectations...and that’s fine.

Let’s say Gore does not run.
What’s his next move?
And how does he push forth push not only the environmental policies but other topics he’s passionately spoken about in speeches over the last couple of years?

Or maybe after all the awards and recognition this year, he’ll become irrelevant.

Again, what do you think he will do?

I do not believe Gore will run as a VP-

He's already had 8 years experience in that job and knows its limitations.

He's a magnet for the propaganda and lies that most of the main stream media delivers. I do not see any of the front running candidates asking him to be their VP even if they really wanted him there.

Gore would also become the center of attention on any ticket he ran on. It would take an extraordinary individual to set up that scenario. The only one that comes to mind is Kucinich.



Gore may not announce support for any of the candidates- remember what happened last time. Dean was skewered by the press, just like Gore. The infamous "scream" was deliberately taken out of context, enhanced, and used to batter Dean. I do think the leadership of the Democratic party had Kerry in mind all along and he came out of nowhere to become the nominee. As I've posted before, election fraud begins in the primaries. I think in 2000, Gore was the inevitable candidate and the Dem leadership could not fight that.



Because, with the exception of McClatchly and a few other papers and media, the main stream media is all controlled by corporate powers, the same skewering will happen if Gore runs in 2008. He knows this. A good share of the country still gets its news from those sources and believes too much of what they hear from the corporate propaganda machine. By the way, the FCC wants to further shred media independence by trying to allow more cross media ownership with newspapers in the same market. If you haven't written the FCC about this and asked your congressperson to put a stop to it, now is the time.



As I've stated before, I don't think Gore sees this Congress as anything but a stone around the neck. It's the one that let the 2000 election go unchallenged. It's the one that let the election-fixing-enabling HAVA Act out the door. It's the one that still refuses to get rid of touch screens and mandate some hefty- conducted by the states and their counties- audits of elections. (You don't want the Federal government and whoever is in power at the time doing this) Since the Dems took over Congress they have wimpered and rolled over for the boy king, time and time again.



I think Gore is waiting for the people to say that we've had enough with media consolidation; enough with Democratic leadership that will not listen to its rank and file; enough with most of the current, embedded, Dems in Congress; and enough with elections that can be manipulated.



It begins with you and local voting. Do you know what your county and state have for laws and voting equipment? Corporate involvement in elections has corrupted the process right down to the county level. It begins one chink at a time and the first chink is to get citizen involvement in county elections. I urge you again to go to Votersunite.org and begin reading.


For me, as I've been clear about, Gore has to come to terms with NAFTA and the damage to people and climate it has wrought and the potential that has not even been tapped yet for abuse. It's a major vulnerability if he doesn't.

Circular logic that ignores reality. Give it up.

Seems like we are already in the pumpkin patch with linus waiting on the great pumpkin for next year

(and it's going to be a long, cold winter). :lol:

I agree, it is crystal clear that Al Gore is not interested in serving as Vice President again!!!! Why can't some people accept that?

I was praying for all I'm worth that he would run for president in 2008. I've wanted him to be president since 1988. And now, in 2008, TWENTY YEARS LATER, all the stars seem to be aligned perfectly for it. So it has been as difficult for me to accept that he is not choosing to run for prez as it has been for anyone*, I'll venture to say, yet I have accepted it and what is more, I respect it. Al Gore is choosing to serve his causes in other ways.

If I and others in the Gore community can accept and respect that he is not choosing to run for president at this time, why on earth is it so seemingly impossible for some to accept that he certainly has ZERO interest in serving as VP again?

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* edited to add: except perhaps for Al Gore himself, who I am absolutely SURE agonized over what decision to make.

My problem with the 2012 hypothesis is that it's so unrealistic. If a Dem. gets in, it would be difficult to unseat him or her as an incumbent and it would ruffle feathers within the party for him to run against him/her. If a Rep. gets in, again, running against an incumbent, even a BAD incumbent (look at Bush 43), is difficult at best (although Clinton/Gore did succeed in unseating Bush 41 in '92). But still, in 2012, Gore will most likely have lost much of his momentum. Even if he keeps himself in the public eye through his climate crisis work, people want him now. They have already waited eight long years (by 2008). They're not going to want to hear about him in 2012. In fact, the whole current flock of candidates will be washed-up has-beens by then. People will be ready for new faces. If Gore is thinking 2012 would be his time, then I think he'd better think again. Without question 2008 is his time, and I'm sure he knows it. Besides, the latest reports say that 2012 will be too late to keep us from going over that tipping point with global warming. The world needs Gore now as president. NOW!

2012? :o

Who the heck knows? :blink:

I don't know how it could realistically happen. But if there's a way the 2008 Democratic Convention goes beyond the first round of balloting, well ... anythings possible..

If Romney, Giuliani, or another R happens to win in 2008 (which I fear is all too possible), then they will be very vulnerable in 2012 and who would be better than Al Gore? (No one, that's a rhetorical question :wacko: ). Yes, we will bitch and moan about why he didn't run in 2008, like we did regarding 2004, but in the end I think he would have tremendous support if he were to say "I'm Running". :spikey:

From Al Gore's speech-and this really makes me annoyed :wtf: :spikey:
Sorry but it does
(and I can't cut/paste here, but I will type it out because it is so obvious- first from the speech- then my comments)

"""The great Norwegian playwright, Henrik Ibsen, wrote" One of these days, the
younger generation will come knocking at my door".
The future is knocking at our door right now. Make no mistake, the next generation will ask us one of two questions. Either they will ask "What were you thinking:why didn't you act?"Or they will ask instead "How did you find the moral courage to rise and successfully resolve a crisis so many said was impossible to solve?"
We have everything we need to get started, SAVE PERHAPS POLITICAL WILL, but
political will is a renewable resource. So let us renew it, and say together:"We have a purpose. We are many. For this purpose we will rise, and we will act".

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WELL, EXCUSE ME MR. AL GORE.
Assuming the above quote is accurate and YOU Mr. Al Gore said it,
THIS GENERATION today is asking and will future generations-

when YOU MR. Gore had the opportunity to do something, :wtf: are you thinking by not running?
I just don't get it

And I am sorry, being happy you won awards, and playing follow the leader with you doesn't cut it.

:wtf: are you thinking? Unless there is a untold story :wtf: is your reason for not running?

Is it really politics sucks and the air stinks?
Well, how is running from running bettering the system?

Even if you lose, at least you will have tried.

There are what, 4 different Gore boards, millions signed the petitions, millions more are ready to bypass the stink of the 2 parties leading candidates and you
are the only answer.
(And with Obama as your VP, then his turn can easily happen down the road.)

NOW is the time...I just don't get it, and neither do many people here and elsewhere.
2012 is too late-BY YOUR OWN WORDS.

Again, :wtf: are you saying and thinking?

Because the words you yourself use, this Ibsen quote, well, they mean YOU. Not anyone else has the power to do what YOU can.
And your other words as recent as yesterday say YOU are still in the game.
So those posters saying let Al go, he don't owe us, but Al, you are not retiring, YOU by your own words are right here.

So again :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: are you thinking and saying?

Every other person is not going to roll over and come begging.
Hillary,Obama,Edwards and all the others left/right/center are not quitting the race.

YOU need to get in the race.
Time is now past for you to enter enough primaries as a Dem.

And if one reads what YOU are writing- again :wtf: are you saying?
Waffling does not cut it.
Life is too important.
And you know what Al, the people are here for you, however, most of them outside of these boards, have no idea you anymore want them calling.
YOU and YOU alone have to take that one tiny step.
Afraid of ruffling feathers? Well, I would think being afraid the whole God-damn world ending would scare you more than ruffling Bill and Hillary's feathers a little.

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(as the stereotypical old white-haired mother would say, dust yourself off, and get back in the field where you belong...go...NOW...)

I wholeheartedly agree.

It is just so disappointing. And confusing.

When I suggested that Gore might consider being V.P., I was not deluded. I was mistaken.

When he says he has not ruled out running for president, the most reasonable conclusion is that he means 2012 or 2016, after he and others have succeeded in bringing about a shift in consciousness on global warming and related issues.

Good afternoon, good evening, and good night.

Ian

I agree that if a Dem wins next year it would be impossible for Gore to run and win in 2012. But not of a Republican wins. Any Republican would be as bad as Bush and after 12 years of a Republican in the White House, the country will want a change.

An old professor of mine use to say that when someone advocated the same position despite being presented with facts that completely refuted it; once was an error, twice was stubborness and three times or more was delusion.

the country wants a change now
They wanted change in 2000 and 2004

If a democrat doesn't win this time, they never will win

(unless of course an independent wins in 2008 and his name is Gore)