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Title: Support for White House Bid Eludes All But a Few


earthmother - December 8, 2006 06:49 PM (GMT)
NYTimes.com

December 7, 2006
Support for White House Bid Eludes All But a Few, Polls Show
By Marie Horrigan

With no incumbent president or vice president considering a run, the 2008 presidential race is described as one of the most wide-open in years. But two new polls indicate that at this early point in the race, only a few candidates in either party enjoy significant support.

The surveys, released separately Thursday by Fox News and the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion, both showed New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York with a more than 2-to-1 lead over the rest of the Democratic field.

Clinton was supported by 33 percent of respondents in both surveys. Her closest competition comes from three people who, like her, have not officially declared their intentions: 2000 presidential nominee Al Gore, freshman Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.

Obama was backed by 12 percent of respondents in both surveys. Gore was just ahead of him in the Marist poll, but trailed Obama by 1 percentage point in the Fox News poll, conducted by Opinion Dynamics.

Edwards, the Democrats’ 2004 vice presidential nominee, trailed Gore and Obama in the Fox News poll, where he registered 8 percent. However, he was tied with Gore in the Marist poll.

The remaining Democrats were mired in single digits in both polls. That group included 2004 presidential nominee, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, and the two declared candidates in the race, Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh.

Larry Shiman, a vice president at Opinion Dynamics, told CQPolitics.com he was surprised by the strength of Clinton’s lead. “It’s no lock, but she’s certainly in a very stronger position and a little bit stronger than what I expected,” he said of her results.

Among Republicans, the surveys showed former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Arizona Sen. John McCain leading the pack.

Giuliani led in both surveys, though he was statistically tied with McCain in the Marist poll, which showed Giuliani at 24 percent compared to 23 percent for McCain. The Fox News poll gave Giuliani a larger lead over McCain, 30 percent to 23 percent.

The Marist poll also showed solid support for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who was backed by 15 percent of respondents. Rice, who has consistently denied holding presidential aspirations, was not included in the Fox News poll.

Other Republicans, including Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback, who announced his campaign Monday, trailed with single-digit percentages.

With 23 months until the election and more than a year until the first nominating contest in Iowa, pollsters caution against viewing the leads as prohibitive — most of the candidates are largely unknown to many Americans, and surveys taken this far out from previous elections have proven poor predictors of the actual outcomes.

Usually, such skepticism also is rooted in the belief that the public is not engaged in politics so far out from the election, but the Fox News poll indicates interest is already running high: Nearly seven out of 10 respondents described themselves as “very” or “extremely” interested in the presidential election.

The recent midterm elections, ongoing fighting in Iraq and long-awaited release of the Iraq Study Group’s report on that conflict have kept politics in the front of voters minds, Shiman said.

Both pollsters underscored the electability of the top candidates. While Clinton amassed an enormous campaign chest for the 2006 election and had $13.9 million in cash as of Oct. 18, despite spending more $29.5 million on her Senate election, she scored poorly outside her own party.

The problem for Giuliani, however, is flipped — many voters remain unaware of his liberal stances on social issues including gun control, abortion rights and gay marriage, which could make it difficult for him to win over the conservatives that make up a large part of the Republican primary voting base.

“The problem for [Giuliani] is to continue to be acceptable to Republican primary voters. Right now most of them find his ideology to be fine — but then again, they don’t know that much about him,” said Lee M. Miringoff, director of polling for Marist College.

Clinton and Rice, the Marist poll suggested, will have to counter public ambivalence about their possible candidacies: Half of the respondents asked each woman not to run for president.

What was unclear from their poll, Miringoff told CQPolitics.com, was whether voters’ impression of Clinton was implacable.

“There’s just a huge number of people who would not consider voting for Hillary Clinton; it’s close to half the electorate,” he said. “And that means she’s either got to drive that number down or there’s not a lot of room for error in the campaign.”

The WNBC/Marist Poll was conducted over the telephone from Nov. 27 to Dec. 3 with 1,229 adults, 967 of whom were registered voters, and had an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points. The Fox News Poll was conducted over the telephone from Dec. 5-6 with 900 registered voters, and also had an error margin of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

© 2006 Congressional Quarterly


earthmother - December 8, 2006 06:50 PM (GMT)
All the polls I've been seeing lately put Obama and Gore basically neck-and-neck. This means that Obama's popularity is already fading some, since polls just a few weeks ago had him considerably higher than Gore. Of course, Hillary remains way out in front. :rolleyes:

I really do think that Obama will begin to fizzle out, and if Gore makes more noise that he might run, his numbers will continue to rise.

whybaby - December 8, 2006 07:14 PM (GMT)
I always love agreeing with you, Karen, particularly since you're so discerning and wise - and you agree with me! :P

Let's include Hillary, along with Obama, in the fizzle contest. Along with the "talk" (i.e. spin) about her being the front-runner, there is also as much real talk about her unelectability. (And of course the real other talk about Obama is that he is wet behind the ears, and needs about a decade more experience on top of his obvious talents to earn a presidential run.)

earthmother - December 8, 2006 08:37 PM (GMT)
Well, they say great minds think alike, Dinah. :lol:

ReElectAlGore2008 - December 8, 2006 11:17 PM (GMT)
The latest hottest rumor is Hillary has been the one saying Al would run to try to keep Obama out.

Just a rumor of course.

Al and Obama share alot of votes, so you could probably give the other at least 75 percent more votes if one runs and the other doesn't.

But Hillary is by far in the lead. Amazing.

earthmother - December 8, 2006 11:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM)
But Hillary is by far in the lead. Amazing.

Yeah, I wish someone could explain that to me. <_<

SonOfLiberty1 - December 9, 2006 12:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (earthmother @ Dec 8 2006, 11:50 PM)
QUOTE (ReElectAlGore2008 @ Dec 8 2006, 11:17 PM)
But Hillary is by far in the lead. Amazing.

Yeah, I wish someone could explain that to me. <_<

Simple: BILL Clinton! And the fact that her name has been so recognizable for so long, compared to everyone else but Al Gore.

When you combine "Bill" with the length she has been a force in politics, of course she is where she is in the polls. Nevertheless, too many consider her unelectible and Al still hasn't declared.

If Al declares on a really popular venue, at an appropriate time, and then gives just one major speech of national importance, no one will be able to stand in his way.

IMO, Thom :coolwink:

earthmother - December 9, 2006 05:10 AM (GMT)
Sure hope you're right, Thom.

Patsy - December 9, 2006 05:26 AM (GMT)
At this time, who else do we have but Hillary. I do not know of anyone who is or will be happy with her. We need a real President and that is Gore. All we need is a nod that he is running, and the whole situation will change. Hillary WHO!

Wayne in WA State - December 9, 2006 07:50 AM (GMT)
Polls are out there that show that if Bill Clinton were eligible for a third term...He would be ahead of Hillary, Obama, Gore or anyone else. Make of it what you will <_<

whybaby - December 10, 2006 04:03 PM (GMT)
Barack Obama is moving fast (see below). This will definitely push Hillary into it - I'm sure sooner than she would like. But that's okay with us, isn't it? Let the press and the RNC paint a big bull's eye on her. :dance:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061210/pl_nm/...tics_obama_dc_3

Obama hits New Hampshire in possible 2008 preview

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama makes his first visit to the political proving grounds of New Hampshire on Sunday, stoking the growing buzz about a possible 2008 White House run by the rising party star.

Obama, the only black U.S. senator, will speak to 1,500 Democratic activists at a sold-out celebration of November's election wins in New Hampshire, home to the first presidential nominating primary in January 2008.

Obama's flirtation with a presidential run just two years after he was elected to the Senate has intrigued those Democrats looking for a fresh face or an alternative to presumed front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Obama, who will announce a decision on a run by early next year, appeared on a Time magazine cover and drew big crowds while campaigning for Democrats this fall. Nearly 150 media members will cover him in New Hampshire, where the event was moved to a bigger venue to accommodate the crowd.

"There is a lot of curiosity about Senator Obama and this is the first opportunity people in New Hampshire have had to see him," said Kathy Sullivan, chairwoman of the state Democratic Party.

Obama's visit to New Hampshire comes after three trips to Iowa, which kicks off the campaign the week before New Hampshire's contest.

If he runs, Obama would join what promises to be a crowded 2008 Democratic presidential field that is likely to be led by Clinton. Clinton, who will announce a decision by early next year, is ahead in early polls but must ease Democratic doubts about whether she is too polarizing to win a general election.

Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack is the only Democrat to announce his candidacy so far, although Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh (news, bio, voting record) has formed an exploratory committee. Bayh, a frequent visitor to New Hampshire, also will visit the state over the weekend.

Obama plans a Sunday morning stop in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, to sign copies of his new book, "The Audacity of Hope" before appearing at the rally in Manchester.

Obama's hometown Chicago Tribune newspaper last week urged him to run, saying he had shown a unique appeal to Americans' "centrist instincts" and "his magnetic style and optimism would draw many disenchanted Americans back into the political process."

Obama, who delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention before he was elected to the Senate, has brushed off questions about whether he has the experience to be president.

"I am not sure anyone is ready to be president before they are president," he said in October after stating his interest in a possible White House run.


Let's hope that Al Gore's "The Assault on Reason" May 2007 book debut will soon be followed by his own announcement! :good:

earthmother - December 10, 2006 04:32 PM (GMT)
I don't think there's any question Obama's getting in. I think the guy's drunk with his own popularity, although I guess I can't blame him for that.




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