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GSC Admin - August 15, 2004 09:42 PM (GMT)
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The Electoral College's crumbling case
Steve Chapman

Published August 15, 2004

In the last days of the 2000 presidential campaign, the prospect loomed that one candidate would win the popular vote but lose the Electoral College, and some people were ready. "One thing we don't do is roll over," said a campaign aide. "We fight." The plan was a massive blitz urging members of the Electoral College to vote with the will of the majority. That was what Republicans had in mind if George W. Bush won with the people but lost the presidency.

Things didn't turn out quite that way. But Republicans were onto something that only later dawned on Democrats: There is something wrong with a system that lets the 2nd place vote-getter claim victory.

As Al Gore jokes, "You win some, you lose some. And then there's that little-known third category." Bush was the first president since 1888 to lose the popular vote. That's one big reason why he entered office with only 51 percent of Americans considering his victory legitimate.

The 36-day fight over Florida was just a symptom of the underlying problem. "If we selected presidents like we select governors, senators, representatives, and virtually every elected official in the United States, Al Gore would have been elected president--no matter which chads were counted in Florida," notes George C. Edwards III in his new book, "Why the Electoral College Is Bad for America."

But we don't select presidents by a simple vote of the people. We conduct elections in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, and typically award candidates electoral votes only if they win an entire state. The overall popular vote is irrelevant. All that counts is the Electoral College, in which each state gets as many votes as it has members of Congress.

I wrote in defense of the Electoral College in 2000, but Edwards, a political scientist at Texas A&M University, has forced me to reconsider. And upon reconsidering, I think the critics have the better of the argument.

The rationales for the status quo don't stand up well to scrutiny. One is that we shouldn't mutilate the framers' sacred design. But they had no real clue what they were doing.

Stanford historian Jack Rakove, the premier scholar of the Constitutional Convention, describes the Electoral College as a "hastily sketched system" that "was obsolete within a bare decade of its inauguration." The founders rejected direct election only because they thought voters would know very little about the candidates--one of many expectations that proved wrong.

Another claim is that this system upholds federalism and decentralization. In fact, no state government would find itself weaker without the Electoral College, because it confers no meaningful authority on state governments.

Nor does it protect small states, which are granted proportionally more votes than large ones. Residents of Delaware and Idaho have no discernible common interests merely because they happen to live in small states. New York and Texas are both big states but, trust me, they don't feel a deep and special bond because of that. Americans vote on the basis of ideology, religion, race, economic concerns and the personal appeal of the candidates, not on some hazy "state" interest.

Most small states, in fact, get zero attention. During the 2000 general election campaign, says Edwards, only six of the 17 smallest states were visited by either presidential candidate. Many bigger ones (like Illinois) also got shortchanged--and are getting similar treatment this year.

Why? Because of the Electoral College. John Kerry will get millions of votes in Texas, but none of its electoral votes. No matter what Kerry does in California, he's almost guaranteed its electoral votes. Neither he nor President Bush has any incentive to waste much time in those places. They focus instead on the few states where the outcome is in doubt. Under a direct election, by contrast, candidates would go where the votes are--giving most Americans actual exposure to the campaign.

If the Electoral College didn't exist, no one would invent it. It violates the central principle of our election system--that every vote should count equally and that victory should go to the person with the most votes. And it produces no obvious compensating benefit.

We keep the Electoral College only because it doesn't frustrate the will of the majority very often. If it did, we would get rid of it.

But if the will of the majority is what truly matters, we shouldn't elect the president under a system whose only function is to periodically rise up and deny the people their choice. After 2000, Democrats understand that. Republicans might want to consider a change before they get their own hard lesson.

ErinB - August 15, 2004 09:52 PM (GMT)
If things had gone differently and Gore won the electoral college and Bush the popular vote, the electoral college just might be gone now. They were all ready to fight it...but of course, things went their way.
Many have tried to abolish it in our history but no one has come close. It stays there in testament to John Adams and the Federalists! They did not want the will of the people to be too closely adhered to.

IGotMailYAY - August 16, 2004 02:16 PM (GMT)
Do away with the electral college, then say goodbye to who the candidates put on their campain stops today. No more will there be stops in small to middle size population centers. Say hello to campain stops where there are large concentrations of people. NYC, Chicago, LA are the first three that will receive 24 hour covereage.

Say goodbye to stops in the rest of the midwest or west. Iowa, where is that?

As an example, why go to North or South Dakota, when you can go to Atlanta and the metro area and be infront of more than twice the number of people?

Dning away with the Electoral College is a childish, knee-jerk reaction. The whole political landscape would change in this country. I am not convinced it would be for the better.

I do not want a president chosen by a majority of the people in just a handful of states.

The Electoral college shows that the majority of states will choose a president. Without it, the major population centers will choose a president. :bad:

ErinB - August 16, 2004 03:47 PM (GMT)
One person + one vote= Democracy

Why should one person's vote not count just because they live in a city? Everyone's vote should count the same.

I know you would be singing the exact opposite tune if the election had gone the other way, no doubt about that.

IGotMailYAY - August 17, 2004 12:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ErinB @ Aug 16 2004, 09:47 AM)
One person + one vote= Democracy

Why should one person's vote not count just because they live in a city? Everyone's vote should count the same.

I know you would be singing the exact opposite tune if the election had gone the other way, no doubt about that.

Let me answer your question this way, why should one person's vote not count because they don't live in the city?

The Electoral College levels out the differences in population.

Historically, cities are more liberal than people who don't live in them. Makes sense, people who are more independent minded would want to strike out on their own without gov't interference.

Next time your try and know someone, don't. It doesn't work as a method of debate. Whatever positions you are supporting are immediatly ceded by doing so. :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

ErinB - August 17, 2004 03:54 PM (GMT)
Who says I was bothering to debate you. Just stating a fact.

IGotMailYAY - August 17, 2004 06:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ErinB @ Aug 17 2004, 09:54 AM)
Who says I was bothering to debate you. Just stating a fact.

Uh......never said you were debating me. :unsure:

What I was pointing out was your mistake of saying you knew I "would be singing the exact opposite tune if the election had gone the other way, no doubt about that. "

You don't know me, so what facts are you drawing from? :?: :?: :?:

JamesAquila - August 17, 2004 08:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (IGotMailYAY @ Aug 17 2004, 02:00 PM)
QUOTE (ErinB @ Aug 17 2004, 09:54 AM)
Who says I was bothering to debate you. Just stating a fact.

Uh......never said you were debating me. :unsure:

What I was pointing out was your mistake of saying you knew I "would be singing the exact opposite tune if the election had gone the other way, no doubt about that. "

You don't know me, so what facts are you drawing from? :?: :?: :?:

The fact that your a Republican Nazi drone and the RNC was planning a major campaign in 2000 (as reported by the Rupert Murdock's NY Post) to overturn the electoral college is Gore won it but not the popular vote.

IGotMailYAY - August 18, 2004 07:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JamesAquila @ Aug 17 2004, 02:29 PM)
QUOTE (IGotMailYAY @ Aug 17 2004, 02:00 PM)
QUOTE (ErinB @ Aug 17 2004, 09:54 AM)
Who says I was bothering to debate you. Just stating a fact.

Uh......never said you were debating me. :unsure:

What I was pointing out was your mistake of saying you knew I "would be singing the exact opposite tune if the election had gone the other way, no doubt about that. "

You don't know me, so what facts are you drawing from? :?: :?: :?:

The fact that your a Republican Nazi drone and the RNC was planning a major campaign in 2000 (as reported by the Rupert Murdock's NY Post) to overturn the electoral college is Gore won it but not the popular vote.

Your tag line in interesting. Why would you call your candidates by a name that indicates that they have to pay for sex? :?:

JamesAquila - August 18, 2004 10:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (IGotMailYAY @ Aug 18 2004, 03:06 PM)
Your tag line in interesting. Why would you call your candidates by a name that indicates that they have to pay for sex? :?:

Like all GOP Nazi drones you're pre-occupied with sex. Most likely cause you're not getting any and are jealous of Dems who are.

IGotMailYAY - August 19, 2004 04:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (JamesAquila @ Aug 18 2004, 04:30 PM)
QUOTE (IGotMailYAY @ Aug 18 2004, 03:06 PM)
Your tag line in interesting.  Why would you call your candidates by a name that indicates that they have to pay for sex?   :?:

Like all GOP Nazi drones you're pre-occupied with sex. Most likely cause you're not getting any and are jealous of Dems who are.

Eating, sleeping, and sex. Three basic requirements of men. Always thinking about one or all of them. :clap:

Hell yeah, I am jealous if someone else is getting some action when I am not! If you say otherwise, you are lying!

But what does this have to do with the Electoral College? Now I remember, you feel like the Electoral college is.........you. :D




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