Title: Gore on Current.com
Description: Political topics by Al
Goracle_Fan - October 15, 2007 07:03 AM (GMT)
Current.com just re-launched and looky who's on it & what he's talkin' about...
Health CareConstitutionBringing Troops HomeHmmm... does that sound like climate change to anyone???
Me doesn't think so :rolleyes: :!: :clap: sounds more like a presidential candidate...
AlGoreFan - October 15, 2007 07:49 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Goracle_Fan @ Oct 15 2007, 01:03 AM) |
Current.com just re-launched and looky who's on it & what he's talkin' about...
Health Care Constitution Bringing Troops Home
Hmmm... does that sound like climate change to anyone???
Me doesn't think so :rolleyes: :!: :clap: sounds more like a presidential candidate... |
Promising indeed!
oleblueraider - October 15, 2007 10:21 AM (GMT)
OK THIS IS OFF THE FREAKING SCALE AS A "MIXED SIGNAL"? :clap: :laugh:
This is not what he ever hinted Current would ever do????
I mean really this goes straight to Citizen Kane or something?
Now I am really just as confused as everyone else! :good: :unsure: :o :blink: :wacko:
I give up, I have not got a clue?
I know I trust this man completely!
I would speculate that---heck, I would speculate almost anything but this just takes the cake out of specualtion and throws it totally up in the air!
I guarantee you one thing in November of 2008, I WILL DEMAND A PAPER WRITE IN BALLOT AND VOTE FOR AL GORE :good:
GreenMom - October 15, 2007 01:07 PM (GMT)
Wow! Sure sounds like someone is practicing to me! :) Thanks for the link.
tkdveg - October 15, 2007 01:27 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (GreenMom @ Oct 15 2007, 07:07 AM) |
| Wow! Sure sounds like someone is practicing to me! :) Thanks for the link. |
He's been "practicing" for this all his life! All that's left is to claim what's rightfully his! Good news, indeed! :clap:
IanOC - October 15, 2007 01:37 PM (GMT)
At the Emmy's last month, he said that the re-launch of Current.com would involve "reclaiming American democracy." This appears to be it.
Whether he runs or not, he is clearly going to be involved in creating a "conversation" not just about climate change, but political issues generally. Still, this move is clearly not geared towards putting an end to speculation about a potential run. Nor does Gore, contrary to the predictions of the pundit this weekend, appear to think he has transcended politics.
This is the most hopeful sign we have seen yet.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Goracle_Fan - October 15, 2007 02:44 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (oleblueraider @ Oct 15 2007, 04:21 AM) |
OK THIS IS OFF THE FREAKING SCALE AS A "MIXED SIGNAL"? :clap: :laugh:
This is not what he ever hinted Current would ever do???? |
The SFGate interview with Al and Joel Hyatt after the Emmy was very intriguing and I felt at the time something would be happening with the launch today. This could very well be a campaign run on Al's own terms that will turn politics of today on its head, and honestly would we really expect anything less from him?
tkdveg - October 15, 2007 02:48 PM (GMT)
Thanks for posting this - it's fabulous!
I love the informal setting, too! What an amazing man! :clap:
Interesting that this is one of the first things he's done since winning the Nobel. A good sign, in my opinion.
Questions - October 15, 2007 03:37 PM (GMT)
It obviously wasn't done in a studio- not because it looks informal but because of the lack of audio and video quality.
This does not necessarily point to a run for office. I know you don't want to hear that, neither do I.
But if people were concerned about equal time with the "30 Rock" potential appearance, imagine what the rabid right would do with appearances like this on his own network. They'd have a field day with it and once again, keep attention focused on the method of delivery rather than the message.
I think it more likely that this is a nudge to the current crop of candidates.
That's just my 2 cents. I'd love to be wrong. ;)
Goracle_Fan - October 15, 2007 03:49 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Questions @ Oct 15 2007, 09:37 AM) |
It obviously wasn't done in a studio- not because it looks informal but because of the lack of audio and video quality.
This does not necessarily point to a run for office. I know you don't want to hear that, neither do I.
But if people were concerned about equal time with the "30 Rock" potential appearance, imagine what the rabid right would do with appearances like this on his own network. They'd have a field day with it and once again, keep attention focused on the method of delivery rather than the message.
I think it more likely that this is a nudge to the current crop of candidates.
That's just my 2 cents. I'd love to be wrong. ;) |
Al is not going to run a campaign based on the rules of politics today, he is not going to play the game. The rabid right hates Al Gore no matter what he does and its not even worth debating how he should jump through their hoops.
He is above them and the only reason he is hated so is because he is feared so. We lower ourselves and Al when we consider what he or we should do based on the reactions from the right. If they react to these videos, its because they fear them... and believe me, they DO have reason to fear, because their regime is coming down and Al Gore will be the leader in charge of that.
Questions - October 15, 2007 04:41 PM (GMT)
"Al is not going to run a campaign based on the rules of politics today, he is not going to play the game. The rabid right hates Al Gore no matter what he does and its not even worth debating how he should jump through their hoops.
He is above them and the only reason he is hated so is because he is feared so. We lower ourselves and Al when we consider what he or we should do based on the reactions from the right. If they react to these videos, its because they fear them... and believe me, they DO have reason to fear, because their regime is coming down and Al Gore will be the leader in charge of that."
Goracle-Fan,
I don't disagree with what you said but I am well aware that the right controls the main stream media and what they do and would do with that platform.
The "rules" as dictated by the right should be thrown out as they are based on lies, propaganda, manipulation, and deceit.
But how much of the populace can tune in to Current or would?
If such appearances by Gore on Current got more people tuning in, that would be great and THAT would be a major threat to the right.
It does not, however, necessarily make for the best or only way to fight the battle against the right in a run for office, it's too early in the battle for honesty in the airwaves.
There has to be other means besides one new network and the MSM. I'm not saying that Gore couldn't or wouldn't use those other means- just that it's going to take a lot more than Current to battle the MSM.
earthmother - October 15, 2007 06:07 PM (GMT)
If this is the opening salvo, it is just the beginning. No Gore, won't only use Current TV to campaign. He will use many venues initially. Just read The Assault on Reason to understand the kind of campaign Gore would run and why he won't run a traditional campaign.
This is a very significant development, and we'll just have to watch and see where things go from here.
Goracle_Fan - October 15, 2007 06:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Questions @ Oct 15 2007, 10:41 AM) |
It does not, however, necessarily make for the best or only way to fight the battle against the right in a run for office, it's too early in the battle for honesty in the airwaves.
There has to be other means besides one new network and the MSM. I'm not saying that Gore couldn't or wouldn't use those other means- just that it's going to take a lot more than Current to battle the MSM. |
No one suggested he wouldn't use other ways, I mean come on this is the man who can write best sellers, make Oscar winning movies, win an Emmy for interactive TV, win a Nobel, and stage a 7 continent concert... now please, does this man not know the exact right thing to do? If we know this man at all, we know that he will know THE BEST way to do this. He knows what the media will do, he's already lived through that and risen far above it all.
And it's too early for honesty??? What????!!! Is this not what the American people are dying for???? Who cares what the pundits are saying... & if it takes us all hitting the streets and shouting it from the rooftops to silence the points the talking heads make, then so be it! I'm there!! Who's with me??!!
:clap: :football: :turtle: :puffgrl: :spidy: :spikey: :afro: :construction: :cop: :dance: :elvis: :french: :sport: :messy: :coolwink: :santa:
Texan for Gore - October 15, 2007 06:48 PM (GMT)
I'm with you Goracle fan. There is nothing that would make me happier right now than to see Al in the White House, paving the way for a restored Democracy and respected America. I would support Al Gore anyway I could to get him in the Oval Office. Things are sounding positive right now!!! :clap:
Questions - October 15, 2007 07:02 PM (GMT)
When I said it was to early for "honesty," I meant honesty from the main stream media- honest coverage, actual not-taken-out-of-context-quotes, a media that takes no sides.
Sorry I wasn't clear enough. We have a long battle ahead to get the public airwaves back. They do belong to us you know. These big corporations only rent them. :angry:
Do we need honesty in government? Heck YES! :D
gore for president - October 15, 2007 07:21 PM (GMT)
Al's Video's on Current TVThe URL should take you directly to Al's 3 video's on Current TV.
gore for president :clap: :good:
Goracle_Fan - October 15, 2007 07:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Questions @ Oct 15 2007, 01:02 PM) |
They do belong to us you know. These big corporations only rent them. :angry:
Do we need honesty in government? Heck YES! :D |
Amen to that!! Power to the People! :D :clap: :laugh:
IanOC - October 15, 2007 10:39 PM (GMT)
Aside from this thread, and a diary at DailyKos, about these three quasi-campaign videos, I haven't read or heard anything else about this. What the hell is going on? I hope Al isn't being coy, or I am going to be really pissed off. After almost resigning myself to the fact that Gore has said no to the presidential race (and thus left victory in the hands of Hillary Clinton), he responds obliquely to the quetions on Friday from the press with this. What is going on? What is Gore up to? What do you all think? Why isn't there a media blitz yet? Will he announce on the 17th?
valadon245 - October 15, 2007 11:11 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (oleblueraider @ Oct 15 2007, 04:21 AM) |
I guarantee you one thing in November of 2008, I WILL DEMAND A PAPER WRITE IN BALLOT AND VOTE FOR AL GORE :good: |
I have the same intention - let's hear it for paper ballots! :clap: :laugh:
IanOC - October 15, 2007 11:16 PM (GMT)
I just thought I'd mention that Current.Com has now put up a link to the DailyKos discussion of Gore's videos on Current.com. Hmmm...
valadon245 - October 15, 2007 11:27 PM (GMT)
SilverApples - October 16, 2007 01:17 AM (GMT)
As usual he really nails it. A master statesman. We need this man in the White House ASAP.
earthmother - October 16, 2007 01:26 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (IanOC @ Oct 15 2007, 11:16 PM) |
| I just thought I'd mention that Current.Com has now put up a link to the DailyKos discussion of Gore's videos on Current.com. Hmmm... |
Can someone post a link to that on Current.com? I know the dailyKos link, but I don't see it on Current.com. Was it posted by Currrent.com or by a user at Current.com?
IanOC - October 16, 2007 01:50 AM (GMT)
here, for example:
http://www.current.com/items/84986481_get_the_troops_homeThe link is on the right under "Related."
IanOC - October 16, 2007 02:19 AM (GMT)
The other interesting thing is that when you go to the videos there are links to "Al Gore" and "Politics." So the claim of some of the MSM blabbermouths that Gore has now "transcended politics" (a feat which is neither possible nor desirable) is just more fantastic BS.
valadon245 - October 16, 2007 02:43 AM (GMT)
earnAlGore - October 16, 2007 02:58 AM (GMT)
This is Great!
Democratic undergroud is A BUZZ... here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...ess=132x3611362 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
TNblue - October 16, 2007 03:04 AM (GMT)
It seems that things are beginning to come together.
earnAlGore - October 16, 2007 03:11 AM (GMT)
A quote from DU:
'It's almost like he is running outside the system.'
AlGoreFan - October 16, 2007 03:12 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (earthmother @ Oct 15 2007, 07:26 PM) |
| QUOTE (IanOC @ Oct 15 2007, 11:16 PM) | | I just thought I'd mention that Current.Com has now put up a link to the DailyKos discussion of Gore's videos on Current.com. Hmmm... |
Can someone post a link to that on Current.com? I know the dailyKos link, but I don't see it on Current.com. Was it posted by Currrent.com or by a user at Current.com?
|
Go to the front page of
http://www.current.comWhere it says "current picks" in large black letters at the top, click on "currently popular"
Click on the link to "DailyKos community reacts to Al's Current.com videos"
That page has the current.com discussion and at the top is a link to
http://dailykos.com/story/2007/10/15/11302/103
earthmother - October 16, 2007 03:18 AM (GMT)
GreenMom - October 16, 2007 03:25 AM (GMT)
I've read some of those posts at DU. This is really exciting!
ReElectAlGore2008 - October 16, 2007 03:52 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (earnAlGore @ Oct 15 2007, 11:11 PM) |
A quote from DU: 'It's almost like he is running outside the system.' |
3rd party
That is outside the system
And one can keep doing things like this all the way til June08
Never announcing or not announcing
(one caveat-if he declares as a democrat-he would have to totally give up any link to current (except for blind trust), wouldn't he?
That is why outside the system, 3rd party is where every single indication is headed
AlGoreFan - October 16, 2007 03:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Oct 15 2007, 09:52 PM) |
| QUOTE (earnAlGore @ Oct 15 2007, 11:11 PM) | A quote from DU: 'It's almost like he is running outside the system.' |
3rd party
That is outside the system
And one can keep doing things like this all the way til June08 Never announcing or not announcing
(one caveat-if he declares as a democrat-he would have to totally give up any link to current (except for blind trust), wouldn't he?
That is why outside the system, 3rd party is where every single indication is headed
|
ReElectAlGore2008 - October 16, 2007 04:47 AM (GMT)
GWB stole by repeating certain things over and over ya know.
What better way to run a different campaign than not bother with either of the 2 corrupt parties that got us there in the first place?
(Like one of the biggest fallacies of the crazy RonPaul campaign is that he has been in office for a decade and done nothing whatsoever to change anything during that time)
Why bother starting a meal with stinky water, when one can easily purify the water by not using the spoiled rancid supply "they" want you to use?
In independence, there is freedom.
Freedom to win by picking up voters sick of the system
Left/right/wherever
After all, in the privacy of a fairly counted voting booth, who GAS which person votes for ya, long as ya get da votes!
Why insult 1/2 the people if you can get their vote by talking TO THEM, not having some party loudmouth(like Goofy Grin TerryMcAuliffe spew the Hillary lines?)
Gore can run w/o any loudmouth people at all.
Just speaking directly to you and me. That's all that is needed. Everything else is a distraction. We want it filterless. Spinless.
Because spin is what caused 2000 to happen without most people even knowing what happened.
(i.e.-the exit polls were not wrong in the first place. Spin said they were...
Al Gore WON all 3 debates, spin said he didn't...Sighhhhhh)
Spin has ruined America
I do not understand why some here are so enraptured by the party that is about to nominate Hillary Rodham Clinton Bush? The party that did nothing to help Al Gore in 2000 recount. They turned their back on Al Gore, making the party meaningless.
They refused to call him in 2004. Making the party meaningless. This party has helped to authorize 3x now the Patriot act and its sequels. The war. Everything else.
I thought we wanted Al Gore to win. (not democrat.)
But Al Gore himself.
Isn't that what we are fighting for?
You cannot change the system w/o fighting for it.
I want all the people who want change in the system to join together
The American-Constitutionalists, who believe in the system that used to be in place.
Questions - October 16, 2007 04:54 AM (GMT)
"I guarantee you one thing in November of 2008, I WILL DEMAND A PAPER WRITE IN BALLOT AND VOTE FOR AL GORE"
Be very careful here. Know your states laws on paper ballots. Sometimes if the main system is one of those awful touch screens, you may be able to vote on a paper ballot instead but it may be treated as provisional and not counted "unless the race is close." Which really means not counted at all.
The best thing to do is get to your state legislators and demand paper ballots like the kind used on optical scan and rigorous auditing of the computer count of those ballots.
Hand counting would be best of all and I think this country is at the point where it has got to stop trying to do all its voting at one time. I think in a presidential election year , the ballots should be hand counted and the races on the ballot limited to federal races. I'd prefer to see everything hand counted but the election officials would go ballistic. They have been so compromised by corporations selling voting machines.
Also make the presidential election day a national holiday so people can volunteer to count ballots.
IanOC - October 16, 2007 05:15 AM (GMT)
AlGoreFan - October 16, 2007 05:43 AM (GMT)
oh you mean this (with my red marker added):

oh probably nothing........ :clap: :laugh:
Wayne in WA State - October 16, 2007 05:57 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (AlGoreFan @ Oct 15 2007, 11:43 PM) |
oh you mean this (with my red marker added):  oh probably nothing........ :clap: :laugh: |
Yep, probably just a figment of our imagination :blink:
Or Not! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Wayne in WA State - October 16, 2007 06:16 AM (GMT)
As to why I remain a devoted Democrat in spite of all our problems, why not ask the same question of Al Gore?
I can name a few reasons. For one, I just don't think a new party would be any better. We have the same people, the same human nature, the same possibility to fall short. If another party got big enough to actually win, how would it be less corrupt or less compromised? I don't think we can usually fix anything by leaving. If people like us left America that would just be surrender to me, and mean we are letting the wingnuts have their way. Not gonna do it -- wouldn't be prudent at this juncture. :spikey:
The reality is that the US has a winner-take-all system, an electoral college. We don't have a parliament and I don't expect we ever will. The reality is that Ralph Nader's 3rd party run in 2000 made the election close enough for Bush and the Republicans to steal the White House from President Gore. I don't plan on getting over that, ... ever. :spikey:
In recent months Al Gore has sent out letters soliciting donations for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and the Democratic National Committee. He was a Democratic Congressman, a Democratic Senator, a Democratic Vice-President, and a Democratic Presidential Nominee. Is their ANY evidence that Al Gore is not a loyal and devoted Democrat? Yes, loyalty has it's limits and can be carried too far; but in general I think loyalty is a fine and perhaps underrated quality. I was loyal to Al Gore when he was down and many people mocked him, and I will be proud to be a loyal supporter of Al Gore when he becomes our next Democratic President. :spikey: