OK, OK, so most of us know that Gore is a Bright yellow dog Democrat!

That his entire history, legacy, loyalty, etc, etc lie with the Democratic party!

HOWEVER;

Could he, would he????

I mean the Zogby poll, you know the one with the most credibilty, shows his potential!

Then there is Bloombergs money IF he could be convinced to take the VP and for a Little Jew, (sorry short people), well Gore has proved he will take a Jew VP now hasn't he! (Don't give me a gruff about dissing Jews, I will spill my blood for them any day!) He is just too short for America, that is all I mean but I digress!

Anyway, the poll shows he wins across the board, men and women especially among liberals and the YOUNG!

Oh My God, not the stinking young thingy again??? Oh hell yes, they could turn out a lousy extra million voters without blinking and always could and VOILA a real revolution (Insert the Betales gutiar lick here!).

BUT they NEVER do, they NEVER, ever do????

However, perhaps this time and imagine the press coverage, the chance of real revolution, the chance to change America to a place where people come to spend their money---(Reports are that tourists no longer come to America from abroad).

Gore has to decide, that "its now or never." That he truly will not ever run again anyway so what really is there to lose with this potential re-write of American politics? This would take real courage and boldness and most of all MONEY!

I mean money left after it is all over and done with not to care IF you lost! So much money that you can live and your grandchildren in total comfort isolated from disdain and in luxury without interruption should you fail!

Talk about HUGE energy!

Great idea!

I back it 100percent!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: (and have for the last year or three)

Haaaaaa.....I'm glad to see Blueraider upbeat today! :Y:

Money. Money will pour in like the water leaking through Wolf Creek and Center Hill Dams. ;)

Upbeat will be when I score (I had better score!!!!) when I score Bon Jovi tickets this Saturday!!!!

If it is Clinton vs. Giuliani, a third party ticket could win. Gore would be a great pick. Bloomberg, however, supported the Iraq war, so I think you need someone whose ideas are closer to Gore's: how about Barbara Boxer? Gore-Boxer '08 on the "New Democratic Party" ticket. I'd vote for that.

I couldn't believe when I got online and saw this thread!!! Thank you oldblueraider for putting it so eloquently. You said what I've been thinking lately and this idea hasn't been too popular around here, but I really do think Gore could win as an Independent candidate. What better way to say that there has been enough partisanship than to run Independent of it? And to serve all the people!!

Hey, I'm a Democrat myself, but I would follow Gore whichever way he went and I am tired of the bickering in Washington. I am excited about this prospect just because I think it could work. And I was a little worried that if Gore got in as a Democrat that Hillary would somehow snatch the nomination, somehow rig it or something.

However, Gore could get in this way and wouldn't have to campaign so soon. And he could put his own money into the campaign. He's always been for campaign reform. This would send a message that the Lobbyists won't have the power. It's the people and it's a shame to waste all that money on campaigning.

I guess time will tell!!

its funny in way, ironic perhaps. But this is exactly how I think the Nader campaign started, unhappiness with the two party choices and sure their candidate was 'the one"

...and by splitting the liberal-progressive-democratic vote, we got 8 years of Bush.

I hope Gore runs...as a Democrat.

Actually, what is ironic is how everytime someone brings up a way for Gore to win, it gets shot down by comparing it to Nader
Who was not a professional, nor knew the way to do things

What is better comparssion is Perot- who was leading in the polls, before sabatoge ruined his campaign in 1992 (and I was not a perot fan)

He too was not a professional, and got taken down like an amateur

Gore is a professional. He would not quit then come back like Perot did, and still get 19 percent in 1992

People should stop bringing Nader into this equation
It's almost like people want Hillary to win and not upset the (BIG)apple cart

"when's the last time they put a third partier in..." (sung to the tune of Run, Al Run)

Nadar is not of the same caliber as Gore. Back on April Fool's Day when that phoney article came out about Gore running for the Green Party and there was talk about him running as Independent. I thought that was a crazy idea!!

But with everything that has happened, Gore is the ONLY person I think could run as a 3rd party and win!! There are been a lot of good points made about this but I won't rehash it.

If he doesn't run as a Democrat and the draft movement doesn't work out, I still say the 3rd party could work. JMHO.

There comes a time in the affairs of man when he must take the bull by the tail and face the situation

Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt

When was the last time that the Whigs were considered a major party
They used to be one of the two

Spit happens, things change

It's the man not the party that we care about

Comparing Al Gore to Ralph Nader seems to me to be insulting to Al Gore
Just like comparing Hitler to Bush is insulting to Hitler as Bush is soon to become worse.(When you at the end of the day add up the # of people dead, Bush is rapidly approaching #2 for all time worse and giving #1 a run for his crimes)...

Let's hope Al Runs somewhere, somehow to insure the Bush way stops being the US way.

The Whig party died out by the mid-1850s. So the analogy is false.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761574...ed_States).html
So all you've proven is either your ignorance or your intellectual dishonesty.

As far Teddy Roosevelt and the Bull Moose party, all they accomplished was to split the Republican vote making is possible for Woodrow Wilson to win the presidency.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558...States).html#S2
So again you've just proven your own ignorance or your dishonesty.

But the Zogby poll was of Democrats only. No independents or Republicans were polled. So your central premise is flawed.

No one has ever doubted that he could win the Democratic nomination. That's what this poll proves. It doesn't show that he would get widespread support if he ran as a 3rd party candidate.

It would be interesting to do a Poll asking the question, If Al Gore ran as an Independent, would you still vote for him, or vote for your party. Because I really wonder if people consider the Party more important or the type of person running.

To me, if Gore were to change parties, it would not change my opinion of him, unless his views changed drastically - to something I didn't believe in.

IMO, Gore is not so egomaniacal to start a Gore Party. I know it hurts some here to acknowledge that Al is a Democrat. He is not like Nader. He is not like Perot.

Gore knows what will work HERE AND NOW. And that is not a third party or Independent candidacy. It's not even worth discussing IMO.

A Gore-lead third party would guarantee a Republican president. He knows that.

AlGorefan, I did not even suggest Gore being egomaniacal. And it is YOUR opinion that you think Gore knows he couldn't win as a 3rd party. I haven't heard that from Gore's mouth. But I definitely do not want a Republican in office. Bush has destroyed our country so much already.

However, I will express my opinion here. I am well aware that Gore is a Democrat. But in the Rolling Stones article (thanks for posting that btw), he does express some disappointment with his party right now - if only in the fact that some are voting along special interest lines, with the Republicans.

Anyway, the article also sounded like there was little hope that Gore was going to run. He is, of course, not going to rule anything out, but I'm tired of reading the tea leaves - will he or won't he. I will still support him but I'm beginning to get discouraged.

I read the article from a different point of view. I fully believe Al will run for president again. He said he is open to it and sounded the battlecry for when he decides on it. Will he be on the ballot a year from today, I don't think so. Will he be in the future, I think so. Not discouraging at all. He is having such a tremendous impact worldwide, much more than Bush that I applaud him and urge that he keep following his intuitions.

What I meant was that it doesn't sound like he is going to run in 2008. Of course, he didn't rule it out, but that just adds for more speculation.

As far as 2012 or later, I believe there is still that possibility, but I guess the way I look at it is that right now is really important. I'm not saying he can't do more as a private citizen, but I'm looking at the whole picture in terms of the climiate crisis, plus all the things wrong in our political system right now. We need Al now before the climate crisis is at a tipping point.

If he doesn't run now and Hillary gets in, then there is a possibility of 8 years of Hillary, then a possibility of 8 years of her VP. Of course, I'd rather we have a democrat in office, but I'm just not thrilled with Hillary and have yet to get excited about anybody else. But if this scenario happened, then that would leave less room for Al getting in later, unless a Republican wins, and I don't want that to happen either. So I don't know where we go from here. I can only hope that he decides to jump in late, or he gets drafted, or if not, hope for a 3rd party run down the road.

Did anyone see today that Mike Bloomberg has initiated a plan (and he was in Seattle when he said it) that is the EXACT SAME THING that Al Gore says in the article in Rollling Stone about taxing corporations carbon emmissions...

More and more, the two are talking the exact same thing

Go to

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/...0,6054742.story

Hope this all comes out as I handtyped it in(as I can't cut and paste)

Both giants, both not in the race, together they can make history

Both speaking as one

(And people would love to stop both of them from running, some even here)...
odd isn't it?

IMO third parties take votes from the established parties and cause those from which they take votes, to lose. If you want a REP in 2008 vote for a progressive third party candidate.

Short term we need someone urgently working on the climate crisis worldwide, maybe Al needs to do that. He feels right now that is his calling. He will, IMO, lead this country from the White House and should whenever HE FEELS the time is right. I'll trust his judgement on whether we are at the tipping point.

nut case

In the past, I believe that to have been the case, and if it was anybody else that I was speculating about a 3rd party run, I'd say your point is true - that they'd take votes from one of the major parties and the other one would lose, which in this case would very well be the Democrat. However, I think the winds are changing and I believe in Al Gore so much, that I think he could win as a 3rd party candidate. That's just how much confidence I have in him. I did not believe that 8 months ago.

And yes, I will trust Al Gore to make whatever decision is right for him. The only thing I've had a difficult time with is him not giving a clear answer. But I'll get over it.

Okay, I'll say it.

Forget that Gore is a lifelong Democrat and currently works with the DEMs.

Forget that I would support him and all the other Gore fans would too.

Al Gore would not win the presidency as a third party candidate in 2008.

No chance, nada, none, zilch, zip, zero.

That's your opinion. Fine. I guess I have more faith in him than that. I believe he could conquer this narrow-minded view on a 3rd party. He said in the article that some Democrats are siding with Republicans because of special interest groups contributing to their campaigns and he is for campaign reform. But hey, I know you're never going to see any merit in what I'm saying, so really, I am just wasting your time.

If someone else brings it up, I'll feel free to discuss the idea, but we've talked about it til we're blue in the face, so I'll spare you.

So vote for Hillary
Betcha she has her own board, as that appears what you want

You know where your logic fails?

You say 3rd party takes away votes
Well, so do write-in votes
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth

Because no write-in candidate ever became president either
And if he wins a few primaries and doesn't win the nomination and run in the election, then he damages the democratic person just as bad

You are being hypocritical

The odds of 3rd party INCREASE with every write-in vote

And you are wrong.
Perot could have won in 1992, because America hated the Bush's and the Clinton's back then.
He won 19 percent AFTER he quit the race then later re-entered

Others in the past like Jerry Brown(who in 1992 almost beat Clinton in the primaries running a prototype of what Gore could do this year, with his 1-800 campaign...had he won another state or two, it could have been something
But they didn't because America was not ready

NOW the polls show people are fed up with negatives, fed up with both parties, and put the right two people on a ticket, they will win

Why does that scare you so?

See what I mean, a nut case.

Okay, your point is taken, AlGorefan. I guess there's no need to keep rehashing all this.

You have no faith in Al do you? If he thought he should run as an Independent, then he might think he could win, or at least keep the conversation going on important issues.

If he can't win 3rd party, and he doesn't run as a democrat, Where does that leave us?
Guess Hillary will be elected.
There is no other choice.

Some people here do not want Hillary as President when Al would be a better President

Some people here want the country to unite after the last 16 years of 50-50
hatred from both sides

Hillary won't do that.

Yes he said some democrats. He wasn't indicting the entire Democratic party nor all the Dems in Congress. He also spoke well of both Pelosi and Reid and of the importance of winning 60 seats in the Senate. Now does that really sound like a man that is considering leaving his party to run as an independent?

As I wrote in another thread:

Fact of the matter is, Gore running third party would not be in the Democratic party's interest, therefore not in his interest (If Democrats gain the White House in 08, that helps out his cause. If not, then anything he wants to do will never happen. They can say all they want about wanting to rectify the problem, but we all know that we can't trust them. Case in point: Bush 2000 vs. Bush 2001-Present). If he were to run, it would be a guarentee win for the Republicans, no doubt about it. It would split the Democratic vote in half, and clear the way for a Republican to cruise to victory. Besides, in the past, in response to people wondering if he would endorse Bloomberg in 2008, Gore had this to say, "No. He's an Independent, and i'm a Democrat." The only chance a third party has of winning is if the person is incredibly popular through all avenues in America, whether it be Democrat, Republican, Independent, white, black, hispanic, rich, poor, rural, suburban, South, North, East, West, etc, etc. As much as I like him, Gore just ain't that guy. With this said, if he could get the nomination for the Democratic party, I think he'd win in 2008, even bigger than he won in 2000. I know for a fact that there are NUMEROUS people out there that, if they had the chance, they wouldn't cast the same vote for Bush over Gore. Now, add in the fact that he was right on all of the issues, and it just makes sense.

AlGorefan, I'll say one thing. You don't lack in the sense of humor dept. :laugh:

I am up in Washington at a medical conference and haven't viewed the board since my last post.

Several of you misunderstood my last post. I am not comparing Gore to Nader. There are vast differences in them in intellect, platform and vision. No comparison as far as the quality of their "humanness".

What I WAS comparing was the splintering of the liberal-progressive vote in 2000 and the possible splintering of the same in 2008. The end result in 2000 was we got a neo-conservative because the numbers of liberal voters barely exceeds the number of conservative voters, with only ONE candidate. With two we are guaranteed another four years of a Republican president.

I have a deep and valid mistrust of any declared liberal who desires to split the liberal vote again. I suspect their motives and suspect it is a veiled attempt to win the election for Republicans again. I do not trust their logic because it is patently naive and does not reflect documented electoral history in the slightest.

To my mind, either work within the party according to their rules or get out. Go join the Greens, or whatever group nominates a candidate you like. But do not work to splinter the vote again. We saw what happened. I would much rather 4-8 years of a secondary Democratic candidate (I still want Gore) rather than seeing a hopeless third party splinter group...even headed by Gore.

Thats also why I do not agree with those that claim Florida and Michigan are getting jobbed this time around. The national party is the party, they make the decisions ad the states suffer the consequences. If these state officials disagree, then let them poll their local Democrats to see if they want to secede from the national party...otherwise they should follow their leadership.

I too would want Gore to win, under any party name. I think I am smart enough to know that his leading a third party slate is a Bush-Cheney-Rove dream come true.

MY hope is that Republican Values voters and evangelicals hate their nominee so much THEY split off and run a third party candidate, ensuring a Democratic win.

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Gotta agree - the only 3rd party we need to see appear is the one created when the Christian right splinters... now that's a 3rd party I'd be quite happy to see.

Now is definitely NOT the time for the Dems to split up, even with Gore at the helm! NO CHANCE!

Hillary is a Bush-Cheney-Rove-41 dream come true.
They have both sides of the equator again.

I cannot fathom in the end how if she is the choice, we gotta vote for her just because the letter D is next to her name

THAT'S IT!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

THAT'S NOT IT.
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