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Title: Your Tennessee Home
Description: Energy Hog


gclaypool - April 1, 2007 12:19 AM (GMT)
Dear Al, I love the environmental message that you have been supporting, and showing at theaters and on television. However, I am very distressed to read the email that has been going around about your energy burning hog of house in Tennessee that is yours, verses the energy savings home of the other political figure hailing from Texas. I couldn't initially believe this, however the story has been authenicated. I like you as a person and a leader, but you need to understand what the meaning of hypocracy is. Show the public that your heart is in the right place and teardown this building, even if it is possibly historical. Who cares, all I want is a honest up front face put on this issue.
Regards and good luck

RussBLib - April 1, 2007 03:27 AM (GMT)
Crap comes in all shapes and sizes these days, but it still stinks.

AlGoreFan - April 1, 2007 06:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (gclaypool @ Mar 31 2007, 06:19 PM)
Dear Al, ... you need to understand what the meaning of hypocracy is...

With respect to the widely-publicised claims that Al Gore is somehow an energy hog and thus a hypocrite for calling attention to the global climate crisis:

1. The numbers quoted by the so-called think tank are incorrect and/or inappropriately used

The "average" home electricity use quoted by TCPR is a national average that includes apartments and mobile homes. In Gore's climatic zone, the East South Central (Dept. of Energy PDF), the average is much higher, thanks to hot, humid summers and cold winters. Within that zone, Gore's usage is three (not 20) times average, and his per-square-foot usage is squarely average.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/2/28/155124/075

2. His family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

3. Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint. Gore’s office explains:

What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/

"including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch"

The Switch Is On

TVA and participating local public power companies, working with input from the environmental community, have created a program called Green Power Switch® to produce electricity from renewable sources and add it to the Tennessee Valley’s power mix

http://www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch/

How to Plug In

Making the Green Power Switch® is as easy as flipping a light switch. You can buy green power in 150-kilowatt-hour blocks (about 12 percent of a typical household’s monthly use). Each block you buy will add $4 to your monthly power bill, and you can buy just one block or as many as you like. The green power you pay for will be added to TVA’s electric system as part of the Valley’s total power mix.

Why does green power cost more? Because although renewable resources like sunlight and wind are free, the technology for capturing their energy is still more expensive than traditional power generation methods. By choosing to pay a little more for Green Power Switch, you help advance the technology and increase the amount of electricity generated from cleaner sources. The dollars from every block of green power you buy go directly back into Green Power Switch.

When you fill out the Green Power Switch enrollment form, you’ll also receive the free energy right home evaluation form. The energy right program is a cooperative effort between your local public power distributor and TVA that helps consumers make their homes more energy-efficient. It will provide you with a customized analysis of your home electricity use and detailed suggestions for potential savings.

http://www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch/green_resid.htm

Gore purchased 108 blocks of "green power" for each of the past three months, according to a summary of the bills.

That's a total of $432 a month Gore paid extra for solar or other renewable energy sources.

The green power Gore purchased in those three months is equivalent to recycling 2.48 million aluminum cans or 286,092 pounds of newspaper, according to comparison figures on NES' Web site....

"Every family has a different carbon footprint," said Kalee Krider, a spokeswoman for Gore. The Gores' 10,000-square-foot house on Lynnwood Boulevard has a large one.

The Green Power Switch program isn't all that Gore and his wife, Tipper, are doing, Krider said.

They use compact fluorescent light bulbs and are in the midst of a renovation project that includes having solar panels installed on their home to reduce fossil fuel consumption, she said.

Their car? A Lexis hybrid SUV.

"They, of course, also do the carbon emissions offset," she said.

That means figuring out how much carbon is emitted from home power use, and vehicle and plane travel, then paying for projects that will offset that with use of renewable energy, such as solar power...."

4.The Gore house is not merely a home, it's also a workplace, they have two offices in it plus a guest house so the idea that Gore himself uses all that energy is inaccurate. They also have security measures which other people do not need, obviously. Comparing the Gore house to an average US home is like comparing the company HQ to a single office.

Or why doesn't this organization compare Cheney's house to an average US home? Cheney's elecricity bill is ~$180,000 year. But that's the vice presidential mansion so it's understandable. But if Gore has $16,000 - partly because he pays more for green power - that's not OK?

The Gores are not an average family. He's an ex-VP with special security arrangements, and has live-in security staff. He and his wife both work on their many business and charitable undertakings out of their house, so they have space for offices and office staff. All that would be tough to cram in an average size house.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/2/28/155124/075

Nevertheless the per capita energy usage in the Gore house is not bigger than in an average house, except that Gore pays for green energy which most Americans don't do. The utility said that the Gore house does not consume more than other similar houses in the area, and in fact there are smaller houses which consume even more.

Check out the Olbermman video here
http://www.algore.org/node/323

5. Gore does not tell people to give up whatever lifestyle they have but to reduce their carbon footprint which can be done in many different ways including the way Gore does it. It's not the amount of energy you use but how much carbon emission you are responsible for.

If Gore uses green energy and pays for offsets for the part that comes from fossil fuels how does that make him a hypocrite? That's what he has been advocating all along. Gore's carbon footprint is zero.

Here's some help understanding carbon footprint and carbon offsets:

http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeact...boncalculator/

http://www.nativeenergy.com/

Gore uses Native Energy himself.
His homes, both of his businesses are carbon neutral. The movie and book were carbon neutral, as well.

Here's a column that should help you further:

Chilling out Gore
Exposé that the “Inconvenient Truth” man has an inconvenient lifestyle? Well not quite

http://www.mytown.ca/ev.php?URL_ID=118703&...load=1174338346

Hours after Gore received his Academy Award for the documentary, “An Inconvenient Truth,” the ambush attack was launched. Kristin Hall, uncritical news hen for the AP, breathlessly reported that “A conservative group” calling itself the “Tennessee Center for Policy Research” reported that Gore’s home energy use was ten times that of a “typical Nashville household.” The story goes on to claim that Gore used 221,000 kilowatt hours in 2006, and that the group knew this because they obtained his energy use documents from the utility, Nashville Electric Service. You have to go near the bottom to find it, but the story states, “But company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never gave it any information.” AP claimed to have reviewed the bills and came up with an energy use figure some 15% lower, but it’s evident that unlike the “Center,” AP remembered to factor in the surcharge that the utility charges for energy use above about a thousand kilowatts a month.

It’s pretty unlikely that the “Tennessee Center for Policy Research” was interested in any niceties like finding out how much energy Gore actually used, or where the energy came from, or–and this was the main thing they were clucking indignantly about–if he had a large carbon footprint or not.

The “Center” appears to be one of those “two-right-wing-A-Holes-with-a-website” kind of things that the well-funded far right likes to use to pepper the public discourse with falsely authoritative sources. According to an unnamed Usenet source, “Tennessee Center for Policy Research is run by a 27 year old Bush Cheerleader who loves Bush's Wars, Jason Drew Johnson. The Center lists a post office box number as its address which makes sense since occupancy costs were $450 for the year. The IRS requires 501©(3)s to disclose the names of board members and officers which the Center fails to do. The 990 is signed by Jason A. Johnson who presumably is related to Drew Johnson, listed as the Center's president on the website. Total salary expense for 2005 is $52,213. Despite a tight budget, the Center's managed to spend $8,155 on meals and travel. Marketing expense is $5,934 but no money was spent on research.” Including, apparently, looking up utility bills, which are public records. The site itself is devoted to debunking global warming, and offering “free market solutions,” presumably to free market problems. I looked over the list of “scholars” they had, presumably in the hope people would think they had something to do with the site, and none of them were in the fields of climatology or energy use.

So the whole news story came from a false-front “think tank” that couldn’t even be bothered with getting its information first-hand, or capable of giving it a fair review if they had.

Every day, the AP dismisses such “news flashes” from nobody crackpots as a waste of their time. But this one was about Gore, and would sell newspapers. So they went with it.

Gore’s home energy use (which has grown to twenty times the average household in the right wing echo chamber of Faux News, Drudge and Free Republic) somehow escaped the keen scrutiny of the media. If they had bothered checking, as I did, they would have learned a few things that demonstrate that not only is Gore’s energy use reasonable for his needs, but that his carbon footprint–that thing the right wingers are supposedly upset about–is very much less.

First, there’s his “household”. It consists of four structures, not one, and has a cumulative square footage that is 15 times that of a regular single family home. (The average Nashville household has a pretty good chance of living in an apartment, which is smaller and more energy efficient than a stand-alone house, too). One of those structures is for Gore’s secret service detail, who are on duty 24 hours a day. Another is for his non-profit foundation. Most average households don’t have the energy demands of the secret service or a foundation to deal with.

Despite all this, Gore spent less per square foot on his “household” than the average Nashvillian did.

But it doesn’t stop there. A lot of Gore’s energy bill went toward premium pricing on green energy sources or offsets. A premium that worked out to 4 times the rate per kilowatt the utility normally charged. According to Gore’s office, this accounted for roughly half his energy usage. So, in fact, his actual energy consumption in terms of CO2 releases may have been three times that of the average household in Nashville, despite the fact that it was four buildings with fifteen times the area.

There were a couple of other factors. First, there was the fact that Gore bought a large, wasteful spread and had been making it more and more energy efficient as construction began the year before to remodel the place into a more energy efficient place. Gore intends for it to be a model to show what can be done with existing structures. Even as the “high electric bill” ambush attack was launched, Gore was having solar panels installed.

A lot of right wingers were demanding that Gore move into a small house. A generous size might be 1,000 square feet, in their estimation. But they quickly dried up and blew away when I asked if they wanted to make it a government policy that everyone must live in a small house. Apparently it’s the old Republican situation in which they like to demand that others live up to rules that they themselves have no intention of observing. Energy conservation, like morals, like taxes and jail time, are for the little people – and traitors to their class.

Speaking of which the Wall Street Journal online weighed in on all this. They spent some time sputtering about the inequity of “energy offsets,” oblivious to the fact that they insisted on such offsets as a compromise in order to cut back on their own waste and pollution. They had more money than will to conserve, and didn’t mind paying to sustain their lifestyle. But now the Wall Street Journal decided the best way to discredit Gore way was by waging class warfare against the rich. For those who want a good laugh, the article is here.

The rich white trash were appalled at the fact that Gore spent $500 a month to heat his pool. Nobody is quite sure where the rich white trash got this particular “fact.” Maybe, living up in New York and Connecticut and Rhode Island, they asked one another, “Well, how much do you spend to heat your pool?” and came up with a consensus answer.

There’s just one problem. Gore doesn’t live in Connecticut or Rhode Island. He lives in Tennessee. And, as with most of the American south, his energy bills are modest in the winter – often as low was $300 a month – and soar during the summer. Not surprising, since the south enjoys mild winters and is unfit for human life the rest of the year. It costs a lot more to stay cool in the summer than it does to get warm in the winter. And nobody spends $500 a month to warm a pool in Tennessee. Nobody. Not even Al Gore. The whole story was nothing more than another right wing lie by the Wall Street Journal editorial board.

So, once again, the right wing tries to get its way with lies and smears.

But this isn’t 1998. People know they are liars and smear artists these days, and there are a lot of us prepared to show their lies and smears for what they are.

And, like the “Kerry-hates-soldiers” smear last fall, or the “Pelosi-and-the-757" a few weeks ago, this smear blew up in the right wing’s lying faces.

In the meantime, they have to ignore the fact that their hero, Ann Coulter, just called John Edwards a “******” and pretend they hardly even know who Coulter is.

The morality of the right is a rare and amazing creature, isn’t it?

AlGoreFan - April 1, 2007 06:51 AM (GMT)
BTW, they counted all the energy usage on Gore's property yet on Dubby's they only counted one of several buildings etc.

Wayne in WA State - April 1, 2007 07:00 AM (GMT)
For those who don't like hypocrisy: learn some basic truth about George W. Bush

"If we're an arrogant nation, they'll resent us; if we're a humble nation, but strong, they'll welcome us. And our nation stands alone right now in terms of power, and that's why we've got to be humble, and yet project strength in a way that promotes freedom."
George W. Bush - October 12th 2000

Yes, this man who believes he is above the law and above the constitution, who has declared his belief that he can imprison and torture anyone indefinitely without trial, who has granted himself the power to attack another nation not in self-defense but on the basis of some insane doctrine of 'pre-emptive' war that violates the fundamental basis of international law, promised America a "humble" foreign policy. :rules:

devildog2033 - April 1, 2007 01:10 PM (GMT)
Instead of all the links and quotes, shutting these a-holes down is pretty simple. It's a matter of "Consumption VS. Emission". Gore doesn't care about "Consumption" per-se, rather than the after effects of "Emission".

So he spends more and uses more energy than a mobile home. So what?

His efforts lead to less cO2 emissions- which is the focus of his efforts.


I F*CKING HATE THESE RIGHT WING NEO-CON DETRACTIONISTS!!!!!!!!!!!









Now, where's the nekkid ladies?

al001 - April 1, 2007 05:17 PM (GMT)
I've been reading mostly for a while now because you guys were doing such a good job of expressing all the needed points of the subjects being raised. But I had to add in when I saw this one by AlGoreFan. Very nice job. You covered it perfectly and with great passion. :good:

I would also like to include that as EM stated in another posting "Gore's is an old family home and Bush's was newly built." Much more can easily be done in the new area than in the refurbishing of an old historical landmark. Yea, gcalypool I said historical but before you ask Al to tear down his I ask you, would you tear down yours?

Let's also not forget that Bush's is a part time home and while it has nothing to do with energy consumption or carbon emissions, the way Bush got the money to build this energy efficient part time home is interesting. The money came from the 14 million dollars his got for his $600,000 worth of stock in the Texas Rangers. Nice trick for those who can do it. Even better than getting the money to buy the stock from his daddy's middle eastern friends for his share in a failing oil company he started.

Again, Nice job AlGoreFan.

Wayne in WA State - April 2, 2007 05:05 AM (GMT)
So Bush has one building on his compound that is energy efficient; A building built with dirty oil money and money from taxpaying Texans who paid for the Rangers ballpark. Meanwhile he is the worst President for our environment in history. :bad:

Most of us can't afford to tear down our houses and build new. A more realistic example would be to follow Al Gore and work on improving the efficiency of our existing housing and sacrificing what we can afford, to buy electricity from wind and solar power sources that don't contribute to global warming whatsoever. Al and Tipper Gore, and the rest of us can use as much clean energy as we want without contributing to the problem. By purchasing green energy we are building the solution. :good:

earthmother - April 3, 2007 01:41 AM (GMT)
I was prepared to respond to this, but I'm glad to see I'm not needed . . .

Keep up the great work, guys! :good:

thisplanet - March 25, 2008 11:49 AM (GMT)
It just never stops does it? Here it is surfacing again. A friend of mine just had to send me the Glass Houses post from March of 2007 on snopes.

I am more convinced than ever that I have figured out why so many people still have to discredit Al Gore even 8 years after the election. It is because they are sore losers. Yeh, I said losers. Bush made us all losers when he took office and the sorry misguided souls that voted for him want to keep grinding Gore down to nothing. That is the only way they can see that sorry excuse for a president being better than Gore, justifying their regretful choice.

Wait a minute...
just a few more seconds...
Yep, I'm right, I checked it on Snopes.

I have been going round and round with him and of course I know that he is never going to do the hard work of getting to the truth. The digging and digging tracking down the trail of lies that has so many Americans basing their misguided trust and belief in Bush just because they have been spoiled by a mountain of lies about Gore, is not an easy task.

I think the most upsetting thing is that Al Gore is the most impressive and important man to come along in my life time and he has been robbed of the opportunity to be the exact president this country needs at this point in history. And instead, for the last 8 years we have been stuck with the worst president I have known in my life time.


But once again he sent me the URL for snopes and that article and this is my reply:

First of all, who the hell are Barbara and David P. Mikkelson? Or do you even care? What makes you think they did anything more than gather pro Bush info and just enough crap to smear Gore? You don't get it yet do you, one source and done is foolish. If you put your trust in sources like "snopes" and don't read any further, you're only going to be poorly informed.

What seems to be so true for many people is that once they find the one thing that they agree with, they are very happy to say, "See, here is the proof. Here is the truth."

Let's find out if you fit in to that category. The link I am providing does a much better job discussing this very subject that you are parading as proof of Gore's hypocrisy. It has other supporting links in the discussion, but that would mean you would have to go there too and have to read even more. My impression is that you won't follow the threads to understand what is really going on, because you are quite satisfied that snopes has provided you with the definitive proof and that is much easier than digging and digging. I went to your link and looked at what you sent even though I already understood what was really going on, and even though I did not want to have to explain something to you that I already knew you would not want to hear, or understand.

Read the discussion at:
http://z8.invisionfree.com/Al_Gore_Support...?showtopic=6170

Then when you are finished with that you can get educated even further about the lies that so many have come to believe.

http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/goretruth.html

Now I understand after all that this is a "support center", but I have done my own digging on the internet and have tracked down article by article following a trail of newspapers playing the game of embellishment on top of embellishment till I finally got to the original events for several of these myths. But why should you do that? You're happy thinking lies are the truth. Some of what I saw made my stomach turn. When the kids in a high school that Gore spoke at put an article in their school newspaper demanding that the newspaper that posted the lies correct what they had printed about Gore's talk, the newspaper continued with the same crap. Then the bullshit grew from newspaper to newspaper to TV news networks. That is the typical scenario for many of the myths. And what really is sickening about it is that people like you are sucked in hook line and sinker. What is hook line and sinker? It is you sending me that house bullshit like it was some stone Moses carried down from Mt. Sinai because it is on SNOPES!




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