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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DickMor...an_beat_hillary.

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I think Dick Morris is still is a genius at polling and predictions of potential scenarios?

This would explain to me why Gore has not come out and said---"well I am NOT running in 2008 for certain, maybe someday, but not 2008 even though it is flattering???

Also, it would geet back at H-rod in a devasting way. Politics has a way of settling old scores, a universal balance thingy!

The above link did not work????

Go to Drudge, then scroll to Dick Morris, then scroll down to Tuesday October 16th!

Worth the read!

The clock keeps ticking. tick tick tick. And, we hear nothing, nothing. I called his office and again urged him to make an announcement post haste. He set the precedent last election of giving his following clear directives. It is trying and grating that we are still twisting in the wind as the clock ticks closer and closer to zero. For God's sake, why will he not make a decision? John Kerry, for all of his flaws, made a decision and never equivocated when it came to 2008. I want Gore to run so badly and feel as if he owes his supporters a run after allowing them, having not been told otherwise, to devote precious energy, time and money to his running. As I will say until I am blue in the face, while he has not told us to do all this work, he never told us to stop---as he did in 2002 for 2004! Come on Al...do not treat us like brainless minions!

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DickMor...an_beat_hillary

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Al Gore can beat Hillary
By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann
Tuesday, October 16, 2007

If the bumper sticker of ’92 and ’96 (Clinton-Gore) divides, and we find Gore running against Hillary Clinton, Al Gore could not only beat the former First Lady for the Democratic nomination, he could win the presidency. Gore can seize this opportunity as the campaigns of Obama and Edwards are fading, out-fundraised, out-managed and outmaneuvered by Hillary’s campaign machine.

Al Gore – the newly minted Nobel laureate – could steal the nomination from Hillary’s well-oiled machine.

Here’s why.

He immediately demolishes Hillary’s two main claims to the nomination: her electability and her White House experience.

Gore has a proven record of being a vote-getter. Gore won the national vote in 2000, outpolling George Bush by 500,000 votes.

Hillary’s claims of being a proven winner are tenuous. She did prevail in her 2000 Senate bid – but only after Rudy Giuliani dropped out of the race at the last minute, citing his battle with prostate cancer.

In 2006, Hillary won an almost a practically uncontested re-election in 2006. Her opponent was Republican John Spencer, a valiant but poorly funded candidate. And remember, winning in blue state New York does not immediately translate into being a national winner.

Gore also has proven executive experience. Unlike Hillary, Al Gore actually played a major role in the Clinton White House.

The First Lady had little or no impact on public policy in the years after her health care fiasco cost the Democrats control of Congress and before the Lewinsky impeachment.

After the Monica case was uncovered, neither Clinton did anything of note in the realm of public policy-- so focused were they on fending off impeachment and keeping the presidency. Later, they were preoccupied with Hillary winning her Senate bid.

Contrast Gore with Hillary. Gore was, in fact, Bill Clinton’s go-to guy in the White House.

Every time an important task faced the Clinton Administration, Al Gore would step up and get the assignment.

By the end of the first Clinton term, Gore was responsible for policy in the following areas: science, space, Internet, family leave, television violence and sex, government efficiency and cost reduction, drugs, relations with Russia, air safety, tobacco regulation, and a myriad of other assignments.

Indeed, his vice presidency encompassed a very large segment of the Clinton Administration’s agenda.

Also, Gore’s Congressional and Senate tenures dwarf Hillary’s both in duration and achievement. The bottom line: Gore wins the “experience” issue.

On the matter of the Iraq war, Gore is more in sync with the Democratic base. The party’s left increasingly criticizes Hillary for her commitment to keep a residual troop presence in Iraq.

Meanwhile, Gore’s early and outspoken opposition to the war would offer a welcome haven for anti-war voters.

So far, Barack Obama has demonstrated an inability to get to Hillary’s left on the war and win over the party base. Obama has agreed with her about the need for an ongoing t roop commitment, something many Democrats find anathema.

Thus, Gore makes the logical place to turn for a real antiwar candidate.

Of course, climate change and global warming, the issue that brought Gore the Nobel, is his personal issue.

With a growing army of environmentalist voters, horrified at photos of polar bears searching in the Arctic Sea for ice on which to stand, Al Gore is not only an advocate. He is a prophet, now brought in from the wilderness.

Can Gore raise the money this late in the race? Sure he can.

By now, many of Obama’s donors must be getting anxious that their candidate isn’t going anywhere. His inability to sustain his early and successful fund raising pace suggests that that reality is beginning to dawn on the Illinois Senator’s donor base.

Gore need only to whistle and he will find Hollywood celebrities falling all over themselves in an effort to help him raise funds.

Gore’s own relationships with Democratic donors run deep and long standing. With environmentalists making up a large segment of Democratic Party money, Gore would quickly rise to the top of the fund raising list.

Does he have enough time to organize in the early primary states?

Gore’s late entry and national celebrity gives him an ability to avoid the micro-primary and caucus in Iowa and New Hampshire.

He can go focus on the big states of Michigan and Florida and come out ahead.

His national positioning and newly enhanced celebrity status will give him traction to overwhelm the organizational efforts of the other campaigns in these large states.

And Gore has one other major asset: it is very difficult for Bill Clinton to attack him.

Having chosen Gore as his Vice President, plucking him from the ranks of defeated presidential candidates (Gore ran and lost to Dukakis for the Democratic nod in 1988) , how can he say that he is not qualified to be president?

Having praised Gore lavishly throughout the 1990s, he will have great difficulty now persuading voters that his former running mate is not worthy of election.

Will Al run?

There are good reasons for him to stay out. He has been catapulted to international celebrity status, putting him on a level with Nelson Mandela, Lech Walesa, Vaclav Havel, and the Dali Lama.

So why should Al and Tipper once again go through the muddy trenches of American politics?

Gore knows he has a historic factoid on his resume, having won the the U.S. popular vote in 2000. Why risk it by perhaps losing a race for the nomination?

Gore has made clear he is motivated by substantive goals for the country and the world.

If he really does care about global climate change and wants to lead the world in stopping it – I believe he is sincere in this pursuit – what better way to make this happen then becoming president of the United States.

I have no doubt that Al Gore would be a very strong candidate and could defeat Hillary for the Democratic nomination.

At this point, Gore may be tempted to make the race. In his view, he wants to save the world. That’s a serious motivator.

Morris, a former political adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race. To get all of Dick Morris’s and Eileen McGann’s columns for free by email, go to www.dickmorris.com

QUOTE (jharri1992 @ Oct 23 2007, 10:09 PM)

... For God's sake, why will he not make a decision? ...

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ???
He HAS made a decision.
He 'has no plans.'
THAT'S why we are involved in a draft.

QUOTE (jharri1992 @ Oct 23 2007, 10:09 PM)

... I want Gore to run so badly and feel as if he owes his supporters ...
... Come on Al...do not treat us like brainless minions!

So...
The person that you want to run 'so badly', is
treating us like 'brainless minions?'
Yikes, that's 'out there.'
And disrespectful.

"he has no plans" is not a decision. And, I think we are owed a little more than that while he claims the sky is falling --global Warming -- and we spend our finite resources on something that may prove to be in waste. I've been here all along. I write. I call. I donate. I think we're owed: I am running or I am not. As was proven by the Michigan situation, the draft is very difficult without the candidate's explicit assent.

QUOTE (jharri1992 @ Oct 24 2007, 12:12 AM)

.. the draft is very difficult without the candidate's explicit assent.

OK, I see what is happening here.
You don't know what a draft is.

My friend, as I have invested significant time, energy, prayer, hope and money into this effort, bewitching hour draws close and we ares still left in an abyss of not knowing, my feelings and emotions do become conflicted. If all of this effort proves in vain, that is he decides not to run; and he at the very same time is claiming that the world is facing a crisis of unequal gravity (global Warming), how could you possibly reconcile that view of doom and gloom with allowing people to devote all of this energy that could otherwise be spent on the emergency? Yes, I am frustrated and desperate. I see the polls. I see how he performs better than Hillary as an unannounced candidate in the battleground states. I see how she can never, according to polls, break 50. That scares me to death. And, he would landslide the oppoistion. It is all in his hands. So, I do feel like we are owed an explicit decision, as was provided in 2002, about whether he is running. As I have said numerous times, if his waiting is part of a plan to announce at the "perfect" time, I'll glasly shutup and eat my words. But, if no annoucement follows our efforts, you are darn right I will be furious and you should be too.

I know what a draft is. Answer this: would it be easier to get him on the abllots if he announced today or if he says nothing....Michigan?

I have a feeling that he is coming ...

My applause to the good folks in Michigan. But the reality is that there is not a Michigan Primary that will select delegates to the Democratic Convention in Denver. The real selection process will be the Michigan Caucus.

http://www.michigandems.com/dsp.html

QUOTE (Wayne in WA State @ Oct 24 2007, 01:05 AM)

My applause to the good folks in Michigan. But the reality is that there is not a Michigan Primary that will select delegates to the Democratic Convention in Denver. The real selection process will be the Michigan Caucus.

http://www.michigandems.com/dsp.html

Those "facts" are from 2006. State Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said that caucuses instead of a primary "isn't going to happen."

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/in...st=newsmichigan

Sorry if I linked to an out-of-date site. :(

But, my understanding of the Michigan 2008 primary is that it's still in flux because of the pre-Iowa and pre-NH date. It's not a 'normal' Democratic primary.

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Thing about Michigan is, it appears if at last minute the date is changed to an acceptable date, the filing deadlines still will be the same.

And you need, what about 2165 delegates, without that number you cannot be nominated, once Hillary reaches that # it is over.

The days of swiping delegates is long gone
(AND-last thing Al would want is to be accused of stealing votes, being that his job was stolen out from under him in 2000).

He will have to enter, either as a democrat or later on as 3rd party.

It will NOT be handed to him
(Only way these days it is handed to you if you are VP, at which point the person who was president either was impeached(like Bill Clinton) ousted(unlike Bill Clinton) or is deceased.

While we all know Al won in 2000
And we demand that a ruling is set forth now seating Al just like that (snapping fingers), it is not to be

And Hillary, Edwards all need to quit, and beg Al to run...yeah, right, with those massive egos?

QUOTE (jharri1992 @ Oct 23 2007, 10:09 PM)

The clock keeps ticking. tick tick tick. And, we hear nothing, nothing. I called his office and again urged him to make an announcement post haste. He set the precedent last election of giving his following clear directives. It is trying and grating that we are still twisting in the wind as the clock ticks closer and closer to zero. For God's sake, why will he not make a decision? John Kerry, for all of his flaws, made a decision and never equivocated when it came to 2008. I want Gore to run so badly and feel as if he owes his supporters a run after allowing them, having not been told otherwise, to devote precious energy, time and money to his running. As I will say until I am blue in the face, while he has not told us to do all this work, he never told us to stop---as he did in 2002 for 2004! Come on Al...do not treat us like brainless minions!

Al Gore does not "owe his supporters" anything.

QUOTE (AlGoreFan @ Oct 24 2007, 12:38 AM)

I have a feeling that he is coming ...

And..............what???

I respectfully disagree: he does owe us and the world a clear directive. When you are arguing that House A needs to be saved; and all of those people are working on House B on your behalf for a cause you know is in waste, you cannot in good faith argue that you are concerned about House A when you do not stop them from wasting their water on House B. If he runs, then obviously he does care about House A. But, you are wrong when you say that he does not owe us the courtesy of knowing whether we should spend our precious little water on House A or B. Admiring him is one thing. Being an apologist for everything he does, no matter what, without question, is what got us into the mess we are in with "the decider." There is no one I know who wants Gore in that WH as much as I, plenty like yourself who crave it as much. But, I do think he owes us a decision and that letting us twist in the wind indefinitely is reprehensible.

I just have to trust that Al has a reason for not showing us, or the media, or other political figures all his cards at this time. He isn't doing this just to make us squirm. Yeah, it's difficult. But if Al Gore thinks it's necessary to wait until November 3rd 2007 to announce at the Carthage courthouse he will run in 2008, then I have plenty of reason to trust Gore's judgement.

Poker Face Al, Poker Face..

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:spikey: :laugh:

Is there any significance to the date of November 3, 2007 that you mentioned in your Carthage Courthouse scenario. I could not imagine a better setting for an annoucement. Do you know if he has something planned that day in Carthage?

Folks, in no way am I bashing Gore. If waiting is part of a stragegy, great. If it is not, then I'll be terribly disappointed and feel betrayed. I guess I'll save those feelings for...hopefully never.

There was an article in today's NY paper (I read 3 of them, don't remember which one, but it was a small piece) and it talked about the fabled plane waiting on the runway for Mario Cuomo back in 1991 to whisk him last minute into the courthouse to sign up to run

The plane may still be waiting as it never happened

The article was about Rudy officially taking that plane

Most people to this day still don't know why Mario gave up a sure thing,(one of our finest liberals at that time) and thereby allowing all the crap that has happened since to happen, being that he was not running (the liberal part of democratic party ruined by Bill Clinton(most certainly not a liberal,suspect as a democrat), who somehow got Mario Cuomo not to run by some nefarious means or other).(We know why Al Gore did not run in 1992, his son had been hit in a most mysterious hit and run accident...another event clearing the way for Clinton....isn't it odd how all these "events" clear the way for a Clinton presidency???Anyone else wonder how "coinkydinky" that seems to be, only one else who ever has that amount of "coinkydinky"luck is the Bushfamily...hmmmmm...suspicious, wonder what the actuary odds of all those breaks going one way are(about the same as the exit polls in 2000 and 2004 having been wrong for the first time since....EVER).

If Al Gore doesn't run in 2008, I will wonder the same as I have wondered since 1991 and Mario Cuomo did not run, just why he would not take that step to run...
It's beyond me if I can give you any sane reason why a sure thing doesn't happen.

But having been through this with Mario Cuomo, that same sinking nauseous feeling I got back in Dec.2000 (12-12-2000) is reappearing...and I am left to wonder WHY???

(cue Ed Ames fabulous 60s protest song "WHO WILL ANSWER")

QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Oct 25 2007, 02:05 AM)

There was an article in today's NY paper (I read 3 of them, don't remember which one, but it was a small piece) and it talked about the fabled plane waiting on the runway for Mario Cuomo back in 1991 to whisk him last minute into the courthouse to sign up to run

The plane may still be waiting as it never happened

The article was about Rudy officially taking that plane

Most people to this day still don't know why Mario gave up a sure thing,(one of our finest liberals at that time) and thereby allowing all the crap that has happened since to happen, being that he was not running (the liberal part of democratic party ruined by Bill Clinton(most certainly not a liberal,suspect as a democrat), who somehow got Mario Cuomo not to run by some nefarious means or other).(We know why Al Gore did not run in 1992, his son had been hit in a most mysterious hit and run accident...another event clearing the way for Clinton....isn't it odd how all these "events" clear the way for a Clinton presidency???Anyone else wonder how "coinkydinky" that seems to be, only one else who ever has that amount of "coinkydinky"luck is the Bushfamily...hmmmmm...suspicious, wonder what the actuary odds of all those breaks going one way are(about the same as the exit polls in 2000 and 2004 having been wrong for the first time since....EVER).

If Al Gore doesn't run in 2008, I will wonder the same as I have wondered since 1991 and Mario Cuomo did not run, just why he would not take that step to run...
It's beyond me if I can give you any sane reason why a sure thing doesn't happen.

But having been through this with Mario Cuomo, that same sinking nauseous feeling I got back in Dec.2000 (12-12-2000) is reappearing...and I am left to wonder WHY???

(cue Ed Ames fabulous 60s protest song "WHO WILL ANSWER")

You just make this up as you go along, don't you. Nothing like a good rant totally devoid of facts or logic.

There was nothing nefarious about Cuomo not running in '92. Like many others, he thought Bush was unbeatable that year.

BTW How much does the GOP pay you to come here and spread lies Clay?

QUOTE (JamesAquila @ Oct 25 2007, 06:50 AM)

QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Oct 25 2007, 02:05 AM)

There was an article in today's NY paper (I read 3 of them, don't remember which one, but it was a small piece) and it talked about the fabled plane waiting on the runway for Mario Cuomo back in 1991 to whisk him last minute into the courthouse to sign up to run

The plane may still be waiting as it never happened

The article was about Rudy officially taking that plane

Most people to this day still don't know why Mario gave up a sure thing,(one of our finest liberals at that time) and thereby allowing all the crap that has happened since to happen, being that he was not running (the liberal part of democratic party ruined by Bill Clinton(most certainly not a liberal,suspect as a democrat), who somehow got Mario Cuomo not to run by some nefarious means or other).(We know why Al Gore did not run in 1992, his son had been hit in a most mysterious hit and run accident...another event clearing the way for Clinton....isn't it odd how all these "events" clear the way for a Clinton presidency???Anyone else wonder how "coinkydinky" that seems to be, only one else who ever has that amount of "coinkydinky"luck is the Bushfamily...hmmmmm...suspicious, wonder what the actuary odds of all those breaks going one way are(about the same as the exit polls in 2000 and 2004 having been wrong for the first time since....EVER).

If Al Gore doesn't run in 2008, I will wonder the same as I have wondered since 1991 and Mario Cuomo did not run, just why he would not take that step to run...
It's beyond me if I can give you any sane reason why a sure thing doesn't happen.

But having been through this with Mario Cuomo, that same sinking nauseous feeling I got back in Dec.2000 (12-12-2000) is reappearing...and I am left to wonder WHY???

(cue Ed Ames fabulous 60s protest song "WHO WILL ANSWER")

You just make this up as you go along, don't you. Nothing like a good rant totally devoid of facts or logic.

There was nothing nefarious about Cuomo not running in '92. Like many others, he thought Bush was unbeatable that year.

BTW How much does the GOP pay you to come here and spread lies Clay?

That is NOT why Cuomo did not run

Believe what you want, for a short time we still have the freedom of our minds

That plane was indeed waiting, I remember that day well, and Mario was AWOL on stepping onto it (although some "theorize" that plane never would have landed safely if it did take off...like Paul Wellstone's and Mel Carnahan's vehicle of choice)

Go ahead and vote for HIllary, that also is your choice. I say no thanks, unless Al is carefully watching what she does as VP...

QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Oct 25 2007, 06:15 AM)

That is NOT why Cuomo did not run

Believe what you want, for a short time we still have the freedom of our minds

That plane was indeed waiting, I remember that day well, and Mario was AWOL on stepping onto it (although some "theorize" that plane never would have landed safely if it did take off...like Paul Wellstone's and Mel Carnahan's vehicle of choice)

You're really delusional. :clap:

Hiding one's head in the sand like an ostrich doesn't mean it didn't still happen that way
Aren't you ever curious why these events always go Bush/Clinton's way?
The odds of that happening are impossible.

QUOTE (Wayne in WA State @ Oct 25 2007, 12:27 AM)

I just have to trust that Al has a reason for not showing us, or the media, or other political figures all his cards at this time. He isn't doing this just to make us squirm. Yeah, it's difficult. But if Al Gore thinks it's necessary to wait until November 3rd 2007 to announce at the Carthage courthouse he will run in 2008, then I have plenty of reason to trust Gore's judgement.

Poker Face Al, Poker Face..

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:spikey: :laugh:

Oh PUH-LEEEZE let that dream come true. November 3rd is a Saturday. I could get to Carthage early and stay all day if necessary. :D But then, how would I know to go?

Didn't get to Nashville last week as I thought I might, but maybe will go Next week...hmm Nov.3...

but he would need to file in Iowa and NH himself not in TN...

He'll also miss the Nov. 1 deadline for the Georgia and S. Carolina primaries if he waits till Nov. 3.

He's blowing deadlines left and right and blowing us off in all directions. This is getting very frustrating. I agree with the Cuomo comparison but believe that Gore would pass on the easiest path to the nomination and presidency of any person in modern history, including. I can only assume he either does not want to toil in the primary states for a few months campaigning or truly does not want to be president. It is a difficult job and requires 20-hour work days, although our current "president" found a way to play 18 holes of golf the day AFTER Katrina landed. He would literally steamroll, romp to the WH. I am baffled beyond words as to why he is dickering and dithering and passing on this golden opportunity. I will try to remain optimistic a bit longer, but each day, if not hour, that passes without his explicit entry into the race undermines any chances of victory. It is sad and maddening.

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