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AlGoreFan - October 21, 2007 12:56 AM (GMT)
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Al Gore has No "Duty" To Run For Anything 
By LadyInBlack
10/20/2007 12:04:48 PM EST

With all Al Gore has done and is continuing to do some groups still don't think his work worthy enough to support on its merits so they continue to push him to return to a toxic system that ignored the climate crisis for thirty years. They don't seem to see the big picture, nor do I believe they have grown as Mr. Gore has through all of the experiences he has been through in the past few years. They use the excuse that it is his "moral duty" to run for president this time out as if his fulfilling what he sees as his moral duty to this planet isn't good enough for them. At this point I can then only think they are continuing to push him despite his statements that he has no plans to be a candidate again for purely selfish personal political reasons so they don't have to fulfill their duty.

In a couple of interviews Mr. Gore has given recently he has stated that he should not have to apologize for not wanting to jump into the political fray. He has also stated multiple times that he has fallen out of love with politics but still wishes to influence events and policy (and even though in a system envisioned by Jefferson the presidency might actually do some good regarding this it is not the be all end all of existence as so many political pundits and others are pounding out every day and I have yet to be convinced of that especially regarding this crisis) which I believe he most certainly has and will do. For me the people hold the power and should set the tone of policy not the other way around.
As Mr. Gore has stated which is also so true, no president can get anything done without the people being informed enough to demand change. Have we really seen that on an overwhelming scale in this country yet? It has started, but we are still not near where we should be. And that is now where he stands on this climate crisis (which is the core of his work with The Climate Project, The Alliance For Climate Protection, and Current tv) and it is the crux of his most important work on a global scale because this is a global crisis.

Therefore, as a supporter of this good man for going on twenty years I have to be frank and state that I find the incessant hounding of him, guilting him, and trying to place his name on ballots without his consent because they think it is his "duty" to run arrogant and detracting from the work that could be going on to actually help him with bringing this country to a political tipping point across the board and across the political divide regarding the climate crisis. We can ask why they have done nothing for the last seven plus years to change anything but then the question that follows is what have we done to make them?

How can you change the world from a system that has no vision with a populace that isn't outaged on the whole about that?

So in response to Mr. Gore's words that he does not believe he needs to apologize for not wanting to jump into the political fray because there is much work to be done to change the moral mindset regarding this crisis to force that political tipping point sooner than it would take otherwise, I say I agree. He doesn't need to apologize to anyone for how he now wishes to live his life and how he believes making change will be most effective, especially in light of it being vindicated with the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize.

After thirty years in a toxic beltway that was and still is stagnant regarding the climate crisis which in turn led to a blacking out of this issue by the media, I applaud his resolve, his perseverence, his vision, and his leadership as an environmental ambassador and statesman in doing what the political world never did. And as he also stated recently he is only 59 and has much more living to do with no need to close any doors or deliver "Sherman" statements no one else is required to give, because well, he is now free to do as he sees fit.

So please, Mr. Gore, stay your course and follow your heart because I do believe it is the one that will lead to a better world, and know that you do have supporters out here who support you for who you are not what they want you to be and who trust your judgement because we see the changes it is bringing.

You have done your duty and now it is our turn. Anyone who thinks you haven't done so or for whom your years of service to this country weren't enough, well, I don't know if they truly understand the true urgency of this that must now transcend politics in order to change it.

JamesAquila - October 21, 2007 01:17 AM (GMT)
I saw this on another site and while I hope that Gore does decide to run, I'm posting it because a few people have the attitude that Gore owes it to us to run and is a coward if he doesn't.

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Al Gore has No "Duty" To Run For Anything 
By LadyInBlack
10/20/2007 12:04:48 PM EST

With all Al Gore has done and is continuing to do some groups still don't think his work worthy enough to support on its merits so they continue to push him to return to a toxic system that ignored the climate crisis for thirty years. They don't seem to see the big picture, nor do I believe they have grown as Mr. Gore has through all of the experiences he has been through in the past few years. They use the excuse that it is his "moral duty" to run for president this time out as if his fulfilling what he sees as his moral duty to this planet isn't good enough for them. At this point I can then only think they are continuing to push him despite his statements that he has no plans to be a candidate again for purely selfish personal political reasons so they don't have to fulfill their duty.

In a couple of interviews Mr. Gore has given recently he has stated that he should not have to apologize for not wanting to jump into the political fray. He has also stated multiple times that he has fallen out of love with politics but still wishes to influence events and policy (and even though in a system envisioned by Jefferson the presidency might actually do some good regarding this it is not the be all end all of existence as so many political pundits and others are pounding out every day and I have yet to be convinced of that especially regarding this crisis) which I believe he most certainly has and will do. For me the people hold the power and should set the tone of policy not the other way around.
As Mr. Gore has stated which is also so true, no president can get anything done without the people being informed enough to demand change. Have we really seen that on an overwhelming scale in this country yet? It has started, but we are still not near where we should be. And that is now where he stands on this climate crisis (which is the core of his work with The Climate Project, The Alliance For Climate Protection, and Current tv) and it is the crux of his most important work on a global scale because this is a global crisis.

Therefore, as a supporter of this good man for going on twenty years I have to be frank and state that I find the incessant hounding of him, guilting him, and trying to place his name on ballots without his consent because they think it is his "duty" to run arrogant and detracting from the work that could be going on to actually help him with bringing this country to a political tipping point across the board and across the political divide regarding the climate crisis. We can ask why they have done nothing for the last seven plus years to change anything but then the question that follows is what have we done to make them?

How can you change the world from a system that has no vision with a populace that isn't outaged on the whole about that?

So in response to Mr. Gore's words that he does not believe he needs to apologize for not wanting to jump into the political fray because there is much work to be done to change the moral mindset regarding this crisis to force that political tipping point sooner than it would take otherwise, I say I agree. He doesn't need to apologize to anyone for how he now wishes to live his life and how he believes making change will be most effective, especially in light of it being vindicated with the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize.

After thirty years in a toxic beltway that was and still is stagnant regarding the climate crisis which in turn led to a blacking out of this issue by the media, I applaud his resolve, his perseverence, his vision, and his leadership as an environmental ambassador and statesman in doing what the political world never did. And as he also stated recently he is only 59 and has much more living to do with no need to close any doors or deliver "Sherman" statements no one else is required to give, because well, he is now free to do as he sees fit.

So please, Mr. Gore, stay your course and follow your heart because I do believe it is the one that will lead to a better world, and know that you do have supporters out here who support you for who you are not what they want you to be and who trust your judgement because we see the changes it is bringing.

You have done your duty and now it is our turn. Anyone who thinks you haven't done so or for whom your years of service to this country weren't enough, well, I don't know if they truly understand the true urgency of this that must now transcend politics in order to change it.

TNblue - October 21, 2007 03:13 AM (GMT)
Uh-huh. Well here's to LIB (aka, Ann Coulter's evil twin??)

HOGWASH!! Quit coming here, reading our posts, then writing critical pieces about us. You know nothing about what the people in this movement have done and have been doing for longer than you care to know to combat all kinds of environmental problems.
Al Gore has given voice to thousands of us around the world who otherwise would continue to go unheard and pushed aside.

I'll use Gore's words when I say "I hope I'm wrong," but if he's not the next POTUS his message is going to become increasingly difficult to get across. How can he possibly get more exposure than he's had this year? I can think of only one way. Do you really think Hillary, or any of the other candidates for that matter, are going to make global warming a priority issue? Not going to happen.

LIB, sounds like you're just trying to be provocative to push our buttons. If you really believe what you've written, then so be it. And, by the way, we don't harass VP Gore. Actually, if you'd done your homework while spying on us here, you'd see that we actually respect and protect him.

So, we'll keep doing what we're doing because we're thinking positively. You just go on over and read Hillary's forum. Oh...that's right, she doesn't have one. Too bad. :spikey:

AlGoreFan - October 21, 2007 05:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (TNblue @ Oct 20 2007, 09:13 PM)
Uh-huh. Well here's to LIB (aka, Ann Coulter's evil twin??)

HOGWASH!! Quit coming here, reading our posts, then writing critical pieces about us. You know nothing about what the people in this movement have done and have been doing for longer than you care to know to combat all kinds of environmental problems.
Al Gore has given voice to thousands of us around the world who otherwise would continue to go unheard and pushed aside.

I'll use Gore's words when I say "I hope I'm wrong," but if he's not the next POTUS his message is going to become increasingly difficult to get across. How can he possibly get more exposure than he's had this year? I can think of only one way. Do you really think Hillary, or any of the other candidates for that matter, are going to make global warming a priority issue? Not going to happen.

LIB, sounds like you're just trying to be provocative to push our buttons. If you really believe what you've written, then so be it. And, by the way, we don't harass VP Gore. Actually, if you'd done your homework while spying on us here, you'd see that we actually respect and protect him.

So, we'll keep doing what we're doing because we're thinking positively. You just go on over and read Hillary's forum. Oh...that's right, she doesn't have one. Too bad. :spikey:

Don't worry, LIB doesn't speak for Al Gore fans. LIB speaks for another website, no greater than this one and with a heck of a lot less AGfans.

ReElectAlGore2008 - October 21, 2007 07:35 AM (GMT)
sounds like Jan(Patriots) wrote this or someone with her point of view.

Luckily, for a few months more, it still is America, where anyone can have any point of view.

Of course, that may not always be so, in Bushworld2007...which is really why Al Gore needs to run.

If he doesn't run, no one will care about his cause. It just won't happen.

Catch-22. And then there may no longer be a free country to let things happen if he doesn't.

If Al Gore can live with himself if that happens, then this writer might have a point.

But somehow, I and many others, think he could not IF he really is TRUE to his cause(s)...

The onus is on Al Gore...

Does Al Gore want Hillary Rodham Clinton Bush to be the next President, or
CAN AMERICA DO BETTER?
Al Gore is the only one left who can answer that question. There is NO other choice.

ReElectAlGore2008 - October 21, 2007 07:38 AM (GMT)
LIB sounds like Jan (Patriots for...) or someone just like her.

Who has been spewing this view for years now.

I just posted on James thread of the same thing.

Can Al Gore live with Hillary Rodham Clinton Bush as President? Because that is the only other choice if he don't run. The race will be over Feb.5 then.

The choice IS ONLY Al Gore's...no one else is left to save the world.

JamesAquila - October 21, 2007 12:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Oct 21 2007, 02:35 AM)
sounds like Jan(Patriots) wrote this or someone with her point of view.

Luckily, for a few months more, it still is America, where anyone can have any point of view.

Of course, that may not always be so, in Bushworld2007...which is really why Al Gore needs to run.

If he doesn't run, no one will care about his cause. It just won't happen.

Catch-22. And then there may no longer be a free country to let things happen if he doesn't.

If Al Gore can live with himself if that happens, then this writer might have a point.

But somehow, I and many others, think he could not IF he really is TRUE to his cause(s)...

The onus is on Al Gore...

Does Al Gore want Hillary Rodham Clinton Bush to be the next President, or
CAN AMERICA DO BETTER?
Al Gore is the only one left who can answer that question. There is NO other choice.

As usual Clay has missed the point.

The onus is not on Al Gore. He has given most of his life to public service. And he is still serving the public with his campaign against global warming. If he decides not to run that is his choice, it is his life and he decides how he can best serve.

The truth is the onus is on us. It is up to us to fight Global warming and for all the other issues important to us. And despite Clay's fear mongering arguments, this is still a free country and always will be. This website and the hard work of people in the draft movement is a testament to that freedom.

But once again the onus is on us to keep it a free country and most everyone here is up to that challenge. If you don't want Hillary Clinton to be the nominee for whatever reason, then go out and pick a candidate, either Kucinich or Obama or Edwards or Biden or Richardson, and work as hard for that candidate as you've worked for Gore.

Remember this time 4 years ago Dean was Mr. Inevitable. He was ahead in the polls and had raised more money than everyone else. John Kerry's and John Edwards' campaigns were considered dead. But in the last week before the Iowa caucus everything changed. And there is still plenty of time for change this year too.

Al Gore is a great man but he is not some mystical superhero who is going to cure all the world's ills by running for President. Clay seems to think that it is Al Gore's duty to fight those battle's for us. But he couldn't be more wrong. If Gore has taught us anything it is that we are the people and we are the ones who have the power to cure the world's ills. The onus is on us, not Al Gore.

ReElectAlGore2008 - October 21, 2007 12:51 PM (GMT)
The last 7 years has proven the little guy (you and me) has NO power to fight the corrupt empire(and IMHO of course, Hillary is part of that), others can disagree.

While this board and the draft movement is here, until Gore accepts the draft, is nominated, and wins, it is all for show, unfortunately...

sure wish it were true otherwise, but it is not.

ALGOREismylife - October 21, 2007 04:21 PM (GMT)
I don't even bother reading LadyinBlack's stuff. Not worth my time.

JamesAquila - October 21, 2007 08:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Oct 21 2007, 07:51 AM)
The last 7 years has proven the little guy (you and me) has NO power to fight the corrupt empire(and IMHO of course, Hillary is part of that), others can disagree.

While this board and the draft movement is here, until Gore accepts the draft, is nominated, and wins, it is all for show, unfortunately...

sure wish it were true otherwise, but it is not.

As usual Clay you see the dark cloud and not the silver lining. Or maybe you just prefer fearmongering (worked for the GOP long enough).

The first 5 years after 9/11 Bush and the GOP unfortunately had the support of the majority of the people. But that has changed now and the little people have changed it.That is why the Dems took control of Congress. That is why whomever the Dem nominee for President has the best chance to win the Presidency.

The people can make a difference. And it is up to us to make that difference whether Gore runs or not.

NastyDiaper - October 22, 2007 12:38 AM (GMT)
I'm pretty sure that I know who 'Jan' is from the DU. I actually agree with her title. But pretty much disagree that we are 'hounding'. Mis-construed motives aside, here is my real FUNDAMENTAL issue with her post:

It falls along the lines of today's 10/21/07 Thomas Friedman editorial (another prescient and brilliant person, but i'll hold on the TF the fan club for now).

QUOTE ("NYT Thomas Friedman - Save the Planet: Vote Smart")
People often ask: I want to get greener, what should I do? New light bulbs? A hybrid? A solar roof? Well, all of those things are helpful. But actually, the greenest thing you can do is this: Choose the right leaders. It is so much more important to change your leaders than change your light bulbs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/opinion/...man&oref=slogin

The problem is that Jan's claim the problem 'transcends politics' is utterly wrong. It's EXACTLY wrong as the very opposite is true. The problem in fact has *become* politics. It is the next stage of the solution. A global problem that requires empowered leaders. We are past the discovery and oracle and influence phase.

I'm not sure that the 2000 Gore had public support to tackle the problem. In the ultimate irony, the 2008 Gore would have that support; primarily because of... Al Gore.

In what I consider a paraphrase of Racheal Carlson's most famous quote, Al Gore himself states "And when the people are not informed, they cannot hold government accountable when it is incompetent, corrupt, or both."

Anyway so here we are. We have our first choice for leader. In a well-informed Democracy, I consider it my duty to work hard to make that choice known. I'm proud to say that along with the people here I've done that.

I have no clue what somes next.

jharri1992 - October 22, 2007 01:37 AM (GMT)
He has not duty to run, perhaps. He DOES have a duty to tell us he is not running, as he did unequivcally and ummistably well prior to the 2004 election. I am VERY disappointed in Mr. Gore for leting our hopes and dreams, not to mention time, money and energy, die in vain. This is just ronchy conduct! Maybe my DOES should read DID. The clock has all but run ouu and Al Gore does not appear to be willing to reprise the role of John Elway. I am furious!

jharri1992 - October 22, 2007 01:59 AM (GMT)
I apologize for my poor editing and spelling in the previous entry. I am VERY disappointed in Gore. The author of this article is correct that he does not have a duty to run. But, he most certainly has a duty to tell us he is not running. He is allowing our hopes and dreams, our money, time and energy, to tiwst in the wind. This is terribly inconsiderate. Terribly. I am hurt and upset!

TNblue - October 22, 2007 02:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (jharri1992 @ Oct 21 2007, 07:37 PM)
He has not duty to run, perhaps.  He DOES have a duty to tell us he is not running, as he did unequivcally and ummistably well prior to the 2004 election.  I am VERY disappointed in Mr. Gore for leting our hopes and dreams, not to mention time, money and energy, die in vain.  This is just ronchy conduct! Maybe my DOES should read DID.  The clock has all but run ouu and Al Gore does not appear to be willing to reprise the role of John Elway.  I am furious!

But Jharri1992, he hasn't told us to stop yet. At least he hasn't told us in language that we can understand as unambiguous. I try to put myself in Al's shoes to get a sense of why he won't make it crystal clear. I can only come up with 2 reasons: 1) He really is on the fence and wants to keep the door open, & 2) He's using us.

I really prefer to think it's #1. I have no reason not to believe he's the real deal as far as a person who does the right thing. It's just that the waiting has gone on for years for some of us and the clock is ticking so loudly that it's making me very impatient. I need a hint. Maybe we're missing them, as in the Current video clips. I don't know know how to interpret anything any more and I most certainly don't trust the media, or polls, or Republicans, or Democrats....

I'm finding tiny reasons to hang in here. Stay with us awhile longer. :Y:

ReElectAlGore2008 - October 22, 2007 08:58 AM (GMT)
Arrogance

There was an article on Jerry Seinfeld that had a good definition of the word
The reporter was walking through NYC's Central Park w/Jerry
They were going to eat burgers in the boat house area...Jerry placed his order and looked for a seat to wait
While he did someone said, politely, in a suit, Mr. Seinfeld, could you please sign an autograph
Jerry said sure
And kept on walking, ignoring the pen in the mans hand and did not sign

Get the analogy? That to me is NOT Al Gore. Never was in the past, was it?

The only thing that makes sense, unless Al Gore is being rude, is that he is going independent 3rd party...I have never, ever seen anything like this
(to use Clintonian terms, its waffling, to use regular terms, its baffling)
yes-no-yes-no-yes-no-yes-no-yes-no(even though he has never indicated yes, by not saying no, he indicates yes).

Now, Mayor Mike is doing the same sort of thing, but he is doing it knowing he can wait til June08 and need not make any other statement yes or no til then,because he is not running dem/repub...

Therefore, only thing that makes any sort of common sense, IF we take Al Gore to be the man we think he is, polite, smart, generous, considerate of others, IS he is going to run w/ Bloomberg third party independent of politics (which is what he keeps telling us if you listen-he is sick of the political system-therefore he is going OUTSIDE the current (CURRENT) political system and doing it HIS WAY

Nothing else makes sense. You can call me crazy,nuts,loco,looney, daffy, plumb dumb, but that is my political guess, because otherwise, Al is rude and stupid, not considerate of others and not smart to what his cause needs.

Mike F - October 22, 2007 01:13 PM (GMT)
I know that all of us are frustrated now at Gore's silence, but let's not start thinking that the man is using us. I would expect such a tactic from Hillary, but not Gore. I think he is holding his cards close to his chest and is still in the game simply because he hasn't told the drafters to stop. Until he folds by telling the drafters to stop, he is still sitting at the poker table.

I'm waiting for one of three things to happen: Gore says stop; Gore says I'm in; or the primaries are over and Gore is not a candidate. Waiting is a pain, but that's what we have to do. In the meantime, it's business as usual - watch for polls, keep blogging, and keep asking the man to run. (I just sent him a letter with two pennies over the weekend.)

Keep the faith!




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