Zogby Poll: Al Gore Leads Top Tier Dems in 'Blind Bio' Poll

Survey finds most Democratic likely voters would consider a new candidate given the current field’s views on Iraq and global climate change

A Zogby International “blind bio” telephone poll shows that former Vice President Al Gore is favored over the current Democratic frontrunners by likely Democratic Party voters nationwide – particularly among liberal Democrats.

When Democratic likely voters were given brief biographical descriptions of the top three Democratic candidates – New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards – along with the biography of Gore, the former Vice President won 35% support, while Clinton won 24%, Obama won 22% and Edwards trailed with 10% support. Gore’s bio was the top choice of both men (39%) and women (31%), and also most favored by younger voters. Self-described liberal Democrats strongly favored Gore’s bio (43%) over Clinton (21%), Edwards (17%) and Obama (12%). The bio selections of moderate Democrats closely mirrors the choices of likely Democratic voters overall, with 36% giving the greatest preference to Gore’s bio.

In a blind bio poll, the names of the candidates are not used, but are replaced with a brief description of each candidate’s biographies. Those biographies are included in the chart below. The telephone survey commissioned by AlGore.org was conducted October 24-27, 2007, included 527 likely Democratic voters nationwide, and carries a margin of error of +/- 4.4 percentage points.

A separate Zogby Interactive survey also conducted last week shows Gore’s overwhelming favorability among Democrats – 92% gave Gore a positive rating, with 67% saying they held a very favorable view of the former Vice President. This nationwide poll of adults finds the vast majority of progressives (97%) and liberals (98%) view Gore favorably, with more than two in three moderates (67%) holding a positive opinion of Gore.

This latest telephone survey shows 35% of likely Democratic voters are “very satisfied” with the current field of declared Democratic Party candidates regarding their position on the Iraq war and plan to vote for one of the current candidates. But three in five (60%) would at least consider voting for someone new based on this issue, with 7% who are somewhat dissatisfied and would prefer a new candidate and 12% who said they are very dissatisfied and are strongly hoping for a new candidate. Nearly two in three (65%) said they would support a Presidential candidate who has always opposed the war in Iraq and 68% would support a candidate who initially supported the Iraq war but now opposes it. The vast majority (89%) want U.S. troops to be brought back from Iraq as soon as possible.

When asked about the current field of candidates and their position on global climate change, 29% said they are very satisfied and plan to vote for one of the current candidates, but 65% said they would be open to supporting a new candidate based on this issue. Nearly half (47%) said they are somewhat satisfied with the current field’s position on global climate change, but would consider supporting someone new, while 9% are somewhat dissatisfied and would prefer a new candidate – 8% are very dissatisfied with the current candidates’ stances on global climate change and are strongly hoping for a new candidate. Eighty-four percent believe global warming should be a top priority of the next administration.

Other findings from the survey include:

79% believe Presidential candidates should not accept campaign donations from lobbyists.
70% prefer a Presidential candidate with more experience to a candidate with less experience.
62% believe American need a government run health care system that pays all costs for all Americans.
Democrat blind biographies:

%

Candidate A (Gore) is an experienced candidate from the South who has been Vice President of the United States and a US Senator. This person has won several awards, including an Oscar, a Grammy, and an Emmy for his documentary about global climate change. This person has won the Nobel Peace prize and is recognized as an international authority on foreign policy, energy, the environment, and technology. This candidate has opposed the Iraq war from the beginning.

35%

Candidate B (Clinton) is a candidate with roots in the South and the Midwest, but is currently a US Senator from a Northeastern State. This candidate is well known for work on many domestic issues, including education, children’s issues, and health care. As a US Senator, this candidate voted to authorize the Iraq war. This candidate is critical of how the war has been handled by the current administration.

24%

Candidate C (Obama)is a first-term US Senator from the Midwest who has emphasized efforts to reach out to include in the political process many people who are disaffected and unused to involvement in politics. This candidate brings a fresh face to Washington and draws huge crowds to campaign rallies. This candidate has opposed the Iraq war from the beginning.

22%

Candidate D (Edwards)is a former US Senator from a southern state. This candidate also has run as a Vice Presidential candidate in the past. This candidate champions health care and education for the poor, and has experience running a national political campaign. As a US Senator, this candidate voted to authorize the Iraq war but has since said it was wrong to vote for authorization.

10%

Not sure

10%

AlGore.org hosts tens of thousands of activists working to draft Al Gore in 2008. The site is not affiliated with or authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee. 2817 West End Avenue, Suite 126-161, Nashville, TN 37203. For more information about the campaign to draft Gore, or to schedule an interview, please call Dylan Malone at (425) 344-8593 or email dylan@algore.org

For a detailed methodology statement on this survey, please visit:
http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.dbm?ID=1229


(10/31/2007)

Very good news here.

AlGore.org is 'ramping up.'

DraftGore is 'ramping up' also.

Those of you that are threatening to 'bail'
are going to miss all the FUN!

I do not want to miss the fun, but why would he make our jobs twenty times harder than if he just said, "I am in!!" And, could you explain to me the draft movement? In how many states is it viable? I am truly ignorant of the mechanics and may feel much better if I udnerstood. Thanks.

I know there is much "grieving" on this forum for Al Gore not running as a Democrat but there was an article next to the Zogby poll worth reading;

Republicans and Democrats Should Start “Third Parties”


In 2004, around 40 percent of those who voted for Kerry-Edwards admitted little to no interest in a Kerry presidency. Kerry was not offering voters choice on important policy issues nor did his candidacy stimulate the kind of broad, probing public discussion of policy that characterizes real democratic process. The core of the Kerry campaign message seemed to be: Me not Bush!, and the substance a rather confusing year of political wind surfing. (article from 2004)

In 2007, the votes seem to be in already on 2008. Two-thirds of the voting public are dissatisfied with the “two party system.” (See Zogby poll) The only reasonable interpretation is that only about one third are satisfied with being represented by either party. Elections have been close lately; so we can roughly estimate: each of the two “major parties” has the support of about 15 percent of American voters.

To me, the candidates come off like a pre-Star Wars sci-fi movie. They’re involved in a sensational political discussion but their tricks and special effects are not convincing. They’re relying on material that their 15 percent desperately wants to believe is this era’s contribution to the classics – but which is seen largely as pathetic obfuscation by the more sophisticated audiences that make up the majority. Return of the Jedi it isn’t. Night of the Living Dead – maybe.

By a very large margin, Americans want constitutional rule rather than rule by two non-representative political parties. Candidates know that, which is why they have been pledging support for the Constitution in speeches and on their websites. But candidates from the “major parties” have the baggage of having been in power while the constitutional system was being dismantled for the sake of greater party power and corruption; so their pledges are far from credible.

With such a great majority disinterested or strongly dissatisfied with the two parties, it would seem democracy would find a way. But the de facto two-party system has been in operation for a long time and it is a difficult habit to kick. Some percent of voters will still be convinced that voting for a “third party” is throwing their vote away – a logic that is only valid if there are two parties with over-whelming support.

As I discuss this problem, I find people who acknowledge it; but think it is too late to do anything about it. Just as I have heard in many elections before – not this time. Too much is at stake. We have to win. Win what? I must ask. Supporting candidates and a party that you do not believe in – how does that help you win?

The solution is simple. The Republican and Democratic parties should be renamed; “Third Party A” and “Third Party B” to reflect the minority of actual support they have. That will provide a much more natural way for the majority of voters to understand the math.

(10/31/2007)
- By Roger F. Gay , Men's News Daily, CA

as I have been saying...

I'm for a third party only if it is a progressive one -- not a centrist one.

The more likely Clinton is the Nominee, the likelier Gore will run on a Third Party Ticket.

Let's say it's all over in early February with her winning the Primaries. Then, what kind of creative strategy will she use against the Republicans for this long of time? If it's more of her pathetic performance in the last debate, she will not last even with Bill at her side. Hillary's support (outside her Corporate Contributors) is somewhat "soft ," to the right (" Blue Dogs ") and how can I say this in a kind way; not the main base of the Democratic Party. She knows this, that's why she's running to the right and will not be able to come back to the middle in the General election.
Rational thought here says she cannot be Elected.
The problem for her is, the electorate wants change, not Bush Lite. If Gore sees she is unelectable, he will enter and be a hero to the Democrats (along with Independents). With this long of time period before November, the odds of this situation coming about are very possible if not probable. Gore doesn't like and doesn't need to campaign except for a short period to win.

I really see no scenario that Gore would abandon the party he is currently working for and oppose it in the general election. He has said nothing to that affect, in fact he has said the opposite in his work with the Democratic Party this year.

Can you, andrewv1, please present something that would make opposing the Democratic Party plausible?

Now, you didn't directly ask me (even indirectly) :laugh: but...

Why do you equate working for state office candidates with running 3rd party for President? You treat it like its anti-American when it is American
You put party ahead of platform. You treat it as treason.

It boils down to-
Will Al support Hillary? If so, then he is selling himself out as she has constantly voted in ways Al does not support
Will Al not support Hillary? If so, then who will he support?

Why don't you realize if a major figure from a major party ran 3rd party, it is something that has not happened in decades, or much longer
A 3rd party person who can win? You have to go back 100s of years
And supporting Barbara Boxer and other progressives? What is wrong with that?

Look outside the box, it really is the only thing that makes sense if you want him to run at this point

Do you think Hillary will win? I think not only will she win, but unless there is a major new republican candidate, I think she will win 40 states landslide in Nov.08
So it boils down to- can Al Gore live with himself having Hillary as President for 8 long, long, long years where nothing changes from the past 8 years but the name on the door?
Or does Al take a bold step, where no major party man has gone before...

Or does he give a Sherman and campaign for the Clinton's??? And then when nothing changes, does he forever think, I could have done something...

and the democrats are the ones who elected Ned Lamont Governor of Ct, only to be screwed in the general election when no democrat in office really helped out...
they wink wink winked Joe Lieberman...why the loyalty to those people???

and on purpose so:

That is again, very rude.

Why are you afraid of the answer?

What if 1000 people gave you the same answer?

Why is your opinion worth more than anyone else here?

The Zogby poll, which this thread is on, fully states the obvious about the discontent of the people to all parties

Nancy Pelosi is at 11 percent because she hasn't done what she was elected to do

That is to impeach bush and restore order

They are all too rich and complacent

Why defend the undefendable?(and don't blame the republicans...Pelosi could do it with no worry, but she doesn't)

At end of day, if Gore don't run, he still is a many multi-millionaire with more homes than most people, and more money than 99 percent of the people living here
He is well set for the next 8 years
Too bad the majority of people are not


btw-if that is areal license plate- I would write a letter to the Virginia Motor vehicle and complain about it...it would be taken away in a matter of days.
Cursing is not allowed on plates

btw- like Hillary did at the debate-

you ignored answering any of the questions thoughts on the post above

You opine, but you don't read what others say, and you brush their thooughts off like just shaking you hand wishing they go away

What if you are wishing away the only way Al will run in 2008?
What then?

We all know you can make yourself look ignorant, no need to keep ramming the point home.



andrewv1, ignore that classless member and help me out with your perspective.

Thanks.

again you are very rude

You just call people names, insult them, but you never respond to it

Why would Andrew want to respond, when you will just call him the same names if he doesn't agree with your agenda?

You have been given 100s of reasons why Al could run 3rd party, you just don't want to listen

(betcha you will support
al if he runs 3rd party, though if he does)

For crying out loud, for the last time, Gore will never run as a 3rd party candidate. HE HAS SENT OUT FUNDRAISING LETTERS FOR THE DCCC AND DSCC EARLIER THIS YEAR! He's a Democrat and he has stated many times he will support Democrats and the Democratic nominee.

Whether you or I will support him if he runs as a 3rd party is moot...because it will never happen.

I think ReElect has some valid points. Sure, what are the odd that Gore would run as a third party, but the more I think about it, the more something doesn't seem right here.

Here we have Al Gore who will not give a Sherman statement. He has no intentions, yet he is not ruling anything out. Why is that? I don't know the answer for sure. I can only add my two cents, so take it for what it's worth.

If Hillary wins the nomination and the White House, we're screwed. She voted for the war, has no substance, does not exhibit leadership skills, imo. I have a hard time believing Al would be okay with that.

If Hillary wins the nomination, but not the White House, we're screwed with Rudy or whichever Repug that wins. I don't think Al would go for that either.

If Obama wins the nomination, I don't think Al would get in the race but rather endorse Obama and help him win against the Repub.

If Gore is successfully drafted as a Democrat or decides to get in at the last minute, this is all a moot point.

However, if he doesn't, I don't think a 3rd party run is that far out. Despite the fact that he's been a lifelong Democrat, he could turn around and say (if Hillary is nominated) that he doesn't agree with her platform and what she is representing to the Democratic party. I could see him getting in as a 3rd party run. How likely is that? Maybe not that likely, but I believe it coud happen. I'm not here to push the 3rd party run. I'm here to look at it from all angles.

Third parties used to didn't stand a chance, but I think Al could have a very good chance as 3rd party. He wouldn't have to campaign that long. He could get on all the state ballots. And if Bloomberg can change parties, Al can do it too. I keep thinking about the conversation that Bloomberg and Al had at the Sun Festival (is that what it was called) when Bloomberg made the comment that he thought Al would make a good President.

Also, if he waited that long to get in, he would stand less chance of being accused of using his environmental crusade for political gain.

JMHO for what it's worth and speculation. Nothing wrong with that.

No, just you. Now go away and support Obama like you said you were months ago. You have no answers, just smack. I don't want to read your smacks at Al anymore. Most of all:



That's the nicest way I can say it.

PLEASE SHUT THE FLOW UP!

Al has been working for the Democratic Party this year waaaaaaaaay after HR Clinton announced. You would think he wouldn't if he disagreed that much, to turncoat and oppose his party in the election. :read:

I know you didn't just compare Bloomberg and Gore on the same level, right? :unsure:

When I said that about Obama, it seemed at the time like Al was 100percent not running, that he or one of his old staff indicated he had given a "Sherman"
The next day, earthmother I think put up a post indicating the press got it wrong
and he did not give a Sherman.
If Al does not run, and Obama is the real deal, I will support him, and so will Al if he doesn't run
What part of that don't you understand
And at the time I was very angry he was not going to run.(Same as I was in 2002).

This is like a roller coaster ride, we get mixed signals almost every day, and to me this is not a football game.

You are very rude.

And you will be supporting Al I think, if he does run 3rd party- so if the choice is
him running 3rd party or Hillary running democrat and not him, I would prefer him

What part don't you get?
Stop being scared of a different run for president...it may be our only chance

Is there something wrong with expressing my opinion, AlGoreFan? What is wrong with Bloomberg? I didn't COMPARE him to Al Gore. I mentioned the conversation they had. He is a big environmentalist too. Granted, I don't know EVERY detail about him, but I wouldn't have a problem with a Gore/Bloomberg ticket if the Democratic run doesn't work out.

Why would Bloomberg turn Independent when he has been a Republican in the past? And a Democrat before that?

This isn't completely a Rep/Dem issue. I am a Democrat, but frankly, I'm tired of all the partisanship. I will take Al anyway he decides to run.

You act like there is no room for gray areas...

The guy has the money to finance an entire campaign

There would be no need to be a moneywhore like the other candidates
One could stay completely on message the entire time, and one could buy as many ads as they would like

one can constantly create new internet ads, high quality, and not even need the shrinking mainstream media that no one pays attention too

What if someone like Bloomberg created a major ad looking like Al's movie every single week from June08 til Nov08 and bombarded the airwaves with them?

They would suck the oxygen out of the boring same old same old

When a Joe Lieberman gets total control of one of the democratic comittees, when he is the deciding vote on lots of bills(or some like him), he is not a democrat
He is a republican
Someone like Mike Bloomberg is more a democrat(100 times more) than Joe ever was.
Lines are distorted in 2007, thanks to Bush. Loyalties are divided.

Look out of the box.
It may be our only way to save the country

And if he gives a Sherman next week, then all this is for naught anyhow, so you can stop bitchin' about me and we all lose

3rd party seems a lot more realistic than thinking there will be a brokered convention (and btw, by not giving the Sherman, or needing to announce 3rd party til June or July08, one can see how it goes all the way through...but then by doing that and not getting in, Al will stop an anti-Hillary (like Obama) from getting any traction at all in a crap shoot...

Just because he has raised money for candidates means he wants to have a democratic congress/senate/house
who wouldn't?
It does not mean he wants Hillary to be president, as his lack of endorsement so far has shown.

btw-
other reason to wait and run 3rd party?

He wouldn't have to divest his interest in Current for another 8-9 months, now would he?
Advantage:Gore

Fact of the matter is, Gore running third party would not be in the Democratic party's interest, therefore not in his interest (If Democrats gain the White House in 08, that helps out his cause. If not, then anything he wants to do will never happen. They can say all they want about wanting to rectify the problem, but we all know that we can't trust them. Case in point: Bush 2000 vs. Bush 2001-Present). If he were to run, it would be a guarentee win for the Republicans, no doubt about it. It would split the Democratic vote in half, and clear the way for a Republican to cruise to victory. Besides, in the past, in response to people wondering if he would endorse Bloomberg in 2008, Gore had this to say, "No. He's an Independent, and i'm a Democrat." The only chance a third party has of winning is if the person is incredibly popular through all avenues in America, whether it be Democrat, Republican, Independent, white, black, hispanic, rich, poor, rural, suburban, South, North, East, West, etc, etc. As much as I like him, Gore just ain't that guy. With this said, if he could get the nomination for the Democratic party, I think he'd win in 2008, even bigger than he won in 2000. I know for a fact that there are NUMEROUS people out there that, if they had the chance, they wouldn't cast the same vote for Bush over Gore. Now, add in the fact that he was right on all of the issues, and it just makes sense.

I just pray to God that Gore runs in the end...

2008 will be my first presidential election, and if Gore doesn't run...

If Gore doesn't run, I have nothing to vote for. It's that simple.
I have no other business registering to vote. There's no reason.
I don't see any alternatives to Gore. There's nobody comparable.
It's Gore for all, or None at All.

I really feel strongly about this. I have waited 21 years for a Presidential Election, but if there is no Gore, then there is no significance, I might as well just continue to wait.

And I'm sure that many people feel as I do, all of us who are waiting to cast our first vote, wanting to make a difference in this world... Wanting to make a change... Wanting a QUALIFIED HERO to take the reigns of what was once the most respected country on earth...

If anybody has a chance to show this to our President To Be, Please do, and let him know how much it means to me, and all of my age group. It means much more than can be said here.

If Al Gore doesn't run, I'll Cry. And that is a lot for me. The last time I cried was when my sister died.

If Al Gore runs, but does not win, I'll immigrate to another country. And so will a lot of other people, I'm sure.

But When Al Gore Wins, the Whole World will be Happy. Nature will be Happy, Mother Earth will be Happy.

Because that will signify the beginning of a new era, an era of Responsibility and Duty, where Profit and Greed move aside to make room for UPLIFTMENT and GOOD WILL.

It will mark the beginning of our RETURN to HUMANITY.

Go Gore!

Plezzze! Can we stay Optimstic!! Yes!! Enthusisum breeds enthusium!!:)

No, certainly not. No need o be defensive. Just ignore that other guy because I was speaking to you.

I posed a couple questions.

Yes, I think you can't compare Bloomberg to Gore in any way, shape or form. At the very base, one is tremendously accomplished and one is a relative newbie.

I am not acting "like there is no room for gray areas".... I am asking questions to illuminate why and where do people get the idea that Gore would run against a party he currently works with. Is there something besides empty speculation?

I will try not to be defensive, if you will try not to insult. Okay?

Empty speculation? Is that how you see my speculations? I am speculating just like everyone else here.

When people said Al lost in 2000, GET OVER IT. How did that make you feel?

When people said Al isn't running in 2008, MOVE ON. How does that make you feel?

When the smear machine is in overdrive, and we know what they're spewing is false, how does that make you feel.

I wonder if they think we're full of "empty speculations."

So okay, you don't think there's any room for speculation as a 3rd party run. That's YOUR opinion. I used to think that a 3rd party was out of the question. I was afraid it would make him lose for sure. But there are so many people that are for Al Gore, that I think he could win rather he ran as a Democcrat or 3rd party.

As I've said before, it's probably unlikely, but I will consider the option, in case he doesn't announce AND if the draft doesn't work out. I'm not giving up until the end.

But I'm going to drop this for now because nobody wants to hear it. I just want to concentrate on him running.

Don't shut up just because one or two RUDE people make unfounded accusations

Keep talking, matter of fact, keep giving YOUR opinion even louder, because they want to shut you up and go away

Don't go away, don't shut up, and by my count at least 25 to 50 percent of this board has vocally agreed, and I bet another 25 percent silently agrees (but doesn't want to be rudely insulted), and I bet everyone here will support Al should it happen.

So now more than ever, keep the pressure up

If nothing else, maybe we can "shame" Al into jumping in the race as a Democrat, just to shut me up.

Unless AlGorefan and James (and Patriot/Jan) have inside information (or are Al Gore himself) no one knows what he will do (and he has stressed he will not listen to most advisors or talk through them), so we are all guessing and no one knows
what is in his mind

So please, keep speaking out, you never know who is reading who might agree with your thoughts and lead to what we all want (Al himself)

I wasn't aware I insulted you, sorry if I did.

I was asking questions. Empty in the sense there is no basis.

Basis: Al won the popular vote and the Supreme Court voted GDub prez.

Basis: Al never said he would not run, publicly.

Basis: Their is proof to show they are wrong.

Basis: There is proof to show they are wrong, not empty speculation.

Excuse me, I asked for it. Politely asked for it. Don't assume that's my opinion based on facts.

That's why I asked if it was based on anything but speculation, empty speculation (tha's not an insult to you).

response

"Sure, we all use some basis for our reasoning"

That's just it. I asked for your reasoning and you said there isn't any except the mysterious "things" you have "read and seen." Thanks for making it clear. If you want to answer my question with those "things" please do.

My reasoning that he won't run against the Democratic party are the facts that he is currently working with them and actively fundraising for them plus he has said he is not an independent and that he is a Democrat. Sorry if you don't happen to agree with mine.

I did mention one "mysterious" thing which I am basing my reasoning on. I said I kept thinking back on that conversation between Bloomberg and Gore - about them both joking about running for President and Bloomberg stating that he thought Gore would make a good President. What was that all about? That is where my speculation comes from.

Plus, Gore has made comments about the political system being broken and toxic - that there are cracks in the foundation of our Democracy that need fixing. We can all speculate differently about what that means. He has said he is running a "different kind of campaign." He doesn't know why a 600 day campaign is a given and he doesn't "have to play that game."

Interpret that how you will. But it leaves room for a 3rd party speculation, imo.

And did you read the comment from TNBlue that he posted a little bit ago? He was watching CNN and heard something about "a meeting in TN to try to convince Gore to run as Independent."

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :tongue:

That's real nice. Have a happy weekend.

Okay. I take it back. You have a good weekend too. :)

But did Gore ever say that the Democratic party is broken and needs fixing? No he did not. As AGF pointed out he has stated he is a Democrat not an independent, so it doesn't leave room for a 3rd party run.

Now I'm sure most of us here would support Gore in whatever he chose to do. But let's stop wasting time arguing about unrealistic scenarios and put our efforts behind constructive ideas.

I'm sorry but you are just projecting your own dislike or disatisfaction with Hillary on to Gore. Has he ever made a comment that she would be a bad choice as the nominee or that he considers her unelectable? No he hasn't.

I think that she is unelectable unless the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Rudy and they just might be. But if they nominate McCain or Romney or even Thompson, I can't see Hillary winning. But that is my opinion. I don't know what Gore's opinion is because he hasn't stated it.

James- Hillary has the elction won unless a DEMOCRAT stops her.

You project your own dislike on her every time you say she is a loser.
She will win. Big time.
Any democrat will win Big time the way things are today.

The question is- I don't consider HIllary a Democrat. She is an interloper in NYState and an interloper in the democratic party. She is and was a Barry Goldwater fanatic, and people don't become less conservative after college, on contrary, they become more conservative (except for me, I am as equally NOT conservative today as I was at age 10.)

Therefore, you only are giving YOUR opinion, and YOU are interpreting what YOU want Al Gore to think.

We need to plan for the eventual likelihood that Hillary will be corronated nominee
and that leads to the need for other options/opinions you are trying to stiffle.
Your opinion is just fine to opine, but others think different.

(And again, if you listen to Al's words and parse them exactly, then you need to be consistent and he will not run at all).After which you and anyone else can vote for Hillary, be my guest, it's your right(still) as an American.
But you can't only parse those words to your viewpoint

His words can be parsed to say he will support Democrats for Senate/House/Gov, but nowhere has he endorsed Hillary. And in 2000, he went out of his way to disassociate himself with either Clinton.

BTW-Happy birthday, for a few days I backed off...will you be as nice to me on my birthday? :clap: (by then we shall all know what is going to happen )

But the election is not today. It is one year away. Neither you nor I can say what the political conditions in the country will be a year from today. In July 1988 Dukakis lead Bush I by 17 points in all opinion polls. By Labor Day the polls had swung to favor Bush.

Total BS. You can't make a sweeping statement that applies to the entire human race and then exempt yourself. Many people become more conservative after college and many become more liberal. Many stay the same. Gore was once a very moderate Democrat. He was one of the founders of the DLC. He was considered the biggest hawk in the Clinton administration. But he has become far more liberal in the past 10 years.

No I'm saying the exact opposite and you know it. As I clearly stated above:

Why are you so desperate to win an arguement that you constantly resort to lying and other intellectual dishonest methods?

What we need to do is get behind the draft movement now and stop wasting time arguing about unrealistic scenarios that won't happen. Of course if you really are a GOP shill as suspected, your goal would be to try and divert us from the draft effort.

I've never said that Gore will run or secretly plans to run. Again you resort to a dishonest practice by putting words in my mouth. I support the draft movement because he has never made the Sherman statement.

I never said he did. Again you lie. In fact I've said that he hasn't shown a preference among the current candidates.

So I guess his support for Hillary in the primary and election for the Senate seat doesn't count? Sure he didn't use Bill in the election but many VPs who run for President don't use the sitting President because they want to be seen as their own man. Many think Nixon could have won in 1960 if he had used Ike more in his campaign. But since then Gore has not disassociated himself. In fact he has participate in the Clinton Global Initiative for the past two years.

Total BS. Why do you constantly resort to lying? Several days ago I said that we both needed to move on. Until this morning other than to post an article and respond to birthday greetings, I haven't posted much. You on the other hand have continued to infect as many threads as possible with your delusional proposals and dishonest arguements. You haven't backed off at all and you are a liar when you say that you have.

You are the one looking to end support for Gore if he says he will not run for the democratic nod(He could give a Sherman for the democrats AND back Obama AND if Obama loses, still run 3rd party...

Sherman does not mean he will support Hillary.

It was a no-brainer that Hillary would win in her senate seat as she had NO competition after JFK Jr. was ASSASSINATED on a clear sky day that the spin machine let believe was bad sky. But it wasn't.

BTW-as I have been on this board for years, since before Gore was taken seriously as any sort of candidate, your complete bullspit trying to smear a messenger (me) is so false.
I have been saying the same thing for years, not just now when all of a sudden Gore is hot again.
He has been colder than a January day in New York politically til recently.
Yet I have been there since day one.
You are lying.

And I didn't mention YOUR name since before your birthday. Stop distorting MY views.

If Hillary wins the Dem nomination, she will win the election unless Gore runs against her. And many people here are hoping against hope he does just that.
After all, victory against HIllary makes Gore 10x the better president than victory with Hillary when deals would need to be made.

Vote the person not the party.

Many also think LBJ would have easily won re-election in 1968 against Nixon either before or after Bobby, the general would have been easier than the democrat primary due to the war. But he would have been stronger than Humphrey was.

No I've said that I will support Gore in whatever way he choses to serve. That is not the point. The point is whether he will run as VP again or as a 3rd party candidate. While I would support him if he did so, they are still both unrealistic goals that we should stop wasting time discussing because they will never happen.

And it doesn't mean he will support Obama either. You're projecting your own support for Obama on to Gore. (And didn't you once disavow Gore in favor of Obama only to change your tune and support Gore again?)

Please, no wonder you are suspected of being a GOP troll, you make up stuff as readily as Rush or O'Reilly. JFK, Jr. never stated any intention of running for that seat. And no one ever said it was a bad sky but that it was after dark which was the truth. Why do you constantly resort to lying?

And I've been here longer as anyone can see by just looking at our profiles. And I don't need to smear you. You smear yourself with you're lies and dishonest tactics.

Then I've been there since day minus 100 or longer. Stop making this a pissing contest about who is a better Gore supporter because with your record of calling him a coward and defining your support for him by narrow parameters that you dictate, you will lose.

I'm not and you know it.

As usual when you can't win the argument you change what it is about. I said that we should both move on. I backed off for a few days while you continued to infect every thread you could.

And you are the last person to accuse anyone of distorting other people's views. That is your SOP. Anyone that even remotely disagrees with you is automatically cast as not being a true Gore supporter or supporting Hillary.

Case in point...

And as usual you project your own irrational hatred of Hillary on to Gore when he has never made any statement against her.

Again you try to change the argument. No one has ever said that they wouldn't support Gore in whatever he decides to do (except you that is). What everyone has said that Gore running as VP again or as a 3rd candidate is a moot point. Something that will never happen. One person even equated it to Elvis sightings.

I've urged you many times to move on and let's all work for something more constructive. You however refuse to. You keep coming back to this over and over and over and over again. You seem more concerned with winning the arguement than doing anything that is constructive to help the draft movement.

Complete non-sequiter. What does this have to do with anything?