To be released on June 21, 2005, Edward Klein's book The Truth About Hillary : What She Knew, When She Knew It, and How Far She'll Go to Become President is sure to raise some eyebrows. For one thing, this editorial review from Amazon.com says it will prove that Hillary lied in her bestselling autobiography, Living History. Lied about what, I wonder. Read on . . .

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Editorial Reviews

Book Description
Hillary Rodham Clinton is the most polarizing figure in American politics. Love her or hate her, everyone has a strong opinion about the former first lady turned senator who is almost certainly going to run for president in 2008.
Despite more than a dozen years in the national spotlight and more than a dozen unauthorized books about her, she has managed to keep many secrets from the public—especially about her turbulent marriage and its impact on her career. There have been plenty of rumors about what Hillary and Bill Clinton did behind closed doors, but never a definitive book that exposes the truth.

Bestselling author Edward Klein draws on rare access to inside sources to reveal what Hillary knew and when she knew it during her years as first lady, especially during her husband’s impeachment. Klein’s book, embargoed until publication, will break news about the choices and calculations she has made over the years. It will also prove that she lied to America in her bestselling autobiography Living History.

When she was just a little girl, Hillary Rodham dreamed of becoming the first female president, and her lifelong dream is almost within reach. But just as the swift boat veterans convinced millions of voters that John Kerry lacked the character to be president, Klein’s book will influence everyone who is sizing up the character of Hillary Clinton.

About the Author
Edward Klein is the author of The Kennedy Curse; Farewell, Jackie; and several other New York Times bestsellers. He is also the former foreign editor of Newsweek and former editor in chief of The New York Times Magazine. He is a frequent contributor to Vanity Fair and Parade.

Somebody needs to introduce this man to George W. Bush

And every pansy democrat lite is pounding Howard Dean.

I say Al Gore should say something today about Dean. Al and Dean against the world.

We should keep track of those that put Dean down
John Edwards
Joe Leiberman
Barack Obama
John Edwards
Hillary Clinton
Joe Biden


They should be focussed on impeaching Bush, not putting their own head down.
Shame on them all.

Al should speak up defending Dean.

Defend Dean?....you must be crazy....Howard Dean is a liability for the party more than anything.
Move away from Dean and start searching for VP pick somewhere else.

I have read, although I forgot where that in his short tenure Howard Dean has already broken the record in raising money for the Democratic Party.

Yes Dean has raised more than any other chair in history: http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/6/2/85226/67718

However, we still are trailing the Repubs by a wide margin: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertn...n20050507.shtml

Instead, the DNC was outraised by the RNC $34 million to $16.7 million in the first quarter – following the 2004 cycle where the DNC actually raised more. Big donors are leaving in droves. The antics (helpful anthology here) that seemed refreshing and out-of-the-ordinary on the campaign trail are now grating and uncouth. And the DNC's web site still sucks, its blog has remained essentially unchanged since the election; gone is the excitement of Blog for America, in is the quaint charm of a major party weblog with 1, 3, and 7 comments respectively on its last three substantive posts. So much for the Internet Candidate™.

James Carville got it exactly right; the above quote is eerily prescient. Running for President is nothing like running the DNC, and if you don't understand this, then you're a perpetually tone-deaf hack who thinks that the housewife in Keokuk, Iowa has nothing better to do than pay attention to internal party machinations forty two months before the next Presidential election. Indeed, Dean's tenure thus far looks nothing like those heady campaign months of fundraising bats and Sleepless Summers.

Just why is this?

Four months of Dean have made it abundantly clear that DFA's initial success organizationally was due to the brilliance and tech-savvy of Joe Trippi, Mathew Gross, Zephyr Teachout, et al. They are the ones who constructed this narrative of a grassroots movement, of a community more important than the candidate, and in the process-driven, fundraising-mad pre-primary period, it was enough to deflect attention away from Dr. Dean's fatal personality flaws. Simply by running the first four miles of the campaign marathon as a sprint, they appeared to be far ahead of everyone else; what they actually did – and this was brilliant while it lasted – is simply fast-forward the process, while the other candidates were playing the inside game of fundraising and endorsements, Dean was playing the crowds as you would in late October, and this made it seem like he was playing on a bigger stage.

Dean at the DNC is Dean without Trippi, Dean without the 15,000 person crowds (who can normally be counted upon to drown out the errant shriek), Dean minus the Movement. As it turned out, Dean was perfectly programmed to succeed in that in-between period (2003) where the activists are paying attention, but when the general public has yet to tune in. Once they did tune in, and the focus turned to personality over process, Dean flopped. The Dean chairmanship now is effectively the bookend to the Dean Scream. Now, virtually no one is tuned in – a development aided by keeping Dean in hiding for most of his chairmanship – which means that not even the activists feel vested in his leadership or committed to supporting him when he screws up.

Dean is also a victim of his own success. When he first arrived on the scene, leading Democrats were falling over each other to support the Iraq war, which made Dean's appeal unique. (His "What I want to know" DNC remarks in February '03 left me swearing he'd be the frontrunner before this was all over.) Today, every Democrat is anti-Iraq, and even Joe Biden is sounding like Dean. And when everyone is Howard Dean, the original doesn't seem all that necessary or appealing anymore.

Read more here: http://www.patrickruffini.com/archives/200...e_is_dean_1.php

If you look back in early 2005 and late 2004, James and I both said what Carville is saying now about Dean. Trippi was the mastermind of his campaign and that running for an office is different than being Chairman. Now I love Dean as much as anyone when he gets fired up and goes after Republicans. However, he also has to get the job done in the key areas. Thus far, I just don't see him doing that.

I support Howard Dean. I don't wanna hear any more democrats playing repug-lite and caving in. :mad: Howard Dean is an excellent man and worked his ass off on the Kerry and Obama campaigns and now Obama's turned out to be just another pushover democrat, criticizing Dean.

Wow, Chris :coolwink: . . . you're turning into quite the hunk [earthmother blushes an unattractive shade of red].

LOL, thanks EM! You are embarassing me now! :) You know you have always been one of my favorite ladies!

Now, to GF: It doesn't matter if you like Dean or not. If he is doing a poor job, you should call him out on it. As I said, I love it when he bashes the Repubs. However, there is a time and place for it. Also, his fundraising is falling far behind the Republicans, which is not good. I predicted this would happen, however, I was hoping it wouldn't happen.

Is it me, or is it getting hot in here? :lol:

And to get back to the original topic of this thread . . . does anyone know what lie they're referring to when they say, "It [Klein's book] will also prove that she lied to America in her bestselling autobiography Living History."?

I have to agree with Chris here. Dean needs to learn where and when to pick his battles. Being DNC Chairman doesn't mean always being the chief attack dog. I'm amused that the man who said Dems need to reach out to white christain southerners over a year ago, now derides the GOP of being the party of white christians. When he makes comments like that it just hurts his credibility and makes it sound like he'll say anything to attack.

I think he's doing a good job. It's nice to have a dem who speaks for the people for a change. I'm sick of pushover beltways dems cowering to the republicans. Howard Dean tells it like it is, and people want that. He's spent recourses building bases in red states. His job is not to play nice. We've lost too many times trying that. We need to let the people know in plain and simple words that the only people republicans care about are corporate sharks like the owners of Wal Mart and GE. After we lost the 04, in the White House, House, and Senate, we (dems) were feeling down. Howard Dean's charisma, plain-talking, and caring heart lifted us up and gave hope. Other than Dennis Kucinich (who didn't run for party chair anyway), I can't think of a better person for party chair. Fundraising will shape up in time.

This backstabbing and disrespect that dems are giving Howard Dean makes me SICK.

It amazes me how much Deaniacs have become like Bush sycophants. The hell with what's best for America. The hell with what's best for the party. The hell with trying to uphold any kind of moral or ethical princple. The hell with even looking at the facts or record to make an intelligent assessment of the situation. Just a strange Hitlarian cult of personality and defend my guy and his demagoguery at any cost mentality.

If these people are so offended by Dems attacking other Dems, why didn't object when Dean ran one of the dirtiest & dishonest smear campaigns in the history of Democratic Presidential primaries. He lied so many times about his opponents, he had to repeatedly apologize to them. He even lied about his own record. One of the most conservative Dem Governors in history and he has the nerve to rob Paul Wellstone's grave saying he's from the 'Democratic wing of the Democratic Party'.

The job of the DNC chairman is to raise money and plot strategy for the next election. It is not going around the country shooting his mouth off like some political version of Don Rickles.

The GOP is raising money at twice the rate of the Dems. This does not bode well for the 2006 elections. If you want the Dems to fight Bush, they need to have more seats in Congress. Adding to the poison of the political discourse in this country won't accomplish that.

I keep thinking of Tom Dashle. Rush Limbaugh and every other Right-Wing talking head launched a relentless attack to the point he and his family received death threats. But did any of these people lift a finger to defend him? No. They left him twisting in the wind. If you want the Dems in Congress to show some backbone you have to have their backs. Has any of these people done anything to support the Dems in congress over the filibuster fight or even yesterday's shameful events during the House judiciary committee. I'm sure not. They're too busy worrying about poor Howie.

You are right James. When Dean opens his mouth like he has in the past few weeks, he helps no one. I know for a fact, that Harold Ford Jr., whom I will be working for on his 2006 Senate bid, doesn't like it. As Chair he has to set a national strategy and raise money. However, right now he isn't doing either. From my view point it is Harry Reid who is setting our current agenda.

I would advise Dean to do what he does best; fire up the base and raise money. However, don't do it by saying dumb or false things. If he can't do that, I would hope other leaders will step up and confront him or look elsewhere for leadership.

I confess I've had my head up my butt the last few weeks because of all the end-of-year stuff for my son and graduation and everything. What shameful events happened yesterday?

House Judiciary Chairman Walks Out of Heated Hearing
Rep. Sensenbrenner, a Republican, cuts off a meeting on the Patriot Act's constitutionality.
From Associated Press

June 11, 2005

WASHINGTON — The Republican House Judiciary Committee chairman walked off with the gavel Friday, leaving Democrats shouting into turned-off microphones at a raucous hearing on the Patriot Act.

The hearing, with the two sides accusing each other of being irresponsible and undemocratic, came as President Bush was urging Congress to renew the sections of the post-Sept. 11 counter-terrorism law set to expire in September.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.), chairman of the panel, abruptly gaveled the meeting to an end and walked out, followed by other Republicans. Sensenbrenner said that much of the testimony, which veered into debate over the detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was irrelevant.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) protested, raising his voice as his microphone went off, came back on, and went off again.

"We are not besmirching the honor of the United States; we are trying to uphold it," he said.

Democrats had asked for the hearing, the 11th the committee has held on the act since April, saying past hearings had been too slanted toward witnesses who supported the law. The four witnesses were from groups, including Amnesty International USA and the American Immigration Lawyers Assn., that had questioned the constitutionality of some aspects of the act, which allows law enforcement greater authority to investigate suspected terrorists.

Nadler said Sensenbrenner, an author of the Patriot Act, was "rather rude, cutting everybody off in midsentence with an attitude of total hostility."

Tempers flared when Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) accused Amnesty International of endangering the lives of Americans in uniform by calling the prison at Guantanamo Bay a "gulag." Sensenbrenner didn't allow the Amnesty representative, Chip Pitts, to respond until Nadler raised a "point of decency."

Sensenbrenner's spokesman, Jeff Lungren, said the hearing had lasted two hours and that "the chairman was very accommodating, giving members extra time."

James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, speaking after Sensenbrenner left, voiced dismay over the proceedings. "I'm troubled about what kind of lesson this gives" to the rest of the world, he told Democrats remaining in the room.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco said in a statement that the hearing was an example of Republican abuse of power and that she would ask House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) to order an apology from Sensenbrenner.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...ack=2&cset=true

:o

:o :mad:

It just gets worse and worse. Why are they getting away with this? Where's the outrage? Where's the public outcry? Where are the rest of the Dems. on the Hill?

The problem is not the Dems on the Hill. There were plenty of them on Air America complaining about this on Friday.

The problem is the media's refusal to cover this and other important stories. When I did a google search there were only five stories about this. There are only about 20 or so stories about the Downing Street Memo. The media is just bending over backwarks to placate the right.

I heard a great quote about all this

And who, may I ask, said those great words?

Exactly. Bullshit like the Michael Jackson story, that has no significance on our lives and is none of our business, dominates their airwaves, yet imporant stories are ignored. The American media is a disgrace.

Right now it is the missing girl in Aruba. Sorry, but that really doesn't concern me, so can we move on to something more substansive?

Sen. Hillary Clinton

Aahh . . . interesting . . .

It sounded very Gore-like to me.

In the "name" of fairness I cleaneth out this "gar-bage" Oui?... :french:

This "trash" has been cleaned out... :dance:

I've been away for a while. What the hell happened here?

No James, I am not trying to pick a fight with you...but don't go "pigeon-holing" me as a Deaniac just because I may say something "good" about Howard Dean...I would say the same thing about John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, or ANY Democrat! I am not going to continue to engage in "counter-productive" fights over individuals who are NOT Al Gore! All I do know is this, Mr. Gore endorsed Dr. Dean in 2003 for the 2004 race...therefor I deduce that Mr. Gore and Dr. Dean have a "good" relationship...but it never fails that when I try to be at least a"little" POSITIVE about the situation you make me feel that I shouldn't have opened my mouth at all! :blink:

As I said because I can't say anything BAD about any Democrat, and because I find these discussions about Hillary Clinton & Howard Dean seem to lead to no "good" end then I am going to refrain from discussion on the subject at all. :Y:


Has anyone seen Josh lately? I like having Josh around because he is very helpful to me for getting the "positive" ball rolling! I am just getting "sick & tired" of the whole Clinton--Dean---Clarke--Kerry rivalry and I need some POSTIVE work to be done! JOSH PURPLE WHERE ARE YOU!
:!:

James post whatever you want! You can rest assured that I am NOT getting into this subject anymore! If it isn't "unifying" then I'll have nothing to do with it...and to me ANY discussion that doesn't involve AL GORE is "disunifying"...but don't classify me as a Deaniac just because I may say something "positive" about Howard Dean...I say "positive" things about a LOT of Democrats!...It's either that or join a Third Party which to me is a waste of time...Sorry James! Now pardon me while I go clean up my mess! :Y:

Okay, a gentle admonition here from earthmother, Paraclete. I think the trouble isn't so much what you say as the fact that you direct it at a particular person. The only way to keep the peace on these boards is to address the issue, not the person. Tempers run high, everyone's passionate about something, and unless we can discuss things without getting personal, we won't be able to discuss things at all.

We all hope you'll continue to post here and to discuss these issues that are so important to all of us. And it's inevitable that some toes will get tromped on from time to time (it happens to me all the time), but all we can do is try to be careful about it.

Also, it's worth pointing out that James is one of the people on this board who keeps crying out for unity and is very much against all the in-fighting that divides Democrats. So discuss away . . .

earthmother, I would rather have a POSITIVE discussion with James about AL GORE than get "mired" in all this "other Democrat" side issue stuff...There's tooo much of it going on at the Newsboards, and I just want to try to stay clear of it! I don't WANT to discuss Hillary or Howard or whoever anymore...it always leads to a conflict and I always seem to end up on the "wrong" side no matter WHO I pick...so you know what?..I admit it ...I AM A SYCOPHANT!...BUT I AM AN AL GORE SYCOPHANT!...Why? Because HE accepts the fact that we ALL tend to disagree!...BUT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON AL! OK? :clap:

James, whether I like Howard or not...I DO have to hope that he will "improve" things...after what McAuliffe & the DLC did in 2002 & 2004 I HAVE TO HOPE DEAN WILL DO SOMETHING POSITIVE WHETHER I LIKE HIM OR NOT BECAUSE HE IS HEADING THE DNC NOW!...If NOT then why even "try" to hope we will ever see daylight in 2006 & 2008? That's all I have to say for now...Please don't get on me for trying to be "optimistic"...I mean it "beats" reality right now! :tongue:

Sorry for taking it personally James! Gotta go to work! I will finish cleaning up later!....TA! :Y:

I've decided to lock this topic. No one was responding to the original post anyway. Let's just start over with something else . . .