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Title: It's time to set the story straight on Kerry's com


al001 - November 5, 2006 03:12 PM (GMT)
Much has been said about statements made by Sen. Kerry since 1971 when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, April 22, 1971 and what he said just days ago.
If you wish to read the entire testimony go to
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http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/...yTestimony.html
The most damaging statement was made by those whose attention span was too short or they were simply too lazy to read the entire recording of the hearing. That statement was that Kerry claimed we...razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan,...

A typical one liner used by the ignorant in an attempt to make a pointless point.
The exact statement is:

"Kerry was asked by the committee to tell what he heard from the veterans in a Detroit meeting he attended. His statement is exactly as follows..."They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."
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From the National Review Online http://www.nationalreview.com/document/kerry200404231047.asp

The actual statement here is as follows:

"It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."


He related what he heard and answered questions to the best of his ability. He never said he was involved in any of the acts nor did he accuse all vets of such acts. But as a two tour Vet of Vietnam I can tell you that upon my arrival in 1968 I was informed that the collecting of Viet-Cong ears was no longer accepted although we could nail our unit patches to the foreheads of dead enemy and prop them up along the trail with cigarettes hanging from their mouths. Now the Democrats say the soldiers deserve respect and they do and they get it even though we never did when we returned from Vietnam nor did the Korean Vets.
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Now jump forward to today and a war none of the White House staff have fought in. In fact they have not fought in any, I repeat any war.
Kerry's blotched joke from...ABC News.com (search: Sen. Kerry's Words: Intention Vs. Reality)
ABC News

Nov. 1, 2006 — What did John Kerry intend to say vs. what did he actually say during a speech for California candidate Phil Angelides—ABC News has presented the actual statements below, you be the judge:

Here is what John Kerry actually said at his speech on Monday Oct. 30, while campaigning on behalf of California candidate Phil Angelides:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Kerry's office has released the following as what they claim are the actually lines prepared for the delivery of the Angelides speech:

"It's great to be here with college students. I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq. Just ask President Bush."

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No where does he say our troops are dumb, uneducated or not respected. He simply states the facts. When the Army runs too thin a draft will have to be re-instated to keep levels reasonable. The first drafted are the High school grads that don't have the grades or money to get in college, the drop-outs and criminals given a choice of Jail or time in a combat zone. It was that way in Vietnam and it will be that way in Iraq. The biggest difference between the two is we never sent both Mother and Father of the same family into Vietnam leaving the children at home to wonder who if either they would ever see again. We do in Iraq. We have sent all the sons of a single family.

I did find Kerry's commit "Just ask Bush." a joke. Why ask a man who has little concern who he sends and has not only never gone himself but used his Fathers influence to avoid combat entirely. He then quickly refused to take a flight physical which revoked his pilots status. Anyone else would have been sent straight to Vietnam. Bush went out to help champagne then got an early out to attend school. Thanks to Papa our President has avoided combat and the humiliation of a failure as a businessman, despite all the education he received in the local bars.

I'm not a fan for Kerry as President but he did go into combat, not Bush. He did win the Silver Star, a highly revered award, not Bush. He did serve his country when asked, not Bush. If you want to use Kerry's statements to cut him down then use the truth and the entire statement and do not use him to try and destroy the Democrat Party. The Republican Party has done a fine job of destroying this country without any help from the Democrats.

al001 - November 12, 2006 01:09 PM (GMT)
I could never vote for Kerry as long as I have another reasonable chose. But he is not guilty of calling our troops stupid. The troops need to know this since their views are moulded mainly by their commanders and the B.S. speeches Bush gives them. (He loves a captive and supportive audience).

Think! We support you and if you read closely you will see beyond the lies of George W. Bush. Kerry may not be the one for president but he does support you. Remember...he's been there and done that.

And your Commander-In-Chief was there when?

Oh, I forgot, his Daddy keep him out of the danger zones. (except for the local Bars).

dbciii - November 12, 2006 02:41 PM (GMT)
point of clarification:


Kerry's office has released the following as what they claim are the actually lines prepared for the delivery of the Angelides speech:

"It's great to be here with college students. I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.


The written transcript was distributed before he delivered the remarks. The word "us" is in them. There is no debate. The words "they claim" are spurious. And that one word "us" removes any doubt whatsoever as to what the thrust of the remarks was intended to be. It is not necessary to rationalize that a lot of the armed forces are lesser-educated, blah blah blah, and try to say Kerry was only telling the truth, meant no harm, blah, blah blah. He was not talking about ANY of the troops AT ALL!

He was saying that the drunken frat boy who evaded the draft and brags about not reading and cannot even construct an intelligible sentence, who couldn't have found Iraq on a map before invading it, who was unaware of the difference between Sunni and Shia got US stuck in Iraq!

That is the ONLY clarification. Just as the post-VN comments were twisted to make Kerry appear to be accusing rather than relating what he had heard, this faux pas is being used to pillory him. Sure, he stuck his foot in it by using the line to begin with (Iraq is no joking matter) and then screwing it up. If he were one of my buddies I'd punch him in the shoulder and say "you dumbass!" and we'd move on.

A few days after that flap, Bush said we should leave Iraq "before the job is done" - then caught himself and said "I mean not leave". Big damned deal. People misspeak. Our Sesame Street sound bite society has its collective head up its collective rear end. Aside from Al Gore and Wes Clark, I'd take Kerry as President over anyone else on the horizon.

al001 - November 12, 2006 02:56 PM (GMT)
Well said dbciii. You did a much better job than I did. Thanks for helping to show some sound perspective on this.

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