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al001 - December 3, 2006 04:41 PM (GMT)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/03/nyregion...=1&ref=politics

The New York Times

Clinton’s Talks With Democrats May Signal ’08 Bid

By PATRICK HEALY
Published: December 3, 2006

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has begun a calculated series of meetings with top New York Democratic officials to signal that she is likely to run for the presidency in 2008 and to ask for their support if she does, according to one state Democratic official who spoke with her and two others who have been briefed on her plans.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at a breakfast of the Association for a Better New York in November, shortly after she won re-election.
Senator Clinton met last week with Charles B. Rangel, the dean of the New York Congressional delegation, in what her advisers said was an effort to meet with most New York Congressional Democrats by the end of this month to discuss her plans.

On Friday, she also spoke with Herman D. Farrell Jr., the chairman of the State Democratic Party, Mr. Farrell said, and she plans to meet with Governor-elect Eliot Spitzer as early as today. Mr. Farrell confirmed that Senator Clinton briefed him on her 2008 intentions; Mr. Rangel declined to describe their conversation.

Senator Clinton’s outreach was disclosed and confirmed yesterday by three New York Democratic officials, all on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized by the Clinton camp to release the information. One of the officials said he was contacted by Senator Clinton directly about her plans. The two others said they were informed by senior Clinton advisers that she was entering a new phase of contacting officials to line up support for a possible presidential bid.

Her maneuvering comes at a time of growing speculation about a hard-fought contest for the Democratic presidential nomination between her and another possible hopeful, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois.

Mr. Obama’s political profile has been rising as an antiwar Democrat who proved wildly popular on the campaign trail, aiding candidates in the 2006 elections. With Mr. Obama scheduled this month to visit New Hampshire, the site of the first presidential primary, some Clinton allies see him as the single biggest obstacle to her nomination.

There has been little doubt that Senator Clinton was likely to mount a presidential bid. Her discussion marks a new phase of her exploration, as she seeks to build a united bench of Democratic support in her home state and then reach out for support nationally from elected officials, major donors and allies of both her and her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

Asked yesterday evening about Senator Clinton’s conversations with New York Democratic officials, a senior adviser, Howard Wolfson, said, “Senator Clinton made clear that after the election she would begin seriously considering a presidential run, and that process involves reaching out and talking to her colleagues.”

Another top adviser to Senator Clinton described the conversations with elected officials in exchange for anonymity because the adviser did not want to be quoted talking about internal deliberations.

“The message is, ‘Everybody keep their powder dry,’ ” the adviser said. “She is seriously looking at it. She’s not making any decision yet.”

The three Democratic officials said that Senator Clinton was strongly inclined to run for the presidency and was eager to do so, and that her outreach was an important new chapter that was likely to end with her declaration of a candidacy. The one Democrat who described his conversation with her said that Senator Clinton sounded enthusiastic and energized about undertaking a presidential campaign, and that she did not sound equivocal or unsure.

All three Democrats said the Clinton team was clearly moving ahead on a path to a candidacy; Senator Clinton was not seeking advice to make a decision on running, they said, but rather was lining up support so her candidacy was on the strongest possible footing.

While Senator Clinton, in her private conversations with Democrats, is not declaring her candidacy, her outreach is significant because so little had been known until now about her true intentions. And she has been coy at times about whether she would run.

Lengthy magazine articles have speculated about a possible Clinton candidacy, but only now has she taken the affirmative step of asking key officials to support her if she does run.

Such signals, in the political world, are generally interpreted as a sign that a well-positioned politician like Senator Clinton is going to run, barring an unforeseen event or change of heart.

The meetings and telephone calls have involved only Senator Clinton and the elected officials, and not their staffs.

Mr. Rangel, who was instrumental in first recruiting Senator Clinton to run for Senate in 2000, said the two of them had breakfast in New York on Wednesday and discussed her plans.

Mr. Farrell said he received a telephone call directly from her. “I had a discussion with her about her decision to run for president — I’m not telling you what the decision was, only that we had the discussion,” he said in an interview yesterday.

He did note that he has been encouraging Senator Clinton to run, and that her news pleased him.

“And I’m positive that if she runs, the people of the United States will elect her as our next president,” Mr. Farrell said.

Other Democratic elected officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the Clinton camp has asked them to stay silent, said that Senator Clinton had spent the past week calling allies to describe her plans and her thinking. Somewhat conspicuously, Senator Clinton had no schedule of public events last week, instead holing up at her homes in Washington and in Chappaqua, N.Y., and in private meetings.

Allies of Senator Clinton say that she wants to run for the White House but is weighing whether she can in fact become the first woman to win the presidency. Her advisers appear confident that Senator Clinton could build the sort of broad support among Democrats, independents and women that she had this fall in her landslide re-election victory in New York.

Yet Senator Clinton remains a highly divisive figure for many Americans from her eight years as first lady, her leading role in the failed effort to overhaul the nation’s health care system, and the multiple investigations of her husband’s administration.

Public polls indicate that Senator Clinton would be the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, were she to run, but they also suggest that a majority of Democrats would prefer to support other party figures — Mr. Obama, former Vice President Al Gore or former United States Senator John Edwards.

Democrats familiar with Senator Clinton’s strategy said she had planned to brief New York officials first and then reach out to national party leaders. These Democrats emphasized that she was not declaring her candidacy for the presidency, but they also said that she was expected to become more definitive in her comments about her intentions by the start of the new year.

Senator Clinton also planned to speak with, or had already spoken with, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and other members of the Congressional delegation. Senator Charles E. Schumer, Senator Clinton’s Democratic colleague, could not be reached for comment through his spokeswoman last night.

The senior Clinton adviser who spoke on condition of anonymity noted that the Clinton camp, with the political and financial assets accrued during Mr. Clinton’s presidency and Senator Clinton’s own career, was a powerful political force that did not have to hew to any timetable. At the same time, the adviser acknowledged, she cannot wait too long to assemble a campaign operation.

“She can relax through the holidays and into the beginning of next year,” the adviser said. “But beginning of next year, she and everybody else who is thinking about this has to start signaling that you are serious. At some point, you have to start locking down political operatives.”

Senator Clinton has also kept her political operation well tuned, with a veteran staff of aides and advisers on hand and more than $10 million left in the bank from her 2006 re-election campaign.

Anne E. Kornblut and Adam Nagourney contributed reporting.

earthmother - December 4, 2006 02:28 AM (GMT)
. . . more . . .

www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/03/hillary/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Hillary Clinton discussing presidential bid
Story Highlights•It's "pretty clear" former first lady will seek nomination, source says
•Clinton interviewing candidates for campaign staff, source says
•Clinton holds talks with New York Gov.-elect Spitzer


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is holding discussions about and interviewing potential campaign staff for a White House bid in 2008, sources say.

Clinton, a Democratic senator for New York and former first lady, was re-elected to a six-year term in the Senate in a landslide last month.

"She said before the election that after the election she would be considering a presidential run," said Howard Wolfson, a senior Clinton adviser. "Part of that process is seeking the advice and counsel of her colleagues in New York."

Wolfson said the senator has been holding private conversations with New York Democrats concerning a White House bid.

Another source close to Clinton told CNN she has begun interviewing potential campaign staff.

One New York Democrat, who asked to not be named, said he was recently called by a senior Clinton team member. While it was not flatly said that Clinton had decided to run for president, "it was pretty clear," the source said.

On Sunday, Clinton met New York's governor-elect, Eliot Sptizer, The Associated Press reported.

"We just had a great, wide-ranging meeting on so many issues that affect the city, the state and the country," AP quoted Clinton as saying as she left the meeting at Spitzer's home in Manhattan.

New York Sen. Charles Schumer, Clinton's Democratic colleague, told AP he would be meeting with Clinton in the next week.

"She wants to sit down and talk next week, which we're going to do. It could be about legislation. I have no idea what it's about, and until we sit down and talk that's all I'm going to say about it," AP quoted Schumer as saying. "I think she'd make a very good president but let's wait and see. Everyone's sort of jumping the gun."

A CNN poll taken two weeks ago showed the New York senator favored by 33 percent of people asked who they were "most likely to support for the Democratic nomination for president in the year 2008."

Clinton was ranked first among 10 potential Democratic candidates. Second place for "likely" support was a statistical tie among Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (15 percent); former Vice President Al Gore (14 percent), who ran for president in 2000; and John Edwards (14 percent), Gore's running mate in 2000.

Last week, Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack announced he would seek the Democratic nomination. Indiana Democrat Sen. Evan Bayh announced Sunday he is considering running for the White House.

CNN's Mark Preston, Scott Spoerry and Candy Crowley contributed to this report.

Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.






earthmother - December 4, 2006 04:23 AM (GMT)
This is all very interesting . . .

And it all runs contrary to information a former member and moderator here used to tell us, especially regarding Denny Farrell, who supposedly was a Gore supporter and said that the NY State Dem. Party also supported a Gore candidacy (which always seemed odd to me given that Clinton is a popular NY State Senator).

So, if she's running, can anyone here picture Gore doing what he'd have to do to run against her? It's difficult for me to picture.

earthmother - December 4, 2006 04:34 AM (GMT)
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NYTimes.com

The New York Times
December 4, 2006
Political Memo
Early ‘Maybe’ From Obama Jolts ’08 Field
By ADAM NAGOURNEY

WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 — Senator Barack Obama’s announcement that he might run for president is altering the early dynamics of the 2008 Democratic nominating contest. The move has created complications for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as she steps up her own preparations and is posing a threat to lesser-known Democrats trying to position themselves as alternatives to Mrs. Clinton, Democrats said Sunday.

The declaration six weeks ago by Mr. Obama, an Illinois Democrat, has set off a surge of interest in Democratic circles, which party officials expect will only be fueled in the coming week as Mr. Obama prepares for a day of campaignlike events in New Hampshire next Sunday.

At the least, Mr. Obama’s very high-profile explorations have contributed to a quickening of the pace across the 2008 Democratic field. On Sunday, Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana said that he would create a presidential exploratory committee this week. And Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa went so far as to announce his candidacy two years before Election Day, in what his aides said was a calculated strategy to grab a moment of attention before Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton blot out the sun.

Mrs. Clinton has been meeting in recent days with New York Democrats — including a two-hour brunch on Sunday at the Manhattan apartment of Gov.-elect Eliot Spitzer — to telegraph her own likely entry into the race, though her aides said the get-together had been planned before Mr. Obama discussed his possible run publicly.

But more than simply picking up the pace, Democrats increasingly believe that Mr. Obama has the potential of upending the dynamics of the 2008 contest more than any other Democrat who might run — short, perhaps, of Al Gore, the former vice president, whom some Democrats are pressing to run.

In Mr. Obama, Democrats have a prospective candidate who both underlines and compensates for the potential weaknesses that worry many Democrats about Mrs. Clinton.

He is a fervent opponent of the war in Iraq, and Democrats see him as an exceedingly warm campaigner with a compelling personality and a striking ability to command a crowd. He has no known major political baggage (though he has yet to encounter anything approaching the level of scrutiny Mrs. Clinton has undergone during her years in public life). And Mr. Obama can even match Mrs. Clinton’s arresting political storyline if he tries to became the nation’s first black president as she seeks to become its first female president.

But whatever complications he might pose for Mrs. Clinton are dwarfed by the shadow he is throwing over lesser-known Democrats. Almost without exception, they have approached this race with the same strategy: to try to emerge as the alternative to Mrs. Clinton and take advantage of substantial reservations in Democratic circles about her potential to win the White House.

There is only so much money, seasoned political expertise and media attention to go around, so the prospect of Mr. Obama eyeing the presidential nomination is understandably unsettling to his potential rivals. Whereas their original success was contingent on Mrs. Clinton folding, now they face the prospect of having to hope that two high-profile national Democrats collapse in the year leading into the Iowa caucuses.

“For every candidate in the race who isn’t Hillary Clinton, the entry of any other candidate in the races makes your job that much harder,” said Ron Klain, who worked as a senior adviser for Mr. Gore when he ran for president. “For all those guys, Obama is a very serious candidate who will compete with them for the limited supply of activists and media attention.”

Mark McKinnon, who was a top adviser to President Bush in his two White House runs and who is a senior adviser to Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and a likely presidential candidate in 2008, said, “I think Barack Obama is the most interesting persona to appear on the political radar screen in decades.” He added, “He’s a walking, talking hope machine, and he may reshape American politics.”

David Axelrod, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama, said, “If you believe at some level that this is a zero-sum game in terms of money and supporters and talent, then any time someone gets in with a big excitement quotient, that affects everybody else.” Mr. Axelrod has worked for Mr. Vilsack and for John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator who ran for president in 2004 and is likely to do so again this time.

Mr. Bayh got a reminder of that on Sunday when he appeared on “This Week” on ABC.

“What kind of a strategy do you need to combat huge political celebrities like John McCain, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton?” asked George Stephanopoulos, the program’s host.

Mr. Bayh earnestly dodged the question for a moment, before finally responding: “Is this a little bit like David and Goliath? A little bit, but as I recall, David did O.K.”

Asked repeatedly about the woman who is perceived as his most formidable challenge in the primary, Mr. Obama has been careful not to criticize Mrs. Clinton directly. But one of his central messages is that he is something Mrs. Clinton is not: a late baby boomer (he was born in 1961, at the tail end of the post-World War II generation; Mrs. Clinton was born in 1947), and a fresh face that rises above old partisan grudges.

Mr. Obama has already provided some hints of how he would position himself against Mrs. Clinton, suggesting he would link her to her husband’s presidency and their role in the intense partisanship that marked much of the 1990s and that carried over into the Bush presidency.

During a lengthy interview just before the midterm elections, Mr. Obama portrayed himself as part of a new generation of political leaders. Asked whether he detected a void in the Democratic presidential field, Mr. Obama replied that he sensed a mood of “Do we want to get beyond the slash-and-burn, highly ideological politics that bogged us down over the last several decades?”

Mr. Obama went on to say that he admired former President Bill Clinton for trying to bridge a centrist course between Democrats and Republicans. But he did not shy away from pointing out Mr. Clinton’s weaknesses — as someone who came of age in the 1960s, and all the debates about Vietnam service, drug use and sexual conduct that went with it, issues that continued to play out, sometimes with Mrs. Clinton in a supporting role.

“Although his instincts were right on target, and I think, intellectually and pragmatically, he understood that America wanted to move beyond those categories, in some ways he was trapped by his biography,” Mr. Obama said. “Some of what I say, I think, is facilitated by the fact that I’m less rooted in some of those arguments.”

For all the excitement Mr. Obama’s potential candidacy has stirred, he remains a 45-year-old first-term senator who is largely untested in national politics. Yes, Mr. Obama is unusually talented, Democrats and Republicans alike say, but the history of presidential campaigns is filled with examples of celebrity candidates like Gen. Wesley Clark in 2004 who burst onto the political stage but eventually sputtered as they struggled to master the difficulties of running for president.

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers said they never figured this would be an easy race for her, should she run. They said they appreciated Mr. Obama’s political talents and the threats he posed to her candidacy — in particular, his appeal to liberal voters, given the opposition to the war, and his appeal to black voters, who have been a large part of Mrs. Clinton’s base.

It is conceivable that Mr. Obama would help Mrs. Clinton by initially commanding contributions and blocking out more experienced and tested potential rivals — like Mr. Edwards or Mr. Bayh — only to stumble later on, when it is too late for anyone else to catch up.

James Carville, a Democratic consultant who advises Mrs. Clinton, said it was impossible to predict how Mr. Obama might shape such a crowded field.

“He has an early effect on the race, but there’s no way to predict what happens in a presidential race with this many funded candidates and this kind of name recognition,” Mr. Carville said.

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers have said throughout the year that she would wait until after the midterm election before moving into the more aggressive exploration phase that she is now in. “Her decision-making process is not going to depend on what candidates do or don’t do, which isn’t to say we don’t have tremendous respect for the other candidates,” said Howard Wolfson, a Clinton adviser.

One Democrat with knowledge of Mrs. Clinton’s conversation with Mr. Spitzer on Sunday, and who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the conversation was meant to be private, said Mrs. Clinton did not tell Mr. Spitzer that she was running or ask him to commit to her possible candidacy; rather, they talked over the pros and cons of a presidential run.

Mr. Obama, who first said in October that he was considering a race for the White House, said he intended to make his decision known after the first of the year.

Other Democrats who might run include Senators Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, Joseph R. Biden of Delaware and John Kerry of Massachusetts, and Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico.

Mr. Vilsack has been the most aggressive in trying to compensate for an expected move by Mr. Obama: the governor did a five-state announcement tour last week. “We accomplished our mission which was to make our introduction before anyone else sort of crowded in on the field,” said Jeff Link, a senior adviser to Mr. Vilsack.

Wayne in WA State - December 4, 2006 07:21 AM (GMT)
So, Senator Clinton is sending out feelers regarding her possible candidacy for President. What should we make of this, is this some unexpected startling development? It seems like she has hardly left New York State. If you were a Democratic politician in New York state what would you say to her? I think she is a cautious woman. Probably more cautious now than a few years ago.

How is that going to help her win the Iowa primary in 2008, or South Carolina?

In a way, I think that she is like Al Gore in that she does not want to compete for the nomination without being pretty darn sure she is going to win. That kind of assurance may be less and less certain as time goes on. Bill Clinton and John Kerry were willing to jump in as underdogs and scrap and fight after the media had written them off. I have a hard time seeing Hillary doing the same.




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