http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmnaFOE...CWEdB7bv9NuDDAw

Sounds as if VP is in the offering
(one never reveals their hands so early in the game)

and it certainly would not be degrading

Degrading is getting a faux ambassadorship or some stupid "czar" position that doesn't have any power

Only the President or Vice President actually can implemenent policy and not be shunned to the sidelines

So Obama is saying Al Gore will be his VP (IMHO of course).

That is acceptable to me if Al won't step up to the plate himself.

Gore will not be anyone's VP.

In Obama's dreams . . .

Absurd!

Obama even said it would be a step down for Gore to accept a VP spot, and he's completely right. An Obama/Gore ticket is just not reality. Gore/Obama, maybe, but Gore would be doing Obama a huge favor in that regard, and Obama knows it.
Never an O/G. Never.

IMHO, enough with the Gore as a potential VP again! Please!! That is so completely unrealistic that I can no longer stand by, having you suggest it in seemingly every post you make, without making a comment of my own! While your support and enthusiasm is undeniable, I beg you to get over the idea of Gore as a VP again. He deserves the Presidency and nothing less!
2 cents.

Why does this board sometimes not connect right, then you lose the whole post?

Anyhow-
you have it wrong.

This article in the mainstream media actually equates Al Gore with the national ticket instead of putting him down
Barack Obama realistically is #2 right now, the only one besides Hillary who can be the nominee IN THE RACE

IF AL GORE DON'T GET IN THE RACE-we must have a quick backup plan to keep his name mentioned for a national ticket

Who Gives a spit about vanity...to save the world, Al Gore must be on the ticket-if he don't run himself, then we must draft himas a VP (or 3rd party), anything less than that is suicide for mankind

Name one faux position that ever has had power to do anything besides President or Vice President? There is NONE.
People are not listened too, other agendas take precedent...

Look at Cheney-he is the #1 power in the nation, look at Clinton/Gore-Al kept issues up front and can do so agian

The choice is Al Gore-but if he does not run as a democrat, we must be ready instantly to draft him so to say in the public's mind for VP for either Obama or Hillary

And again-the article above mentions Al positively for the ticket-in the mainstream media-isn't that a great thing?(LBJ thought it was beneath him too til he accepted, same as Lloyd Bensten same as Gerald Ford who was President and came within a whisker of taking the VP for Reagan, til 41 sabatoged it by releasing the info).

In the hypothetical event that Gore DOESN"T enter the race, there should be a backup plan. However, that plan shouldn't have to be a quick (or hasty) one, and it also doesn't have to keep him on the national ticket.

Should he choose not to enter the 2008 race, we must take him on his word, and believe that he has not ruled it out for the future. I'm sure the majority of us will remain here supporting him and we'll simply move into 'Gore in 2012' mode. To throw at him offers of VP or any other 'token' position, just to "keep his name mentioned for a national ticket", is IMO, an insult. He is the one we want and need as our President, and I for one will continue that fight until...

If he doesn't run, he will clearly remain totally devoted to educating the world about climate change, and we must then shift our focus on assisting him with that overwhelming endeavor. We have to answer his call. He has not thus far asked us to stop our efforts here with regard to his run in 2008, and we must believe for now that it is still possible, but if he does, he will no doubt call on us to shift our focus instead to environmental causes and to the rebuilding of our democracy. He knows we're here; he won't leave us hanging.

We have to respect that he knows much more about the pros and cons of a run than we do, and regardless of his decision this year, we have to have his back. He will let us know what course he wants us on, all in good time, and we just need to answer his call, regardless of the direction in which it takes us.
That should be our backup plan.

I agree. Been there, done that. He runs for president or he doesn't run.

edited to add: IF he doesn't run for President (and I pray with a white-hot intensity that he WILL run for President), I would much rather see him appointed to a newly-created role of "Climate Czar" than as VP. But it is a moot point because he would never go back to being VP again. Obama is exactly right that it would be a step down for him at this point. He can do much more as Private Citizen Gore or Climate Czar Gore than he could as anyone's VP. But as I said and said and said and will say and say and say again: he needs to run for PRESIDENT! THAT is the ticket, babies. He must run. Period.

But the future will be too late. Too late to turn around global climate change. This is Gore's time, he MUST run now. There is simply no other reality that I will allow myself to consider.

You are quoting me,
HOWEVER-
that is not my quote, that is someone else's you got mixed into my name

To answer your reply-
NOW is when he needs to be in office 2009-2016 not later
Either as president or vice president

He could be Climate Czar as the VP in a negotiated settlement to take the job
Otherwise the title will do as little as Tommy Thompson and Tom Ridge did
(Duct Tape, duct tape, duct tape then they ducked under the desk in fear)

only a VP would have quality time/position with the president, not to mention-Gore being the one to decide ties in the senate can foster good will with those senators who need their arms twisted to vote the right way
Think about it

We need to act the minute IF IT HAPPENS and he says NO to running for #1, to insist to Hillary or Obama he become VP

Hell, if a republican wins, we should insist then he become climate czar, but they might have inhofe get the position

Oooops, you are right, I don't know how that coding mix-up happened, but I have fixed it to show the correct poster I was quoting. Anyway, I have to disagree w/you about Al accepting the nomination for VP. It would be a constricting step backward for amazing, wonderful, powerful Private Citizen Gore right now. It's the presidency he must go for now. America, the world and the planet desperately need him, as he is uniquely qualified to lead us at this pivotal time. IF he doesn't run (and he is GOING to run), I think he could do more in a "Climate Czar" type of appointment, as I said, than he could as VP. VP's are largely perceived as stiff and staid, and Gore has had to work hard to shed that image and show the world that, while that is the image of the institution of VP, that is NOT who he is. He is a visionary, brilliant leader who served us greatly in the office of VP but who should remain free of its constraints at this point in history. True, the presidency is also mightily constraining in some ways but it is, obviously, an awfully, awfully powerful position, versus the VP position often being largely ceremonial. The presidency of the United States of America is one of the most uniquely powerful positions in the world, and one that Al Gore, I believe, was born to fill. And it isn't too dramatic to state that we don't, as a species and a planet, have four more years or eight more years to wait for his specific leadership. Have you ever seen the show "LOST"? Well, it is my favorite, but I digress. My point is, though, that like the character John Locke on LOST, Gore has a destiny to fulfill. Part of that was being VP, which he has already done. Part of that was doing all the crucial and amazingly great work he has done during this otherwise terrible period of the Bush II presidency. And part if it is to become president of the United States of America in 2008.

Period!

I'm not going away from Gore if he doesn't run this time. I'll work for him whenever he decides to run and if he never decides to run again.

Obama needs Gore more than Gore needs Obama. Does he think that Gore would help him now?

The VP has the inside advantage to be the next President

Therefore "not running now, but not closing the door on the future" can easily be in 2012 or 2016 if he is the VP now

Let alone an unexpected event occurs and voila, president without running in the first place (impeachment, injury, God forbid another tragic event)

And I have said before (too often for some), being VP for a 3rd or 4th term, makes you #1 on the VP of alltime list, so it makes you "immortal " that way too

And taking one for the team, makes one a team player, and taking one for the country means saving the country

(Again, only if he doesn't run himself...as James will tell you, I heartedly suggested he become Dean's VP, although I believe Bob Graham was the one to have gotten that job)

LBJ had more power as majority leader than as VP, but he never would have become President without having been VP

And, Obama could instantly say, Gore could be President of the Environment issues, a sort of co-presidency (Hillary could do the same too)

Just think, Spiro T. Agnew, if he wasn't a crook, would have become President.
And a complete utter nobody named Gerald Ford did become President.
Gerald Who? was what most people thought back then...
Here you have perhaps the #1 most known person in America politics, and he would instantly give the person at the top of the ticket the winning edge (to those that say Hillary and Obama have no experience)...

It would indeed be a different type of campaign...not a ceremonial post, but a meaty one. Instead of like olden days going to funerals and parties in lieu of the president, he goes to the environmental causes worldwide as part of America to right the wrongs...(after all-what really is a vice president's duties-whatever they negotiate to do...and to be ready in a heartbeat to take over as President-
who is more qualified than Al Gore for that?

I agree with Re-elect: it is at least a possibility that Gore might agree to serve as VP under Clinton, Obama or Edwards, and then run in 2016. But Gore as VP would eclipse all of them, and so they would probably ask someone else.

I think it is now time for Gore to get in the race. Obama and Edwards have not been able to catch Clinton, and Gore's "timing" -- fresh off a Nobel Peace Prize and meetings with European leaders -- could not be better. It's this week or next, or never, in my opinion.

Again, I agree totally with earthmother: Gore wouldn't want to be Vice President again.

But I'm telling you here and now, if the cosmos makes any sense at all (and I just have to believe that it does), he will run for President in 2008. The time is now. And I believe that Gore knows that. I think, frankly, that part of him doesn't want to run. As he jokes, he is a "recovering politician". And who wouldn't be after what he and all of us went through in 2000? And I also believe that, much as he used to want to be President, he has reached a point now at which global climate change is his cause and his passion, and ideally he would love to focus all his time and energy on that instead of on all the other weighty issues that the President of the United States would have to take on (Iraq, terrorism, Social Security, the health care system, the unholy mess that the shrub administration has left in its wake on all fronts, etc., etc., ETC.). All that said, though, I think he knows that, as President, he could accomplish great things on the global climate change front. Also, he would be a great all-around President, not just on that issue. But on that issue, which is his mission and his passion, he would be in a unique position of power to get things done. And I think that fact, if nothing else, will make him decide to enter the race, albiet possibly reluctantly. I think he is surprised by how much he loves being Private Citizen Gore and by all that he has accomplished, but the thing is, he can go back to that role again later. Now is the time for President Gore.

President Gore! I love writing that!

Yes and just as Bush fails to face reality about his failed policies in Iraq, you fail to face reality about your delusional proposition.

Ian seem to be an intelligent person so think about it logically.

If Gore thinks he can do more good by not running for President, why would he think he could to more good in the lesser role of VP. A position he held for 8 years so he knows it's limitations. Just not logical.

Also, he would be denounced in the media as a coward for riding on someone else's coattails to win an election and not going after the top spot himself when he ample opportunity to do so.

Plus in 2016 Gore would be older than Reagan was in 1980.

From Obama's point of view, Gore as VP would be an admission that he was not experienced enough to be President.

Although I am a Met fan-

Why did Billy Martin take the manager job 4 or 5 different times?
Some would say he should have told George Hell NO you had your chance, I wouldn't do it again

But he did.

You fall off a horse, you pick yourself up, you dust yourself off, you get back on

Being that 43 men have been President, and I think less than 35 other people have been Vice President, making less than 80 people in history in either position,
Seems to me there is no embarrassment in being VP two different times
Would seem to me to be quite an important position to be the only one in history to have done it 2x

Seems to me to be an honor to stand on inauguration day in Jan.09 on the podium and take an oath of office IF HE DOES NOT RUN for the top post...

Why the hell not? So call me delusional.
He would be heartbeat away from the Presidency of either a woman hated by alot of people in the nation, or the First Black President, in a nation filled with racists who the other side will try and find some scandal to toss them out of office...seems to me with Bill having been impeached, Hillary could be impeached.....seems to me sometime in the 8 years after, it is quite possible the #2 would be #1...
Not some honorary czar, but the sitting vice-president...and I would rather that be Al Gore than say Joe Lieberman or John Edwards or someone else...

wrong-elmundo...

It would be Mike Dukakis picking Lloyd Bentsen

It would be JFK picking LBJ (much stronger person than JFK ever was)

It would be Bush43 picking Cheney to show strength

It would be Clinton picking Gore in 1992 to say he needed someone better than him to get elected

It would be a way to harness the anti-war voters who need a bone thrown to them
(no matter who the pick would be)

It would be a sign of greatness, not weakness

Solidarity from the party (which you James keep stressing is better than 3rd party, so be consistent then...)

IF it leads to victory, nobody will say anything negative

And if it leads to a cure for the nations ills, then anyway you get there it is worth it

And if it leads to a solution for global warming that was not possible if Hillary picks John Edwards or JOe Lieberman

And it would put Gore one heartbeat away from the presidency

Maybe it is time to start another 2Cent campaign --

by sending 2C to Obama, Edwards, Clinton Family, Kucinnich, Biden, Richardson, ...

asking them to ....

drop out...

as a service to the country.

I like that idea.

You're comparing being manager of a baseball team to running for President of the United States.

You really need therapy!

False analogy, Bentsen had never served as VP before nor was he ever the party's nominee.

False analogy number 2: LBJ had never served as VP before and was never the party's nominee.

False analogy 3: Cheney had never severed as VP nor was ever his party's nominee.

Wow you really love intellectually dishonest argument. Again, in 1992 Gore had not been VP previously nor had he ever been the party's nominee.

There are plenty of other choices that would throw a bone to them.

That's not how the corporate media would play it.

You love to misquote the other side to prove your arguments. Never said that. Have always said that a 3rd Party run by Gore is as unrealistic as him running for VP again.

Yes they will. People like you and your fellow GOPers are still saying negative things about Bill Clinton's two victories.

That's not the point and you know it. You are incredibly dishonest as usual. The point is that is an unrealistic proposal that will never happen.

He's already been a heartbeat away from the presidency.

And before you make this ridiculous proposal again with all your false analogies and itellectually dishonest arguments please try to anwwer these 2 questions honestly.

1. If Al Gore feels he could do more good by not running for President (and remember he would have had the nomination virtually unopposed in 2004 and rather easily now if he had wanted to run) why would he consider running as VP a position with much less power?

2. How much does the GOP pay you to come here and disrupt things?

All true, which is why I think Gore as VP is unlikely. I am just not ruling it out tout court.

We all need to go over to current.com and keep begging.

That's fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

You are the one shilling for Hillary, not me.

Gore doesn't like politics
As VP it is not on his shoulders to run the campaign, and he can claim he has no part in the dirt of the campaign, that would be Hillary or Obama

If he can't be #1, answer me this, why wouldn't he want power (unless he just doesn't give a s*it anymore, and I think you and I both agree that is not the case.)

You are the one shilling for corprate America and the Media
I don't care about either of them, nor do I care what they will say

Once they are in office, they will spend time putting Hillary down(if she is the one) or bitching about other things, not the VP

Where do you come up with this

As stated- I think this board is 50-50 with this idea, not bad start of things
ASSUMING HE DOESN'T RUN HIMSELF, and time is quickly approaching D-day for a democratic run through the primaries
(If YOU think there is going to be a brokered convention, you are the one daydreaming, those things never happen anymore)...

He did NOT have a clear run in 2004 as Terry McAuliffe said NO MONEY for you, and the internet was not what is now for fundraising...
He point blank was told by the DEMOCRATIC ELITE led by the Clinton's and McAuliffe not to run

Your Terry McAuliffe, not mine (the same Terry McAuliffe who is already crowning Hillary the President, by the way)...

I'm not shilling for anyone except Al Gore. As for Hillary, I'll vote for her if she is the nominee but she is not my first choice. However, I don't believe in demonizing her by parroting GOP talking points or other false crap from the mouths of people like Rush and Ann Coulter.

The traditional role of the VP candidate in a campaign is to be the attack dog so he would be involved in the worst dirt of the campaign.

Not everyone craves power. And if he feels he can do more good out of the political realm then I say more power to him. I support Al Gore in whatever way he chooses to serve, not just within narrow parameters that I dictate.

So you prefer to stick your head in the sand and ignore them. What a surprize!
In 2000 the MSM spent the entire campaign trashing Gore. If you don't think that it had an effect on the outcome of that election then you truly are deluded.

Yeah like they spent no time going after Gore in the '90s.

Newspapers, the internet and other forms of information gathering techniques that provide facts. Sure it would be easier to just ignore reality and make things up that fit my personal world view like you do, but I prefer to know what's real and what's not.

50/50??? You really are fooling yourself. Most people on this and the other boards you've posted this drivel on for the last 4 years have repeatedly told you that it is an unrealistic idea that will never happen. But like an inmature child you refuse to give it up and admit that you're wrong. You don't even have to admit you're wrong. Just stopped posting it over and over and over again. It's time to move on to something more constructive.

Now you're just making stuff up again. This is completely untrue and you know it. Why are you so desperate to win an argument with someone you've never met on an internet board that you are always so quick to resort to lies?

And I've never heard Terry McAuliffe speak of Al Gore in anthing but the most positive way.

You still didn't answer my questions:

1. If Al Gore feels he could do more good by not running for President (and remember he would have had the nomination virtually unopposed in 2004 and rather easily now if he had wanted to run) why would he consider running as VP a position with much less power?

2. How much does the GOP pay you to come here and disrupt things?

Al Gore won in 2000

The republicans stole the race
Make that the Bush's stole the race

So America did vote for him and voted in a landslide for him in Florida

He won

WITHOUT THE CLINTON'S HELP

He had it stolen with the clinton's help-or should I say NO HELP during the recount
The Clinton's are the selfish ones who care about the Clinton's and nobody else.

Unfortunately, until all democrats see that, Hillary will win and that is a shame...

We need to get Al Gore in office in either position

BTW James, if Al Gore does not run for president, and there is a big push for him
being VP, I betcha we are going to see you be one of the most supportive people
trying to make it happen at that time too :lol: :clap:
It's not like you don't want him in office,so you are just arguing with me just to argue with me
At the end of the day, we are on the same page with the important stuff

People don't actually want negative campaigns...the campaigns want negatives, but people are looking for clean, good honest candidates who will do something
and Al Gore fits that bill (note-Hillary has James Carville to do all the attack dogging needed).

See that's the part that you don't get. There won't be a big push for Gore to be VP. It is an unrealistic goal.

No I argue with you because you lie and someone has to set the record straight.

Thank you James for setting the record straight.