"If a person is robbed of an election, you can't go back in a time machine and change that. But I think it would be very healing if Al Gore were to be elected president and became president in 2009."

-Paul Levinson.

We must right the wrong.

Not that you listen, but I have been saying this for years.

I like the sound of that.

Right the wrong.
AL GORE 2008

I do listen, and I vividly remember you giving up on Al Gore months and months ago.

No, I said Al Gore, by not running is giving up on us
He doesn't owe us anything, but by not running he doesn't actually care about his causes being heard

You have selective hearing what you want to hear

Whether Al Gore runs for president soon or not, and I pray that he does, he most certainly has not given up on his fellow Americans or this planet. That's absurd.

This man has surprised many people in the past who thought he was a has-been. He just may surprise some folks again.



"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. That is the principal difference between a dog and a man."
Mark Twain

No, I clearly remember reading your posts on another forum, where you mentioned how Obama was your choice, regardless of Gore's entrance or not. I also vividly remember you changing your signature at that forum, to one that had to do with your newly founded belief of Obama 08. One can claim what he/she wants, but they cannot deny events that actually took place.

Also, the post which I just quoted has to be some of the most rediculous nonsense I have ever read.

you forgot the word

IF

IF Al Gore don't run and Obama was running(which of course most people here there and everywhere thought wouldn't happen but I predicted correctly).

Which so far he isn't

But the latest talk about Obama being the next SCOTUS is indeed the most savvy thought around

Opening the door to a GORE VP for Hillary...

btw-etiquette states, what is on one place should remain on that place, lest we bring up the fact that you wish Evan Bayh to be high allmighty God, even though
Capt. Blayh voted to stop a known allowed practice of disenssion and protest.

So your guy voted with Bush to reduce any form of protest, when he voted against the legal method of flag burning.

But I won't bring that up, as it happened on a different board.
You want a non-Gore issue man to be his VP
:wtf: :spikey: is wrong with you???

Good for you FD! Clay usually speaks out of both sides of his mouth. This also explains why he is pushing for Gore as VP instead of as President.

You are the one James who would rather see Hillary pick Joe Lieberman than pick Al Gore

IF AL GORE DON"T RUN

What part of IF he don't run don't you get?

Gotta have back-up plans, or do you just want all the people here to leave if Al says no to a run?

Better there is a plan in place just in case
Why fight it?

Again you prove yourself a liar. I've never said one word on who the VP nominee should be, let alone support Lieberman for the position.

Why do you resort to lying all the time?

Propose a realistic back-up and I'll support it.

You infer it, because you seem to so hate this idea-people here are smart and know by omission if you don't like my idea, what that is possibly going to lead to
(Hillary/Joe or someone as bad).

My realistic :clap: back up is setting the time machine back to election eve 2000 when Dan Rather on CBS called the race and presidency for Al Gore

because if the following 3 don't happen, we are all up spits creek without a paddle
one he does not run for president
two he is not running third party
three he is not the VP choice

There are no other good alternatives at the end of the day, even if you keep your Rose Colored Glasses on and think Hillary will be a good thing instead of more of the same ole' same ole'

Don't we have a thread for you guys to 'duke it out' on?

No one is forcing you to read our posts.

Typical liar's strawman argument. Like, "If you don't support the invasion of Iraq then you support Saddam and all his crimes".

I don't hate your idea but know that it is unrealistic. You've been proposing it for 4 years now and no matter how many people tell you that it will never happen, you continue to push it. You just are being stubborn and unwilling to admit that you were wrong in the first place.

it wasn't a bad idea though... yet ReElectAlGore2008 wouldn't stop infecting every single thread with his drivel anyway.

Which is why I usually don't.
I usually 'wade' through your 'posts' looking for posts
that are relevant to the thread topic.

I'm just about positive that I've seen a thread
titled for this discussion.
I'll see if I can find it...

Maybe they should create a thread named "Clay's Drival" and have him restricted to posting only in that thread.

Well, how many people are saying Al is never going back into any elected position,
meaning PRESIDENT, yet we are all still here hoping he does

Isn't that what this board is for?

You are the one making the strawman arguement, by putting me down saying I am a Bushie when that is of course, totally untrue.

You just don't like that I cannot stand the Clinton's or Rahm Emmanuel or Terry McAuliffe, and do not think THEY are democrats at all in the classic meaning of the word democrats (i.e. their affirmative action stance is surely not democratic).

Then what would YOU post in? Your only posts are ones arguing with me

Especially as at least 1/2 the people here agree with me

This title is based on a quote of this thread- the only way that quote comes true is if Gore is in office. NOT Hillary and someone else in the VP.

Still deluding yourself I see.

Another lying strawman argument!

It's as true as anything that you post. And when you parrot talking points and tactics from the right, it's hard to tell the difference.

You have something against helping minorities get ahead? Now you really sound like a Bushie! :clap:

I don't blame you, earnAlGore. Granted, I don't know the history between these two. I didn't want to intrude on the posts, but I have never seen so many INSULTS flying around - and I'm not talking about you, ReElect. Frankly, I don't know how you put up with it. I'm not addressing Mr. Aquila because I don't want to get my head bit off. But I don't know why there is a problem with someone having a different opinion. Sure, there may be a slim chance of Al considering a 3rd party run - or even a VP spot. But like I've said before - I've learned to never say never.

I am not suggesting Al take a VP position - yes, I think it would be demeaning. But I wonder if Al is considering it. He may not see it that way. He may think of it as a way of being in the White House 16 years - rather than 8 - and a way to have more influence on the climate crisis. If that is his top priority, he might not consider the vanity of the situation. After all, he did go take a teaching job after he left the White House. These past few years, he's spent showing his slide show. He appparently didn't see anything demeaning about that. And look what he's made of it - an Oscar winning documentary and best selling book.

So, even though I want Al to get in as a Democrat, I'm not going to recoil should he decide to consider a 3rd party run or VP slot. Please hold your tomatoes. :unsure:

It is not about someone having a different opinion, it is about recognizing the reality of the situtation. It is about someone making an unrealistic proposal for 4 years and not giving it up, and injecting it every chance he gets even if the topic of the thread has nothing to do with it, despite numerous people on several boards telling him that it is not a reasonable proposition. It is about someone repeatedly lying and using intellectually dishonest arguments. It is about, as AlGoreFan put it, someone infecting every single thread with his drivel.

You've missed the point. It's not about recoiling should he decide to run as a 3rd party candidate or VP, it's that it is never going to happen. It is just not logical. Why would Gore a loyal Democrat pass up the chance to run for the nomination, which he would have an almost sure chance of winning, and instead run as 3rd Party candidate which has a very slim chance of success? It doesn't make any sense. Why would Gore feel he could do more good as VP than as President? Again it doesn't make any sense. And it is not a matter of opinion it is a matter of reality. It is a matter of knowing Al Gore and his record and his statements on the subject and not projecting our own feelings about the Clintons or the Democratic party on to him.

Well, I admit that ReElect does talk a lot about Gore considering a VP spot or 3rd party option. But from what I've read, he feels the Dems didn't do right by Gore in 2000 and that the VP spot is a "back-up plan."

Yes, people interject their own feelings into the situation. Some people look at reality or perceived reality differently. I admit that I do a lot of speculating myself or use reasoning to consider the issues at hand. I hope that does not offend anyone. I actually like to hear everyone's perspective, if it is reasonable and not intended to stir the pot on the board.

Again, I don't know the history here, and I do apologize if I was rude on the post above. It is not my intention to intrude, but this is a public board and I do read all the posts. I like to hear both your perspectives, even if I may not agree with everything. I just don't like to see the name calling.

Anyway, about the point of Gore running as 3rd party - or VP. You said it's never going to happen. As I've said, I try never to say "never." Because stranger things have happened. Yes, it would be illogical. Just consider it pure speculation on my part. Gore has been a life long Democrat and has recently sent out letters on behalf of the Democratic Party. So why would he turn around and run as a 3rd party. Hillary could be one reason. Or to break the partisan divide. Again, just guesses or wishful thinking on my part. I guess after this week or so, hope is all I will have to go on. Thanks for listening to my speculation, for what it's worth.

It's all he talks about. In fact he talks more about them then about constructive ways to draft Gore for the nomination.

We all feel that Gore got a raw deal in 2000.

Nothing wrong with bringing up something once and having it discussed. But there comes a point when everyone should move on and not continue to post the same thing over and over and over again for 4 years.

When someone continually puts words in other peoples' mouth and makes up stuff, they deserve to called out as a liar. The Dems should do that more with the GOP when they lie.

While that is an interesting philosophy to live by sometimes you have to recognize reality. I'm never going to marry Halle Berry. That's not me being a defeatist, it is just me facing the truth of the situation.

Nothing wrong with speculating. But after the discussion it's time to move on to something else.

Now you're projecting your opinions on to Gore.

Again you're projecting your own opinions on to Gore.

Nothing wrong with wishful thinking or speculating as long as at some point you acknowledge reality or just move on. Otherwise we just become a group of crackpots like Lyndon LaRouch supporters, and just as irrelevant.

:laugh: I see a sense of humor!

James, once again you make a lot of sense. Our wishes for this country are that Al Gore runs for President tomorrow. If he doesn't throw his hat in soon, he isn't running in 2008. Running as a 3rd party candidate would virtually assure that the Republicans will hold onto the White House. I'm certain that Al does not want that and neither do most of us. He will never run on a 3rd Party ticket and the chances he would be VP again are slim.

Gore will support a Democrat in the 2008 elections, God-willing that nominee will be himself.

How do you know that?

You are just guessing.

How do you know in the perfect storm the world is in, that a 3rd party won't win 80 percent of the vote.
The public is damn angry.
They voted in 2006 for change and nothing has changed.
More blame the other guy.
A solid third party that is out of the box and not politics as usual is what the public wants.ASSUMING THE VOTES ARE LEGAL.

If the votes are not legal, then we all know it makes little difference who runs because THEY will win, not the people. (just I feel THEY includes the Clinton's...glad we are still free enough that people can say their point of view without being taken to Gitmo).

Thanks Wayne. And if Gore is the nominee it will be due the efforts of people like you.

He not guessing. He's made a rational judgement based on examining the available facts and not projecting his own opinions on Gore. You should try it sometime.

Response

Adding on here, Mr. Aquila. The reality of the situation as Mr. Gore has been stating this past year is:

He has no plans or intentions to run for President.

He is involved in a different kind of campaign.

He feels he could do more as a citizen than as President.

He's kinda fallen out of love with politics.

But he also doesn't see the need for a Sherman statement.

He doesn't know why a 600 day campaign is a given.

He hasn't ruled out a run for all time or he hasn't shut the door.

He's a recovering politician, as he likes to refer himself as.

He may return to politics sometime in the future.

These are the realities we are dealing with. Anything we say that strays away from these statements (other than what Mr. Gore has said himself) would be our own projections, speculations, opinions, feelings, delusions or whatever you want to call it. :)

Let me add my twocents here. This reelectgore guy has truly infected nearly every thread with the same topic over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

He has said he quit on Gore.

He has said he was for Obama.

Then he said he never quit on Gore.

Then he said if you are not for his ideas you are for Hillary.

He is suspected as a REP operative here to split the movement.

Take that for what you will but Gore is a DEMOCRAT and has always been a DEMOCRAT.

He is campaigning for DEMOCRATS THIS YEAR.

Once this reelectgore guy gets the picture that we are on to his game the quicker he will be stopped.

We want Gore to win, not be marginalized in a third party.

James-you resort to personal attacks and barbs
Gore NOT running, but not getting out, who does it help?Hillary, because Obama can't get any traction...

Basing hope on the almost all WHITE state of New Hampshire is folly

If you alienate the #1 base of the party-the black voter, what do you have left?

Not much.
At what point is it Edwards will run with his hair to get out of the race and demand Gore get in?At what point will Obama, closing in on Hillary in the polls, concede?

And more important-when will the super delegates shift gear? You know, the ones in Hillary's pocket?

Just lying about my character does what the Bush family does-make any alternate idea seem nuts.

But it doesn't change the rules.
I don't like Ron Paul at all, but Paul has a better chance of winning New Hampshire (and not getting write ins) because Paul is a racist and New Hampshire is white
(Same as Iowa...why do you think they keep allowing these two anonomly of America have all the power? Specifically to keep people out...and if there are upsets...Remember Tsongis(the liar) and McCain? What good did it do them?

And how big were Al Gore's victories in 2000 in Iowa and New Hampshire?

Just because you two are pro-democrat(Hillary,Goofy Grin McAuliffe) and anti-Gore(because a vote for Hillary is against a vote for Gore), does not mean most of the board can't see through your lies.

And last I looked, there are over 1000 threads on this board...I have posted on less than 7 1/2 percent of them, so right there your lying about me posting on every thread shows...simple raw #s

Keep this raw #- 2165-approx. the # of delegates needed, of which 600-700 of those are super delegates(exact count right now unknown)...Hillary already has a great percentage locked up and no votes have been counted yet...
Either you stop Hillary, or you elect Hillary.

James-you don't have a good prediction track record do you? You would not even admit Hillary was thinking of running til she officially did, even though me and most smart people knew she was for 5 years already

as we used to say, Right on!

James-you should make a relevant point of disclosure-

YOU used to be a moderator here a few years ago, and YOU attempted to ban me or rate me down
You were overruled back then and you were no longer a moderator here after that

Your personal animosity is still the same to me though

You don't like my posts? Ignore them. Don't answer them...
but isn't it high time others on this board know that back history?

As usual you make things up.

I was a moderator here and gave up that position over a disagreement of policy that had nothing to do with you. I don't think you were even posting here at that time. EM can back me up on this.

Why do you constantly resort to lying in your posts?

And I've ignored many of your post but it is hard to when you keep addressing me by name.

As Siskel & Ebert would say :good: :good: