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Title: Why do so few people vote in the U.S.?


ALGOREismylife - November 5, 2006 06:15 PM (GMT)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061105/ap_on_...DMzBHNlYwM3MDM-


Why do so few people vote in the U.S.?

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer

Government of the people, by the people, will be missing a lot of people Election Day.

It's a persistent riddle in a country that thinks of itself as the beacon of democracy. Why do so few share the light?

Compare U.S. voting with foreign voting and it's not a pretty sight. Americans are less apt to vote than are people in other old democracies, in new ones, in dangerous places, dirt poor ones, freezing cold ones, stinking hot ones and highly dysfunctional ones.

Even that theocratic "axis of evil," Iran, has bragging rights over the United States in this regard. So does chaotic Iraq, where an estimated 70 percent of voters cast ballots in December parliamentary elections.

The pitched battle for control of the House and Senate in Tuesday's election has raised hope that voting will rise above its usual anemic levels. But competitive races are not reliable predictors of turnout and doubts exist about whether Republicans will be as fired up as Democrats and whether independents will vote with their feet or their seat.

As in other aspects of American life, the people who run elections work to make things easier for everyone. Yet they achieve little more than blips in increased turnout, if that.

Participation, paradoxically, is highest in states where making it to a polling station can be misery on a wintry day. Minnesota, Alaska, Maine, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Wisconsin and Wyoming are among states that lead the nation in getting voters out, and they put the Sunbelt to shame.

About 40 percent of U.S. citizens of voting age population cast ballots in nonpresidential year elections.

Despite the competitive nature of the 2000 presidential race and the certainty of having a new chief executive no matter who won, just more than half turned out. In 2004, a polarized year when everyone remembered the near dead heat four years earlier, turnout climbed over 60 percent — edging a little closer to the likes of Iran, Iceland and Somalia.

Some of the best states for voter turnout have conveniences such as same-day registration. But it is their culture of civic engagement that is most credited for their relative success. The expansion of absentee voting in many states has yet to produce a clear spike in overall participation.

Curtis Gans, who has been studying the riddle for three decades, says making voting easier does little to make people vote. "We know that it isn't procedure because we've constantly made procedure easier and voter turnout has gone down," he said.

Nor is it demographics.

The population today is more educated, older and less mobile than in the past — all things that should steer people to the voting booth. But that does not happen.

Gans' diagnosis: lack of motivation.

Blame the politicians, in part:

_the attack campaigning casting the choice as one between bad and worse;

_the lack of clearly defined choices on issues;

_the string of deviousness or wrong turns over the years — "I am not a crook," "I did not have sexual relations with that woman," "Saddam Hussein ... continues to develop weapons of mass destruction."

And blame people and their culture, too.

"We've had the fragmenting and atomization of our society," Gans said, driven by the 500-channel TV culture, the interstate, strip malls, abandonment of farms and the rise of the Internet. "All of those things have undermined community."

Gans is director of the Center for the Study of the American Electorate at American University.

A recent AP-Pew poll looked at the 45 percent of the population that can be characterized as nonvoters because these people rarely vote even though most are registered.

Most broadly, the poll found that nonvoters are not just disconnected from politics, but also from their communities. Nonvoters were less likely to trust others, to have a strong support network of friends and family or to know their neighbors than regular voters were.

Among those who were unregistered, only 14 percent said it was complicated to register where they live. Most had not done so because they lacked the time, had not gotten around to it, had no confidence in politicians or just did not care.

The United States lags about 130 countries in voter participation. Discount ones that enforce compulsory voting laws — fewer than a dozen — and America's standing hardly improves.

ALGOREismylife - November 5, 2006 06:20 PM (GMT)
This is an interesting question. I can actually say atleast half of the people I know don't vote and probably never will. I've asked some of them why they don't vote and I got all kinds of excuses.

Some say they don't care or just don't have the time.

Others say all politicians are the same, so why bother??

And then, there is why bother when your vote might not even get counted???

al001 - November 5, 2006 08:50 PM (GMT)
I made the mistake of trying to tell a group of younger kids, that informed me they didn't vote because it didn't affect them and wasn't their problem, how foolish that was. I think my approach was a little too strong. All I ended up doing was pissing them off. They then jumped into the new car Daddy bought them and raced to the Mall.

earthmother - November 5, 2006 10:38 PM (GMT)
Oh, please, don't get me started, Al. Kids today. They've got it too easy. Their parents don't demand anything of them, and they're given everything on a silver platter.

My son goes to a college where the kids are very politically active. It's nice to see, for a change. They actually CARE about things. They raised oodles of money for Katrina relief, they're out on the streets trying to register voters. In fact, all students there are REQUIRED to register to vote when they register for their classes as incoming freshmen. Bravo!

Not that I'd want a draft, but it was largely the knowledge that one could be drafted that made us politically active in the '60s. The parents of all these apathetic kids must be equally apathetic. My kids both grew up with my husband and me ranting at the dinner table about this, that, and the other thing. They understood that issues matter, that we should all be concerned citizens. I hate the attitudes of these kids who don't ever have to work for anything or think about anything.

Ugh, as I said, don't get me started . . .

ALGOREismylife - November 6, 2006 02:01 AM (GMT)
Don't get me started............. :lol:

On today's kids, the ones in my town are pathetic. They are very immature, rude, lazy, disrespectful and don't give a damn about anything except their phones, cigarettes, pot and a few other things I won't mention.

Just the other day this kid who has been rude in the past came into the library before school was out. When the librarian asked him about school, he said with a smile on his face, "I got suspended." He thought it was a joke. The kid is 15 and acts like ten. I'm actually stuck with this kid as a neighbor. :angry:

Now it's true, you have to be 18 to vote and most of the ones I know, I don't think they are voting. :bad:

oleblueraider - March 28, 2007 02:01 AM (GMT)
Well as for children, the new generation coming on-line so to speak, is being called the Millennials, and they are much better than the Gen X's that preceded them!

"The Millennial Generation was born between 1977 and 1998. The 75 million members of this generation are being raised at the most child-centric time in our history. As you might expect, this group is technically literate like no one else. Technology has always been part of their lives, whether it's computers and the Internet or cell phones and text pagers."

"Fifty percent of high school students reported volunteering in their communities, many of their high schools requiring community service hours for graduation. On one Roper Survey, when Millennials were asked for the major cause of problems in the U.S., they answered selfishness."

Look them up, they are going to DOMINATE as soon as the last boomers die, walk right through and on top of Gen X's! they deserve to it appears as well.


"Celebrate diversity
Optimistic/realistic
Self-inventive/individualistic"

Americans don't vote because to them it doesn't matter who wins. Things actually don't change that much in perception to average folks? It changes in increments. And as much as I hate to say it, we have it reall well at all levels of life in the USA! People would vote if it were All day Sunday, A holdiay, and there life was about to go out of existance if they did not!

We are all just class fighting otherwise.

Wayne in WA State - March 28, 2007 06:09 AM (GMT)
Should I chime in with "these kids today, they don't appreciate anything, they have everything so easy..." Nah, I don't think I'll go there. The children of the rich and upper-middle class have it pretty good. Children of laid-off autoworkers are probably facing a worse situation than we did in the past. This is the first generation that is struggling just not to fall to a standard of living below their parents. :!: How wonderful it must be to grow up with a President George W Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney :dripple:

The reason we vote on a Tuesday in November is because way back in the 1700's the idea of giving citizens the vote was a very liberal, radical idea that threatened many elites. To minimize the threat they set up a system where they did not want to make it too easy to vote. Not on a weekend, not in good weather, no national holiday; maybe that will keep the rabble from actually showing up to vote.

I think a good first step would be to declare Election Day a National Holiday and to keep the polls open for 24 hours. Changing it to a Saturday or a different month might require amending the Constitution. We could avoid this by keeping the same day and make it an official holiday and, like I said, open for 24 hours, or at least 18 hours, from 6AM until 12 midnight.

What does everyone think about that idea? :?:

earthmother - March 28, 2007 02:15 PM (GMT)
I think making election day a national holiday and having the polls open for a longer time (not sure about 24 hours :?: ) are very good ideas, and they would benefit Dems. more than Reps., since they're the ones who frequently can't leave work and also work odd shifts and have more trouble getting to the polls.

But beyond that, it's not just trouble getting to the polls that keeps Americans from voting. We are a country of politically apathetic people. There's no getting around that. Too many of our citizens are uneducated about politics to even make an informed decision, and many just don't care. How we fix those problems, I have no idea.

Earthman - March 28, 2007 03:17 PM (GMT)
I have mixed feelings about a holiday to vote. maybe because most would just go do something else with that time. IMO

My understanding is that employers must grant time off as well to vote. I think it is either before work or after. Not sure though. At any rate I don't know that would matter either.

I usually vote by mail absent. Seems if there is a problem going to the polls maybe a national absentee system or mail in system might work better.

Folks would not have to stand in long lines (like some places) or go vote on a day that is
a hardship on them.

Well those are some of my thoughts.

Wayne in WA State - March 28, 2007 06:54 PM (GMT)
As far as I know, there is no requirement whatsoever that employers make any accommodation to allow people any time to vote.Vote by mail seems to work fairly well in places that do it. But there is a little security concern there. Additionally it's one more example of "bowling alone", where people stay in their separate homes and apartments and don't actually get together for a civic or social purpose.

I've heard people say that if it were a holiday then people would just use the time to do other things -- well, they might. But overworked, overstressed Americans could use some time to be with their family, their friends, listen to music or whatever they want to do; -- I'm thinking we should encourage businesses to participate with something like come to the theater with your "I voted" sticker and you get a discount rate, go to a restaurant with your "I voted" sticker and you get a special price. We could try and start a ritual where first you vote and then you you all eat ice cream or drink a beer with your neighbors or something along those lines.

just a thought

devildog2033 - March 28, 2007 08:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wayne in WA State @ Mar 28 2007, 12:54 PM)
I've heard people say that if it were a holiday then people would just use the time to do other things -- well, they might. But overworked, overstressed Americans could use some time to be with their family, their friends, listen to music or whatever they want to do; -- I'm thinking we should encourage businesses to participate with something like come to the theater with your "I voted" sticker and you get a discount rate, go to a restaurant with your "I voted" sticker and you get a special price. We could try and start a ritual where first you vote and then you you all eat ice cream or drink a beer with your neighbors or something along those lines.

just a thought

Awesome ideas! Incentives to vote might work- it helped bring my grades up when the arcade in town gave free tokens for video games based on report cards.

I will chime in with my thoughts.

Changing days would be a mistake- especially here in Michigan where getting the democrats out to vote is critical. Forget Florida, Ohio, and all the rest (no offense) but there is no political model that would give Michigan to a republican and still have a democrat elected president (at least not a realistic model- hypothetically I suppose anything could happen). Being as such, here in Michigan weekends for the most part are "getaway" time since we do have a lot of cool destinations and camping is a HUGE past time for the working class (dems). Moving election day to a Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday would drop the turnout, even if it were not to be an actual "holiday".

Making that Tuesday a holiday is a great idea. I have always voted, but now that I work for a company that we bargained with to get it as a holiday it is so much easier to not only vote, but to volunteer (this past Nov. I drove a shuttle bus to get people to the polls).

Sreamlining and securing the absentee ballot procedure would help. But there NEEDS to be a paper trail. Diebold scares me.

ALGOREismylife - March 28, 2007 08:21 PM (GMT)
Changing the day or making election day a holiday wouldn't help a damn bit if:

1. People don't vote

2. the vote is rigged still yet again

3. votes aren't properly counted

4. discrimination at the polls, especially in the South

5. pre-rigging and illegal purging like in the 2000 election

Wayne in WA State - March 29, 2007 06:09 AM (GMT)
Yeah, I think it's fine to keep election day as Tuesday.

As everyone here knows, Diebold and Sequoia and other paperless touch-screen voting machines are an abomination to our democracy. We need paper ballots, a secure chain of custody, and verifiable tabulation. But even if we achieve those goals it would still be a worthwhile goal to increase voter turnout.

I like the idea of Election Day being a holiday and longer hours of keeping the polls open. The only problem is that there is an organized powerful group that does NOT want higher voter turnout; They are called the Republican Party :blink: :mad:

ALGOREismylife - March 29, 2007 09:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wayne in WA State @ Mar 29 2007, 12:09 AM)
The only problem is that there is an organized powerful group that does NOT want higher voter turnout; They are called the Republican Party :blink:  :mad:

How true, higher voter turnout would mean more African-Americans and other minorities, more low-income, more women and so on. And we all know they usually vote Democrat and the repukes wouldn't be happy about that. <_<

devildog2033 - March 29, 2007 10:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ALGOREismylife @ Mar 28 2007, 02:21 PM)
4. discrimination at the polls, especially in the South


Hell, it happened in droves here in Detroit and in Ohio. RepubliKKKan challengers were outside going past the line in suits looking all official telling people they weren't on the rolls, saying they needed a drivers license to vote, they couldn'tvote if they had been to jail. All kinds of horse crap. Of course the minorities left before the authorities were notified.

ALGOREismylife - March 29, 2007 11:38 PM (GMT)
I know all about Ohio and the garbage that went on in the 2004 election. But I also remember, sometimes I wish I could forget, the crap that went on in many Southern states in the 2000 election. We all know what happened in Fraudsville, oh I mean Florida, but what about some of the other Southern states???

I get so sick of hearing "AL GORE couldn't even win Tennessee." There was plenty of voter fraud and harassment of African-American voters in Tennessee, but it was kind of ignored because of what was going on in Florida. Yeah, sounds like RepubliKKKlan to me. :angry:

Check this out:

http://www.alternet.org/story/10589/

devildog2033 - March 30, 2007 09:09 PM (GMT)
Ah yes, the old "One disaster knocks another one out" tactic that has worked for Bush all these years.

Any coincidence that Valarie Plame, fired attorneys, and other (relatively) minute things are taking up so much of our news these days? Haven't heard too much about Iraq, Iran (except about the British sailors and Marines, but not much about us having two warships 50 miles off their coast and conducting "dogfighting exercises") or (surprise) Korea?

Not to mention all the positive press about Gore's Global Warming Education efforts have been knocked back to page 8.




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