http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/2008strategy.html

This is what James wrote about a week ago. I also added some things to it. The link is on our front page now.

Chris

Excellent Chris. :clap:

Thanks, but those ideas and thoughts are all yours!

Okay, a couple of questions. Your piece (which was very well written, although I disagree with a few of your assertions) basically lists two things we can do now: 1) Find out whom Gore supports for head of the DNC and then inundate state party officials with letters supporting that person; and 2) Organize to let Gore know we want him to run in '08.

So here's my question: How do we do either of those things? Will Gore make public whom he supports to head up the DNC? And if so, will he do it in time for us to try to influence those who make the decision? We would need to be mobilized to spring into action immediately for this to be effective, and I don't see anything like that underfoot. The opportunity will come and go if we're not prepared, and I don't believe we're prepared because there's no one at the helm calling the shots.

Regarding the second issue, of organizing to let Gore know we want him to run, same problem as with the first. We are NOT organized. We are many groups of individuals kind of hanging around all over the place, waiting for direction. There's no mass movement of people writing to Gore. There's no mass movement of people writing to state officials. People aren't doing much besides checking in on these boards from time to time. If we allow this to continue, we will be just as ineffective as we were last time around. I don't know what the answer is, but it seems to me we need more organization, more direction, more than just words on a message board laying out vague strategies.

Don't get me wrong--I think you've taken a good first step in laying out your thoughts. But I don't see any mobilization to action. Someone needs to fire up the troops, lay down a real plan with tangible steps, get the addresses of people we need to write to, etc. This is what PFG did rather effectively months ago. Unfortunately, it was too little too late. But we know how to do it when we need to. What we need is a leader, direction, and a real plan. I don't see any of those things materializing. How do we make it happen?

More important- DOES Al Gore want to run for President or has he actually
got it out of his blood?

With the total ZERO percent lack of interest from the DNC it seems to me
that if Al wants to run, no one is going to hand it to him, AND he will need
at least THREE years to do it.

It would have to be a total commitment, especially if Dame Hillary is going for it (and all signs are pointing toward her being coronated in 2008)

So Al or John Kerry or Howard Dean all would have to band together EARLY

Or is this all a pipe dream like it was last time.
Once Al said NO, in reality he meant NO, it appeared

Last time we had hints and whispers, this is going to happen, that is, when in reality nothing happened.
Harsh? Well, I feel like I have been beaten over the head with a 2x4 and I don't like the feeling that the DNC has used us all.

I don't think what you're saying is harsh. Every word is true. And James and Chris both acknowledge in what they wrote that there's no sense in trying to DRAFT Gore. As we learned last time, if he says no, we have to assume he means no. So no one's proposing anything other than letting Gore know that there's still a lot of interest out there in him running. If he thinks he won't have any support, then he would obviously be less inclined to even make the "hints and whispers" you refer to.

We have no idea if he could be coaxed into running again or if maybe he's already determined that he will or will not run. But if we want to see him in the White House, then it's worth our effort to let him know, en masse, that we want him there in '08.

I know my opinion is probably worthless, but we have to somehow let PRESIDENT AL GORE know how much we need him NOW and in 2008. He should not be ignored for the next two years, than it might be too late. It obvious THIEF BUSH stole this election and it doesn't look like that will change, so we might as well look to 2008 and I'll never stop saying it, PRESIDENT AL GORE is our only hope for the future.

Don't put yourself down like that, AGIML. We are all important in this fight, and we all have something to offer.

It has to be done, we have to convince Al Gore that he is America's basically
LAST hope.

But if/when he does run, it has to be a race that Al runs from the heart
(same as if Kerry would run again)
And he has to show the public, he doesn't care what the professionals say
and that means all of the DNC and any Hillary person.(and everyone else
with their own greedy self-intrests and motives).

In spite of them.

The public would be there by the tens of millions, only they just don't know it.
Becuase of all the darn spin, they consider Al as someone from the past

Do you know (I am sure you do)...we here all watched and listened to all his speeches, but most people don't even know he made them.

(And the stupid spin and manipulation...

Just makes everything so phony. I am so down on politics and the way it is just
a game to most of the country, and something they can bet on like fantasy football.

Maybe we need to re-start emailing newspapers, and reporters with letters to editor and telling them how Gore still has mass support

If he had entererd New Hampshire or any of the other primaries, he would have blown the field away...what a waste

If you have read any of my bloated posts on Kerry board, one thing I have constantly said is
Al Gore sleeps well at night, because it all came from the heart, and he did
more than the best he could do, and did it all the correct way.
That is always what makes it hurt for us, that he did it the right way

I brought back out my re-elect al gore button, changing the 4 to an 8.
I am going to wear it each and every day for the next 3 years.
I am already getting smiles and thumbs up...so you know the public is still there
(they always were.)

I agree with everything you say here 100%.

Thanks E.M., I just feel so down in the dumps after another rigged election and my failure to convert a few BWT'S even though it wouldn't have changed anything out here, the west coast went for Kerry. I'm glad I live in a blue state. Another four years of the thief is just so depressing. Any more news on the recount in Ohio??? I have been avoiding the news pretty much since Bush stole this election.

I know what you mean. I did the same thing in 2000. I followed the whole post-election thing minute-by-minute until the SCOTUS handed down its horrible decision that ended it all. Then I didn't watch any news at all for months. Missed the whole inauguration with its protests and everything. I'm going into hibernation again now. I just can't stand seeing that guy's ugly, smug mug on the TV.

I got an email saying that this is not the time to rest. I agree. I am just bummed out and was taking a breather. I really want to know if Al Gore has really said "NO." If he has, it is over!

Of course, I want Al Gore to be in the White House. I spent months and months in 2001 with nightmares. And, guess what! All nightmares came true. I don't wish Bush well. Other than national security issues, no Democrat better support him. And, I mean it. I want all his agenda rejected.

Now, Al Gore's best chance was in 2004 with Terry McAuliffe. What happens now? Donna Brazile has said NO to DNC chair. Al Gore is a good candidate. But, if we start calling Hillary Clinton names or poke fun at Kerry, I am not going to be part of this. For goodness sake, 2000 ticket I wanted was Gore-Kerry.

Gore-Byah is a bad ticket. Byah is a softie and I agree with Nader there. Vlasic is better than him. Bill Richardson, a great man, will not cut it at the top level in 2008.

What is the ticket that will strengthen Gore? Gore-Obama, Gore-Fienstein, Gore-Biden. For a Gore-Obama ticket, we will have to wait till 2012 or 2016. A long wait!

So, is Vlasik or Dean asDNC chair good for Gore?

anti-bush-
First, Terry McAuliffe is NOT a friend of Al Gore. He is a friend of Bill Clinton who is NOT a friend of Al Gore so to say. Bill Clinton wants Hillary.

If we want Al, we need him to just do it.

Gore-Obama can be in 2012. Obama is older than Harold Ford (who was too young in 2004 for the vice president. ) Why wait.

I am so down with the DNC, who sold Al out, that i really am thinking of in protest temporarily chucking my Dem membership -they need to earn my vote back

I really feel used by this election.You won't see me make fun of Kerry-he would have made a fine Veep choice in 2000.
I will make fun of Joe though. He is a turncoat.

I am just so frustrated that to me the party does not seem to care about any of us at this point.(Of course, if they really did, they would have begged Al to run.)

And Al's endorsement of Howard Dean was pure genius. That showed them.

That is what we need as a President. Someone with ideas, not a follower.
Still very depressed, and feel very violated too with what happened.

I just wish to remind you all that it is not to Al Gore to say if he want to be a president, it is for us to show him that we want him to be our president. In history, president Dwight Eisenhower was drafted, after he said several times that he would not run, but the people in that time didn’t accept a no, and they got him. The reality today, is that people really bought into the terrible campaign the republican did to discredit Al Gore, in addition to the power struggle within the DNC. More than a year ago, being at a democratic gathering in D.C. campaigning for Al Gore, a very important person from Hillary’s staff, in confidence say to me what we all know, that the DNC was not worry about loosing the elections because they wanted Hillary for 2008. Everyone knows how heart breaking must have been for Al Gore that not even one Senator back him up to protest the 2000 elections result. But again, it is to the people, and THE PEOPLE USUALLY HAVE THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE… :(

This is kind of sad, but I have to admit it to be truth. I find that nobody seems to stand by the DECENT man in any walk of life, but holy s**t, the EVIL have them lined up a mile long. It is really horrible life is like that. It pisses me off to no end that a great and almost perfect man like PRESIDENT AL GORE gets snubbed by these shallow good for nothings. I don't get it, is it stupidity, is it jealousy or are they just lowlifes like those on the other side??? AL GORE in 2008 or we are in for another rigged and stolen election and that will be doom for the whole world.

Al Gore will not be drafted. We have tried. And we have failed. Al Gore must decide what he wants to do. We can, and should, show him how badly we want and need him to run. But we can't force him into this race if it's not what he wants to do. The days of being able to draft people, as Ike was drafted, are long gone. Politics is very different now from what it was in the fifties. Powerful organizations run the show. We the people SHOULD be able to nominate our own candidate, but it doesn't work that way, and we would be naive to think that we could pull off something like a true draft in this day and age, particularly of a man who has already won the presidency once, which Al Gore has.

We should be loud and firm about our desire for Gore to run, but if he chooses not to, I believe we have to respect that decision.

He does stand firm on his word. But he has not said no yet and I have to believe there is some hope for him to run next time. The election is not even a month old. He won't announce anything for a while.

Yes there is no draft this time. Our job is to build support in the next few years and have Al to make a decesion based on our work. That is the plan.

Oh, and in response to someone asking if Gore has already said no, that is not the case. We also don't want him or expect him to comment within the next two years. He will more than likely make his decesion in 2 years.

PS: I will see and talk to the big guy this Wednesday!

[QUOTE=libekunz,Nov 19 2004, 07:11 PM]
THE PEOPLE USUALLY HAVE THE GOVERNMENT THEY DESERVE…

Please don't say so. As I am from Germany I can tell you: Even the Germans did not deserve Hitler! Especially not the (German) Jews, the (German) Social Democrats, the Commuinists, the homosexuals, the Gypsies, the handicapped and all the other countless people who perished horribly in the concentration camps together with their foreign pals.
Hitler had a minority behind him when he came to power! Many people underestimated him then - that is for sure - but that doesn't mean in return that people therefore all deserved what he'd done. NO! Many lost their lives figthing against the regime or simply refusing to cooperate.

You may now argue that you said "usually". But I think they usually DON'T have the government they deserve! Look at Iraq! Look at Iran! Look at South Africa in the Eighties! For us living in democracies it might be quite clear that we vote and therefore determine our fate. But I don't even have to remind you of 2000. Besides, I think the most of the Republican voters are good willing people who just want the best for them and their country. But - usually - you can't blame them for not realizing things in a way you do, can you?

Kerstin, the non nazis in the German parliment in the early 1930's had the opportunity to stop Hitler and they refused to do so. A terrible price was paid by everyone you mentioned in your post along with the rest of the world. Sadly, the current leadership of the democratic party in the U.S.is following in those terrible footsteps with their refusal to stop Bush's theft of the 2000 election that started this nightmare and for their refusal to hold Bush accountable for his disasterous policies since. Our country is suffering terribly and needlessly because of it and I fear that our country is headed down the same terrible road that Germany went down in the 1930's. Part of my ancestory is German so I feel strongly about what's happenng now.

I see, Gore 2008.

I very much sense the despair in your words, and believe me: I feel with you! But to a certain extent I'm also very happy that many Americans like you realize the danger of a coming dictatorship.

It's true, the parties of the "Weimarer Republic" could have prevented Hitler. And many members of them really wanted that. But they did not agree about the way. Especially the Socialists split into Communists and Social Democrats. One point of the main conflict was the question: How much violence is allowed to wipe away a violent movement?

If they cheat, does it require to cheat better? If they manipulate elections: Should we blow them away? Or manipulate more cleverly? Or try our best and continue genuine work?

The lack of a concept made it very easy for the Nazis. They spread some intrigues so that Hitler was able to execute all his possible competitors in the end and that was that.


We learn: Politics is a lot more about tactics, bribe and personal interests than we want it to be.
We must face and cope with the fact that this diagnosis always will help selfish ignorants, and therefore we cannot always keep them from power, or, to my theory, in the fewest cases.
But that mustn't mean that we fall into despair, always complain about the unfairness of life and stop working against it. That would be the biggest favor we could do to those ignorants.

One needs a long breathe and courage if one REALLY wants to change something POSITIVELY for ALL your people.

Let's try to have it.