As I've said several times on this forum, I'm not a democrat. I'm a totalitarian. I really don't like either parties but support democrats because the republicans are so much worse.

Eventually I would like to serve some form of government and run [and as perform as a totalitarian]. That won't be for a while though. However, if given the opporitunity to campaign for a totalitarian candidate I would.

So I ask you guys; do you think it would be possible to elect a totalitarian candidate to the United States Congress?

I didn't know that Grey Fox :) More power to you!

What is a totalitarian? ( not trying to be sarcastic, honest, I've heard the word before -but I don't honestly know what it's definition(s) is/are. And, that is from your view, P.O.V. on it < since Googling totalitarian is easy :) >

"do you think it would be possible to elect a totalitarian candidate to the United States Congress? "

Yup :D

Here's some info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/course.../totalrule.html

Thanks Grey Fox. So, honest, -I'm guessing you were being somewhat sarcastic then ( dumb me :) )?
(And I mean no insult in anyway, -Thanks! )

I'm not being sarcastic. This country needs totalitarian leadership to get us out of the culture of shit we've become since Kennedy's social liberalism plans.

Cool, thank you Grey Fox. That certainly helps me to understand better.

Forgive me if I'm a little confused (happens all the time to me), -and I mean no sarcasm or insult, I respect you sharing your thoughts ( thanks! )

I'm a little confused, 'cause I haven't heard Gore endorse that type of totalitarian leadership ( I could be very wrong, I'm by no means an expert on Gore ).

But, -is that what you would like to see Gore move closer to? Maybe a type of, 'take over the government' action by Al Gore ?

( yea, my small brain is showing again, -thanks! )

Gore has not endorsed it, nor has any other politician to have held office in the US.

Greyfox, Gore would never endorse any kind of totalitarian government. Our democracy is of the PEOPLE, by the people, and for the people.

Kennedy's social liberalism meaning civil rights and school lunches? or do you think too many people are getting welfare? What about the welfare of the rich? There are corporations out there that get billions from the government. One corp got 5 billion to build a nuclear power plant in China. And some begrudge old people their Social Security checks...

As always I respect your views, greyfox. Just help me understand a bit.

All, I'll add to this conversation is we desperately need PRESIDENT AL GORE more than ever and we need him now. I hope he runs in 2008. I can't even begin to trust anyone else to clean up Bush's continuing disasterous mess. And it's getting worse.

Three and half more years of Bush. :bad:

Lemme first say I've been busy with the return of school and all... As for the Civil Rights movement? Of course it's a great thing and Martin Luther King JR was a national hero.

Welfare? While it pisses me off a lot that a lot of welfare recipients brought poverty upon themselves, I think there are some people that truly need it. Therefore I support that too, even though I must "hold my nose" when I admit it.

Now what social liberalism am I talking about? Well, I can tell you that a lot changed in the 60s. Prior the 60s, America was a country of decency. People had respect for one another, and calling America home was something that would make one proud. But that all died with the 60s, and you can't deny that Kennedy and LBJ too played a part in that. A lot of the decay of American culture is the school system that took a nose dive. Previously, schools taught character, integrity, and respect, but all that was removed in the 60s by social liberals. And since parents no longer teach these values, it is the government (and hence schools') duty.

And then what makes me think Totalitarian is what the country needs...? Katrina certainly solidified my views that neither republicans or democrats can muster the recourses in time of disaster. Both parties have displayed piss-poor handling. Imagine if North Korea or China attacked us? We'd be like a chicken without a head. This is where Totalitarianism comes in; the system is based off the belief that a nation is completely f*cked up and needs an "extremist" system to make the necessary changes. The state needs more power, and with that power, it will benefit the good of the people.

As for corporate greed? Of course it pisses me off. You think I actually like welfare for the rich?! Not even close.

Perhaps totalitarianism is a bit extreme. Maybe the party I'm looking for would be more along the lines of the Reform party. Either way, I know that democrat or republican in office, American culture will continue it's downward spiral.

The sixties were a time of revolutionary change, some good some not so good. The fifties are not all they were cracked up to be, especially if you were black, imagine what Emmitt Till (a thirteen year old boy) went through, brutally murdered for whistling at a white woman. Reverse the thought and imagine that you had to sit in the back of a bus because you were white, how would that feel? would you be proud to call America home? This of course included men that had fought for our nation in World Wars 1 and 2 not to mention the Korean conflict. Schools while separate were definitely not equal, a product of slavery and segregation. The sixties addressed the problems that should have been addressed in the 1860s after The War Between The States. It was only after the civil rights laws were passed (which Johnson supported) that the vision of Thomas Jefferson "That all men are created equal" came to fruition as far as the government is concerned. As for individuals we still have a way to go.

BRAVO Uncle Joe!! well said! :clap: :clap:

I really don't see much improvement for African-Americans in this country. Unfortunately, racism is alive and well, this latest disaster is proof of that and let's not forget the last two presidential elections. Purging and harassing African-American voters has made us all suffer with eight years of this horrible racist thief, George W. Bush. I feel it still sucks to be African-American in this country in the year 2005.

As for Emmit Till, there was no actual proof he whistled at that white woman. It might have just been an excuse to murder a Black child for the hell of it. Mississippi hasn't changed all that much and either has most of the South, which is sad and it screws up elections. :bad:

As I already said, there was nothing wrong with the Civil Rights Movement. Infact, I said it was a great thing. It's not the problem. The problem is the lack of decency this country has had since the 60s and just keeps getting worse.

Lack of decency? There has always been a lack of deceny, but it is now more exposed due to technology. That is just a Republican excuse to push invasive laws that control people's lives.

There always has been, but to what extent? America looks like garbage compared to other countries, and it's sad. Very sad. There is no respect for authority. It's all just "FIGHT THE POWER, MAN!" and name brands.

You can walk into most any shopping center, public school, or any street in America and see what I'm talking about. The way people dress and talk and treat one another is unbelievable. Being that parents no longer give a shit about raising their kids properly, I believe it's the government's job. How? Well, militarise the schools. No, I don't mean teaching kids combat, but I mean teaching kids that nobody really gives a f*ck that their wearing Abercrombie. The state of American culture is one of the most important issues in our lives but nobody seems to talk about it.

I know you go to a rough school, greyfox and I understand that they need some disipline. But "decency" should be defined at home. It cannot be dictated wholly by the government. We do have some standards as in people cannot go around naked or go around killing with impunity. We have laws and do not have chaos for the most part. I do not believe children should be little soldiers, forced to obey and never question the status quo. For good or ill, that just isn't what America is about.

hmmm... Grey Fox, your sounding like a parent, -JUST KIDDING!! :D
You KNOW I think you ROCK GreyFox!

I'd guess you are sharing that same feeling with MANY people today.
I used to do some part-time teaching down in Florida ( Miami, -very close to South Beach. Middle school ), whoa- kids today... But, I LOVE 'em! Don't get me wrong. I was the ART teacher, not English or History :)

I tell ya', all of those Home Schooled kids are just so evil, -JUST KIDDING!! JUST KIDDING!! I love them too! But, I can understand what you are saying, and education seems to be one of the BIG factors in that mix. Example: Let the kids go to the public school, private, home, -even overseas, military school, etc.

I think a big reflection of a culture is it's family unit. I don't have kids, not married, etc. so I have stayed VERY close to my only family :) I hope that's a good thing, -and it hurts me when I see the young kids who obviously don't have a family to be close with, especially in at the hospital. That just tears me apart, I can't walk away from it ( so I draw cartoons for 'em, heh, heh, you know, "me and my drum" :wub: -it's not much, but I usually can create a smile, -yaa! )

Unfortunately I don't have any answers for how to improve America's culture, just my time to use in trying to make it better ( one kid at a time :) ). But, I'm ALL ears on any idea's!

I don't know if I would send my kids to a military school...? I do think they are, or can be, excellent, excellent schools. But, with Mr Cuckoo-Cuckoo Banana's in power, that idea scares me.

I do wish all parents would love their children above all else, never hurt them ( abuse ), always there for them, keep them safe, etc. -and I believe most all parents do. But some don't, -and the culture/world suffers for it.
( -and, some parents can't/are forced away from their children. So I don't want to sound like I'm the one to pass judgment on ANY person or parent ).

AGIML, I watched a PBS special about Emmitt Till, they interviewed Emmitt's friends that were with him in the store and they stated he whistled at her. This is of course no excuse for what happened to him. They stated he was just an expressive type of person, a nice boy, new to town, visiting from Chicago.
The South has changed in some respects however, if I remember correctly the white men that dragged James Bird to his death in Texas were found guilty and sentenced to death, I am not so sure that would have happened in the 50's.
Racism is universal, we still have a long way to go in overcoming this scourge, however I believe there has been progress made.

P.S. Greyfox, I believe the lack of decency goes hand in hand with all things corporate. Corporations have no soul, they just have public relations. Corporations are concerned about one thing and one thing only, their bottom line. As Chris stated, technology has exposed more people to what some would consider indecent via television, radio or publishing. The corporations in their attempt to maximize profits continue to cater to the lowest common denominator regardless of the social implications. The corporations have even went farther by taking over what passes for American Journalism and turning it in to the National Enquirer. It is a race to the bottom, where superficiality and style trump substance and character. This is why in 2000 after Osama had already declared war against us the vital issue of the day with them was; who would you rather have in your home for a beer, well the nation has been drunk ever since.


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I wasn't sure what happened in the Emmit Till story except he was brutally murder by white adults and yes I do remember that horrible crime in Texas.

But look what racism has done to the last two presidential elections. Both rigged and stolen for a racist, George W. Bush by racists. Illegal purging of thousands of African-American voters in Florida, harassment of thousands of others in several Southern states. Thousands of uncounted African-American votes in 2000 election in Florida. I realize this has been discussed several times before, but that doesn't make it go away or change the fact that it unfortunately happened.

Maybe white people can no longer get away with murdering a Black person, but they sure get away with stealing elections.

Racism denied me my president. :angry:

Brilliant! Brilliant point Uncle_Joe ! :)

( and I understand where ALGOREismylife is coming from )

QUOTE (Uncle Joe @ Sep 15 2005, 12:39 PM)

AGIML, I agree with you, unfortunately racism is a alive and well and we have miles to go. I believe racism was used to steal the election of 2000, however I have a gut feeling the major reason this occurred was a strategic decision by the corpwhorate owned MSM to deny Al power. It all goes back to him becoming the primary champion of the internet, in effect taking some of their power and giving it to us. They have hated him ever since.

The very people (corpwhorate MSM) that had a duty to enlighten the American People as to the truth betrayed us. Bush, Nader, Diebold, Jeb or Katherine; none or all of them could not have stopped Al from taking his rightful position in the White House if what passes as American Journalism these days did not enable them.

A handful of corporations that control 80-90% of the national MSM lied to the American People. How many times did you hear them cite "countiing the same ballots over and over", when in fact they had not been counted to begin with. If there had been serious fair investigative journalism, Bush would have been exposed for the corrupt/incompetent that he is, the purging of legitimate voters as felons could not have occurred, Florida would have been called in dispute instead of going to Bush's column etc. If the corpwhorate owned MSM had not committed treason against the people, the focus would have been on the disenfranchisement of the of legitimate voters, not Sore/Loserman. Had the corpwhorate owned MSM done their job, there would have been a national uproar just as we had occur after the videos showing the flood victims in New Orleans.

I believe Al recognizes that the biggest danger to our democracy today is the near death of American Journalism to tell the unvarnished truth, and that is precisely the reason he started his "Current" television/internet hybrid.


P.S. I forgot to mention the willful omission of Global Warming as a serious threat to our nation by them until recently, and the cheerleading leading to a war with Iraq based on lies. It all part of the same package.

That's right. Corporations are a huge problem. They market garbage to the simpletons of society and make them stupid(er). Totalitarianism deals with that. They are anti-corporation and filter out a lot of junk that they advertise.

I don't think the dither of techonology is the problem. It may play a small roll, but not significant. It's that the parents don't raise the kids properly and ths schools don't raise the kids properly. For example, once in a while I will have some contrabanb and sit into the TV and watch junk simililar to the stuff average American teenagers watch. It however doesn't effect me in any way.

It's not just my school. I have friends that go to other schools and they see the same problems. I don't see why it should not be dictated by the government. Since when does being raised properly by the government = raising someone to be a soldier? As I said, combat would not be taught, or anything else military related.

We live in a free society and most of us want to raise thinking, feeling, children, not Hitler youth. Showing kids the right direction in life does not always entail being a drill sergeant.

What your saying is an incorrect generalization.

Japan and Singapore have this kind of school system and their people aren't war mongering, Hitler youth. In fact, they are way more anti-war than us. Perhaps it's because their education system teaches better...? Their crimerate is a hell of a lot lower and the people are much more decent. I also should note that I believe Japan's legislature is 61% Democrat controlled.

I am not sure what form of Totalitarianism you are referring to, but the only form I am familiar with is one party rule by a dictator type. Do you mean total federal control of our shools? or the upbringing of our children? There is a fine balancing act between security and freedom, usually giving up your freedom just for security's sake results in the loss of both.

Regarding Japan, I do know they have one of if not the highest child suicide rates in the world, mostly due from stress caused by school demands.

Regarding the dithering effect of technology, if you are a single parent or even a two wage earner household. the effect is invasive.

I believe all thoughts are energy; whether they be high minded or positive such as love, compassionate, empathetic or understanding etc. or low minded or negative such as violent, spiteful, petty or lustful etc. It is impossible for these energies not to be affecting you as you are made of energy and your brain; conscious and subconscious is wired to recieve them. You may have a better grip on your conscious mind or reality than most, however on some subconcious level you remember and store everything you have ever experienced. The kicker is that your subconscious mind does not know the difference between a fantasy or reality. People with a more tenous hold on their conscious mind can be adversely affected by negative thoughts anchored with intense emotions.

Totalitarianism is not the evil it's cranked up to be. It is a good system if worked properly. Just like how Russia never was real communism.

Japan indeed has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. Don't forget to leave out though that America has the highest homicide school rate in the world. If wanna see an accurate depiction of American school in a movie, watch "Elephant." I've been fortinite enough to never be a direct target of bullying or school violence, but several times I have had to stand up for other people and break up fights. No school should be like that. I also should not the Japan suicice rate is high (compared to us) do to the enormous amount of work the kids have to do, NOT because they're being disciplined.

Greyfox, I am leaving for the night, but I am curious as to what your definition of Totalitarism is?

According to Webster's dictionary Totalitarian: "designating of or characteristic of a government or state in which one political party or group maintains complete control and refuses to recognize, and as a consequence suppresses, all other political parties".

If this is what you are referring to, you can deal me out. I believe in the adage that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We have had a mild form of totalitarism since Bush was appointed by the Republican controlled Supreme Court along with the Republican controlled congress. It is precisely because one party controls everything now that, there has been no investigation of Bush's manipulating of intelligence pre 9/11, nor the lies he used to take us to war with Iraq, it is also a stumbling block to an effective investigation of his failure in taking care of the American People after Katrina hit. I see no advantage to a one party system, be that Democratic or Republican or anybody else.

I should note that I said a totalitarian elected to CONGRESS would be good for the country, NOT President. Basically I want somebody who is going to bring up and fight for the issues too contraversial for the dems (and certainly the republif*ck hypocrites).

The House of Representatives would be ideal, because this way he/she doesn't have executive power (or even the power of a senator), which could be dangerous, but he/she could still write bills and bring up important issues that everyone in Washington is too scared to talk about.

My definition of totalitarianism is fighting for hardworking people and wanting decency and a very low crimerate, even if it means intruding on someone's personal interests.

About the school system, I'm really sick of hearing BS generalizations. Discipline and respect are NOT the same as killing without compunction and blind obedience. Japan has it, Singapore has it, many other countries have it, and it works.