He's listed as being on the Leno line-up that night: http://www.interbridge.com/lineupsdate.html#11/8/07

Is that the night the 30 Rock episode is airing?

It is suppose to be, however, keep in mind the Writers strike is a strong likelihood, and if that happens, all of tv will shut down that uses writers, and based on prior strikes, Leno and Letterman will have reruns, as both won't cross the picket line in solidarity(being that they rely heavily on writers for their comedy and also these days most of the talk is scripted, as are the bits (it is assumed).
And it is getting real nasty out there between the unions and management
Hopefully they will settle(and the unions/writers win).

Could this be it? We've been targeting this date for months. Could it be more than coincidence that he would appear on a show, and forum, that seems to be the vogue place to announce for president on the very day we've been targeting? If he does not announce or at least change his "no intentions" bromide, I am afraid I will be forced to wave the White Flag and lose all hope. If I want to see what torture is like, I'd rather watch SAW than keep twisting in the wind. He knows we are out here, fingers crossed, hanging on every word, and he must give us the closure, whether good or bad, that we deserve. Oh, how I hope Thursday is the day and that the strike issue is not a problem.

EarthMother, any intuition???

If he does it Nov. 8th, he will have missed the Nov. 1 registration deadlines for the S. Carolina and Georgia primaries, the Nov. 2 registration deadline for New Hampshire, and the Nov. 4 deadline for Illinois.

He has already missed the Oct. 23 registration deadline for the Michigan primary assuming it will have one.

Maybe he'll announce the Democratic candidate who he is endorsing on Nov. 8th.

You're a "half-empty glass" kind of guy, aren't you?

hmmmmmmmmmmmm...



:?:

LOL, AGF. That's what I was talking about. I prefer to be in category a, even though it's hard to always maintain a positive outlook.

Still there are lots of petition drives and write-in campaigns going on. I will sink into category b when I hear "no, nada, never, ain't gonna happen" from our guy. Somehow, I don't think he'll turn down a draft, but if he does, then it'll truly be over at that point.

**Actually, I said that wrong up there because category a could be looked as half-empty. Confusing. Anyway, I prefer to be the half-full kind of gal until I get a final answer. ;)

It appears that Gore is also slated to be on the Today Show Monday morning. It's all part of NBC's green week programming. We shouldn't expect anything in the way of an announcement to come out of that.

Realistically, I think we have to face the fact that it doesn't look promising for our guy to get in on his own in the next few days or weeks. However, we are still going to be putting pressure on him, and we're still working to get him on the ballot in many states, and none of that will change. Just this morning we've sent a letter to him (via his chief of staff so we know it will get to him), signed by the America for Gore Steering Committee, asking that he help us out by filing affidavits in key states, and also that he please not take his name off any ballots we succeed in getting him placed on. Yeah, it's silly in the sense that we know if he doesn't want to be a candidate, he won't sign any affidavits, and he most likely will have his name removed from the ballots we get him on. But desperate times call for desperate measures. Several recent national polls have put Gore ahead of Hillary, and people still look to him because they're not pleased with the current candidates and because they know the future of civilization is at stake. So we'll keep plugging away. We're not done yet.

I want him to go on Leno and put the nation into absolute shock by throwing in the hat! But that's just me.... :clap:

I wished he did it on David Letterman or Larry King, but Jay Leno will be just fine, as long as commander in chief makes the announcement.

I've revised my personal deadline for maintaining my support and hope until 11/08/07 from 11/01/07. If he goes on Lenno and either fails to address the issue of running for Prez or continues to put out the "no intentions" response, I'll reluctantly but necessarily have to walk away. I think he owes us a definitive answer -- I believe we've been owed that for some time. If Green Week is so darn important, then why would he want us "wasting" time pursuing his candidacy when he knows he is not running instead of mobilizing on the Green issues? It's that contradiction I cannot explain away, though I have tried. Well, if he declares, then I will sigh relief and recognize that his months of equivocation were just part of his announcement strategy. If he does not run, then, I'll admit, I will feel like he let us down by allowing us to twist in the wind. There would be no way around feeling like our time, energy, money and emotions were treated with utter disregard.

I agree earthmother, we should keep pushing on with the draft effort. Yes filing deadlines in some states have passed or soon will and hope seems all but lost for some now. I can truly understand that sentiment, believe me! But most of America sadly isn't really aware the campaign for president in 08 is even going on right now. America when they awaken to see their "chosen" candidates will reject them and call on Al Gore. I still have faith that there is a divine power at work and His/Her will, will be done! I believe in fate and that things happen as they are meant to as the expression goes. I'm working on a book which I had hoped to finish by now detailing my experience regarding God and Al Gore over the past 7 years and although this may sound crazy because perhaps the explanation here is so brief, God or a divine spirit of some type "told" me during the 37 day so called "recount" of the 2000 election that George W. Bush would not win the election but would become president this time but I was ASSURED at that time that Al Gore will be the NEXT PRESIDENT. I was also specifically told though that he was not going to run on his on or by his own will, he would be drafted or called upon by the people to run in mass numbers, millions, not hundreds of thousands. Now I may be wrong and may have misinterpreted a message somehow but I really don't think so. Throughout this 7 year period and especially during that 37 days, I was given what I consider divine insight into world affairs and predictions about events to come. I wrote them all down, dated and sometimes with the time noted and watched in amazement as they all came to pass! The stolen election of 2000, the horror of 9-11, the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina, the fall of Howard Dean and John Kerry ("Al Gore will be the NEXT president") the democrats congressional victory in 2006, to name a significant few. The ONLY prediction I was given that has yet to come to pass is Al Gore becoming president. I am holding on to faith that this too is God's will and it WILL BE DONE!!! Bizarre I know, that's why an entire book is in order. It's blowing my own mind!

I also feel the same as Earthmother in that now it's time to actually try drafting Gore into the race. This may be our last chance. He still hasn't told us to stop, and as long as that is the case, I'm keeping the faith. I'll even write his name in during my state's primary voting in March.

Just remember folks, IT'S NOT OVER!!!!

I have to agree with Jonathan here. My hunch is that he gives his Sherman statement on Monday or Thursday. Sorry to be a downer. But I say continue the draft efforts!

What is confusing about Al is that if he is not running why has he not told the Draft Gore group to stop. He must know that people are sending in money for ad's in the newspaper and on TV to get him to run?

I would think that Al would at least thank Draft Gore for all they have done and that he appreciates there support but stop all efforts on my behalf.

With the thousands of people that signed the petition and the phone calls to his office why has Al ignored his staunch supporters.

Does anyone have an answer of why Al will not address his supporters?
We are left hanging in the wind. Im sure there is an answer somewhere?

gore for president :?:

I will watch on Thursday night as well. I think that if he does not announce or at minimum give some indication of "I am thinking about it" I too will bail.

A shame, it will be a dark day when I peel off my two "Gore 2008" and "Draft Gore" bumper stickers...a dark day indeed.

Not sure where to go if he doesn't, no one appeals to me and I don't believe in not voting.

My guess is that he hasn't answered our call yet because when he does so, it will have to be either YES or NO. He's not ready to say either.

A little more time and many more signatures are needed now.
His response can wait.

NOT TOO LONG THOUGH AL!!!
You're torturing us over here and we all know you don't believe in torture! ;)

I can't see any announcement being made on Jay Leno. Someone mentioned David Letterman. Does anyone know if AL is scheduled to appear on his show anytime soon???

EarthMother, I adore you and agree with practically everything you say, but Gore should not expect us to do his dirty work unless he is willing to publically assent to it. His failure to assent is tantamount to saying, "You can work as hard as you'd like, and I offer you no gurantees that I will make any of it worthwhile." No he had an obligation yesterday to get into this race. He has a moral responsibility of the highest magnitude now. Whether it's fair or not, Hillary's debate "hiccup" is going to destroy her. Her support will erode faster than it takes to walk the dog. Her support, while widespread, has always, in my opinion, been paper thin. And, the hysteria about whether she is electable simmering below the surface is going to explode. She's done. Not in the general election, the battle for the nomination. I've been wrong many times, including Sunday when I thought the Bears would beat the Lions by at least two touchdowns and they lost by 9. But, from the coverage I have observed on the television and in the newspapers, it is clear to me that the story of her demise is toothpaste out of the tube and that it is irreversible. If my predictiion is right, he MUST get in. Edwards cannot win in a general election. Obama, while he is my home state senator and I adore him, cannot win because he is too green and the Republicans will use the same garbage tricks comparing his name to Osama's. He is truly our only hope. His failure to get in would be the equivalent of Nader's failure to get out in 2000.

I see this argument from two sides. One is that I feel pissed and exploited, not because Al hasn't entered the race, but because he has refused to tell us clearly where he stands. I'm sorry, but everyone knows that "I have no intentions of being a candidate" is double-speak. It's what people say when they're holding the door open. And . . . that statement is followed by, "but I haven't ruled it out." So, he remains on the fence, meaning that we continue to work to get him to run (because he's indicated that he might yet get in), and yet he doesn't get in. Okay. That leads me to the other side of the argument. If I were Al Gore, I wouldn't want to run either. I mean, let's look at this from his point of view. He won in 2000, and then he was hung out to dry in the hot Florida sun--by the media, by the party, by his own friends. He did the honorable thing by not challenging the results of the so-called election, and he was criticized for that. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He's still not given a fair shake by the media or by many within the party. So why would he want to run?

Having said all that, I do believe that if he really wants to save the world from the impending doom he predicts--from climate change, from renegade dictators, from terrorists, from our own government, which keeps chipping away at our rights--he has to run for president.

I wouldn't want to be in Gore's shoes. I think he truly is enjoying the life he has now. I think he honestly believes that his #1 obligation is to save the planet from the climate crisis, and I believe that he feels the best way he can do that is as a private citizen.

I believe all that, and yet I believe he's wrong in his conclusion not to run. That's all I can say.

I know, you don't want to hear it

3rd party independent run

He doesn't have to give one more word til Summer 2008
And make all 50 ballots

Which is stronger?
Your love for Al Gore, or some misbegotten loyalty to the party that screwed him?

He can win all 50 states without entering one democratic primary

He can beat Hillary Rodham ClintonBush making victory even more satisfying, while Hillary and Rudy tear each other to shreds

If you believe in Al Gore and read what he says, it can be a 90-120 day race, not 300, not 600. He would have the money, the ballot access, and be above the two party political system that is broke.

He could earnestly campaign for VOTERS/AMERICANS who are sick of the system.
Not left/right/dem/republicans

But I know, you don't want to hear it.

When the choice comes to either voting for someone else, or voting for Al Gore
maybe some of you naysayers will re-think the position
(this is not meant for any of those who already agree with me).

Keep the faith in Al, not the party.
Because if you keep the faith in the party, Hillary already won.

I think Gore could win as a third party candidate, but he could also win on the Democratic party tickets. So if the latter is unlikely, the former is too. I'll give Al to the 8th, but after that, I'm done. I have to stop obsessing on Al Gore and hope Obama or Edwards can pull it out a progressive victory.

I think if Al Gore does NOT run, then he owes it to Barack Obama to give him an endorsement, so Obama fans do not hold back hoping, which in essence is a vote for Hillary then.
(And Edwards should drop out and support Obama in that situation, but he won't
just like he wouldn't drop out and support Gore).

Bless you, Earthmother!! :clap:

Thanks Mike -
My thoughts also.
Seems like THIS might be the time to
push harder, not 'bail.'

My reaction exactly: could this be it? Please, God, please, please, please, please, please, please...

...Please, Mr. Postman, look and see
If there's a Gore, a prez to be
We've been waiting such a long time, to have a prez, a prez so sublime!

Well, as you all can clearly see/deduce, I have begun the process of LOSING IT, mind-wise. I'm afraid if Gore does not declare soon, your bud hangingchad here will end up rocking back and forth in a rubber room for the rest of her life, chanting "I demand a recount...I demand a recount!". I may alternate that chant with "4 8 15 16 23 42", but that has not been determined yet.

In order to prevent the above paragraph from coming to fruition: Run, Al, Run!

While the only one we have to go on is Ross Perot, looking back, he originally did not want to run

Then he hemmed and hawwed before finally saying, look, if the people, the people of the nation get me on all the ballots, I will run as their spokesmen

And the rest is history and he could have won, had he not left the race, as he was leading at the time

But when he came back, he still ended up with 19 percent...
19 percent...
Who knows what would have happened had he not quit the race under dirty tricks by the 2 relatives running against him,father and son

People hated both Bush41 and the Clinton man.

And had Ross stayed in, who knows...(I did not vote for Ross either time and was not a fan of his)...

It showed it can be done...Al Gore would not get out by dirty tricks

The next move is up to the people

If the people talk, and he doesn't do it, then he is not the person I (we) thought he was, now is he? next move is actually up to Al Gore, as the people already want him and the ballot is his for the asking

Exactly...PUSH!! Don't bail now!

We all know how hard it has been over the past seven years to fight for something that we believe in. And look at the progress that we've made: The Repukes no longer control Congress (officially, anyhow); the Dems have never looked better on paper in terms of their chances in '08; the rats are jumping off of Bush's ship in droves; we have exposed the lies and horrors of the 24% crowd; we've influenced the MSM to start reporting on what is really happening out there...

...and all of this was against the grain of the mentality of many folks. Once again, we go against the grain in terms of fighting for a non-candidate for President WHO HASN'T CLEARLY, UNAMBIGUOUSLY AND DEFINITELY SAID 'NO.'

I'm risking another big heartbreak, but some things are worth fighting for. Therefore, the fight continues. Don't give up now.

I wonder if he will drop his "I have no intentions of running for president but have not ruled it out in the future" line on Leno. He could just keep saying that until next November and the speculation will never cease. Do you think Gore is going to enter late? Do you think now that Clinton has won the nomination, Gore will run on a third party ticket? Do you think now that Bloomberg is running on a Unity '08 third party ticket, Gore will start a fourth party called the Planetary Survival Party and run on that one? Do you think now that it is election day, Gore is going to lead a military coup in order to restore the constitution? Now that Gore has not led the expected military coup, will he run in 2012?

It will be very telling to hear how he addresses the issue next week in his various appearances. I almost don't want to know . . .

I hope Al Franken is not on with him (remember Saturday night live in 2002?)

I commented on this yesyerday and am eager to hear EM's, Ian's and others' feedback. Perhaps I overstated it a bit, but I believe that the gang-up on Hillary and the exhuastive, in some cases, hysterical coverage of Hillalry's debate performance is going to start to erode her support. Add the facts that the Democrats' support has always been paper thin for her and that the Dems will start to panic looking for a general election alternative, and his opening to seize the race just widened. I think we may see the type of precipitous erosion of support for her that we did for Dean four years ago. However, then Kerry swooped in like super man; on paper (and in my heart) he was the PERFECT filler of the vacuum created by Dean's demise. There is no Kerry among the current crop. Her support will erode, but when the base yawns at Edwards and Obama, they'll crawl, albiet very reluctantly and nervously, back to her. Unless, Al Gore gets in.

My question, and I still do not have a clear answer, if there is one, is assuming he is to run for the Dem nomination (and I treat the 3rd Party scenario with the same seriousness as I do Elvis sightings), what's the latest he can enter? Name recognition: no problem. Money: no problem. Ground troops eager to support: no problem. But, all of these assets do not amount to a hill of beens if the deadlines pass without his getting on the ballot. What is the ABSOLUTE latest he can get on the big states' ballots. One of the DraftGore sites is treating 11/16/07 as the drop dead date. Does anyone know the significance of that date? It would help me, and probably others, if I just understood when "too late" actually means "too late." I want dates!!! EM, give me DATES:)

Nagasakee: Don't take them off - show your true colors proudly...even if you feel compelled to add a sticker for someone else too.
As for mine... my DraftGore stickers are the only thing keeping out the elements! They've proven to be much better than duct tape for covering the giant tear above the back window in my car. See, Al Gore can even keep it from raining in my car!

hangingchad: I already have a rubber room reserved! Hey, maybe we should try to reserve a big suite, or a whole wing, so we can all babble incoherently together, since we'll all be suffering from 'Gorista Syndrome'. Somebody make sure to put a Gore '08 pin on my straight jacket for me, OK?!
:dripple: :laugh: :wacko: :dripple: :laugh: :wacko: :dripple: :laugh: :wacko:

I have been wearing a re-elect Gore button since 2002...
Although it had 2004 on it, I just inserted tape over the 4 and wrote in 8
That button is staying.

EarthMother, I need Dates!!! Please! Thanks:)

Filling out a NH form, as simple as it might be, makes him a candidate. Even a /wink of acknowledgement last month that he's watching MI would have propelled ballot efforts. But the way things are, even that would be considered an act of candidacy. Gore's initiative.

As successful as the draft-gore effort has been in terms of polls and support, in the end they don't really amount to a real "draft".

But should the the opt-out state ballot efforts like CA be successful, then we have a real draft. He would have to ask that his name be removed.

So where I rest my hopes now is that he would continue "not to act" on the issue of candidacy. He would allow himself to remain.

From there we'd all have to hope that the politics of early primaries has not crippled things beyond repair.

...sorry for the double-up but I had a "Deep Thoughts, By Stewart Smalley" kind of affirmation after posting above.

On Leno. The one thing I'd like to be asked, from Leno is

"If you were to be placed on the California Ballot, would you ask to be removed from it?"

*Anything* other than "Yes, I would ask that my name be removed." would be energizing. And should he say something like

"Jay. As you know, I'm not behind these efforts. But if I were to be placed on your primary ballot, I would have to consider the outcome in terms of a potential candidacy."


/seismometer epicenter:Burbank

The problem with Gore's appearance on Leno is if the writers indeed strike that week, no new shows may be produced and Gore's appearance may be canceled. It depends on how Leno and Letterman respond to the loss of their writers. They may cease production out of respect for them until the strike is over.

I don't have all the dates! :o

This is what I know:

November 1– Filing Deadline for Georgia Primary

November 1– Filing Deadline for South Carolina Primary

November 2 - Filing Deadline for New Hampshire Primary

November 5 – Filing Deadline for Illinois Primary

November 20 – Filing Deadline for Missouri Primary

December 3 – Filing Deadline for Maryland Primary

December 3 – Filing Deadline for New York Primary

December 4 – Filing Deadline for California Primary

December 10 - Filing Deadline for Delaware Primary

December 13 – Filing Deadline for Tennessee Primary

December 14 – Filing Deadline for Virginia Primary

December 17 - Filing Deadline for Arizona Primary

December 20 – Filing Deadline for Connecticut Primary

December 21 – Filing Deadline for Massachusetts Primary

December 31– Filing Deadline for Florida Primary

January 2 – Filing Deadline for Texas Primary

January 7 – Filing Deadline for New Jersey Primary

January 29 - Filing Deadline for Kentucky Primary

Unfortunately, I can't vouch for the accuracy of these dates. For example, this list originally said that the NH filing deadline was Nov. 16th, but unless everything I've heard and read is wrong, it's actually today (Nov. 2nd). So take it with a grain of salt . . .

And regarding the reference you made to the Draft Gore site that said Nov. 16th was the drop-dead date, I'm guessing that was based on the information that the NH filing deadline was originally Nov. 16th. I wonder if there's any chance that the Nov. 2nd date is incorrect? :?:

Because the draft Gore effort so far is really a gigantic "Please Run", not a draft.

His name on an opt-out primary ballot is what we need.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/29/211640/09