I beleive we will be facing John McCain in 2008 so we need a candidate of equal or better statue and celebrated national profile. Gore meets this requirement and he has proven that he can beat the very skilled and well-oiled vote rigging Bush/Rove machinary. He needs a moderate running mate from the mid-west or south. A moderate who is popular at home with his constituents and also has a national profile. Sen Evan Bayh is the person. He is a moderate democrat and just won a land-slide reelection in heavily republican Indiana. He was also governor there for 8 years before joining the senate in 1998. With a guy like that, we can become instantly competitive in states like Indiana and Missouri, and lock down states like WI, IA, MN, MI and OH. And not have to worry too much about the hard core southern red states. One minor thing though. I think Gore will have to get a heavy physical make-over, loose some weight, look fresh, enegetic and ready to get down to work for the people. This way he might be able to escape being the butt of latenight jokers.

Yannick M.
Pittsburgh/PA

Well, I think Gore's going to be the butt of late-night jokers no matter what he looks like, but that's just the way it is. No question Gore is the best man for the job, regardless of how heavy or thin he is (btw, I LOVED him with his beard). But of course, a more youthful, healthful looking Gore would sell better.

I like Bayh a lot, but I don't know that much about him. Only time will tell who will be best when '08 finally rolls around. I remember saying to myself after selection 2000 that I only had to wait four years and then Gore would be President. Now we've got to wait another looooooooong four years, and even then, we don't know that he's going to run.

As for John McCain, not that I wish anything bad on the guy--I like and respect him, even if I don't agree with a lot of his views--but don't forget that he has melanoma and has been operated on several times because of it. I'm not saying he won't survive this--I hope he does--but it might make him less of a viable candidate in the eyes of the American public, especially depending on where he is with the disease come '08. I know John Kerry had prostate cancer, but it's less visible and also less deadly than melanoma. I feel bad even talking about this, but it is reality, and it may play into McCain's viability as a candidate for '08. Also, we could do a lot worse than McCain as President, as we've seen with the idiot in the White House now.

My uncle died of melanoma back in 89. Had it about four years before he died. Horrible. I am so sorry to hear McCain has this..it is a devastating cancer.

Isn't John McCain getting kind of old??? Anybody know his age???

Answered my own question. John McCain was born August 29, 1936, making him 68 years old and 72 years old in 2008. Alittle too old to run, I would think???

As a democrat, I would never vote for any repub, but I have to say that as a US Navy veteran from the Vietnam War era (1970-79) John McCain is like a hero to me. If anyone ever heard of the massive fire onboard the USS Forestal during the war, (a little before my time, though, since I'm only 53), McCain was personally involved in it. (During flight operations aboard the Forrestal in a combat situation, a fire mysteriously got started in or near McCain's jet with him inside it. The fire spread to several bombs and missiles lying around the flight deck waiting to be loaded aboard jets, creating massive explosions everywhere. A huge amount of men were killed. The incident was so devastating and emotional, the Navy used the video of it to train every fire fighting and damage control class, probably to this day. During the height of the inferno a Chief Petty Officer was taped running into the middle of a huge fireball with nothing but a fire extinguisher in his hand to try and save a pilot cought in his plane. I don't think either of them survived but the rumor was he recieved the medal of honor for his efforts. Everyone seeing this incident was brought to tears by the unimaginable heroism of the crew of the Forrestal. (forever-after nicknamed the USS Forest Fire). I always thought that if I ever met McCain I would first tell him how honored I was to meet a fellow "shipmate" who had survived this incident and then I would salute him. Just imagine what this man (and many others like him) went through during that war: This horror was even BEFORE his years as a POW in N. Vietnam). I also think that with a life like this, my problems in the world are nothing.

Anyway, sorry for the history lesson. McCain, like many other men of his kind, is a true hero for America -- but I could not vote for him. Forget about him ever being president, even if he wanted to. The talking heads I've been hearing lately all seem to be talking about Rudi Guiliani anyway.

I know a hero, and Rudi ain't one -- not like McCain!!

-- Thom :Y:

Good post. I actually have respect for McCain. He is one of the few Repubs to serve and has been spit on and trashed for it by the Bushies. However, I feel he would be a bad President. There are just some people who you can see being a good President and McCain is not one of them. However, I can see another former Vietnam vet being a great President!

Oh, please, not Giuliani! :o

Rule of thumb: Southerners won't vote for someone who is Italian or someone who's name is over 5 letters long and they can't spell.

Sorry Rudy.

I agree about Rudi, just cause they're talking about him doesn't mean he could win. Now if he ran against Al Gore, we'd win for sure. :good:

No republiTHUG is a hero to me, remember they all voted for THIEF BUSH and daddy Bush. PRESIDENT AL GORE is my only hero, that will never change. I don't think there is a better, more decent human being walking the face of the earth or ever has been or ever will be, than PRESIDENT AL GORE.

No Bayh! Bayh is currently the Congressional dem figurehead of the anti Gore, sweep the stolen 2000 election under the rug and impersonate repugs DLC. No more DLC either. It's the DLC's roll over and play dead strategy that's put our country in such a terrible mess. As for McCain, he sold out our contry for the republican party. After what the election stealng Bsh and his goons did to McCain in the 2000 repug primary, there's no way that McCain should've supported Bush the thief. In addition, McCain's not the moderate that the pro Bush media has made him out to be either.

You're right about that, Gore2008, especially the part about McCain not being the moderate he's been pictured as. I find him to be likable and respectable as far as his personality and also his heroism. But the fact remains that his positions are quite right of center, and he also remained loyal to Bush to the extent of heading up his election campaign in Arizona. But many Americans, both Repugs and Dems., like McCain a lot, and he would be a tough candidate to beat.

As for Bayh, I rather liked his father, Birch, who wrote the 26th Amendment, which gave 18 year olds the right to vote. He was also the author of the Equal Rights Amendment. I kind of figured Evan followed in his father's footsteps. As I said in a previous post, I don't know that much about Evan. What makes you say he's anti-Gore?

Bayh is a very good guy. I recently wrote him a letter and within a week he replied and sent an autographed photo. After that I sent him a thank you for the letter and photo and within another week he sent me a thank you for my thank you!

Very nice and personable guy.

I think he would complement Gore nicely.

Earthmother, you need to understand that Evan Bayh isn't his father. In my previous post, I specifically pointed out that Evan Bayh has been the congressional dem figurehead of the DLC for the last3 years. Again, you need to understand that it was the DLC who blocked Al Gore from running in 2004 and it was the DLC who developed the sweep the stolen 2000 election under the rug and don't fight back against the Bush election stealers strategy that was such a disaster in both the 2002 and 2004 elections. It's vital that you understand this. In addition, Evan Bayh has a weak record on the important issue of womens reproductive rights. Chris, it really worries me that you would decide that someoe would be a good running mate for Al Gore because they sent you an autographed picture. There's much more to it than that. Finally, I think this talk about a running mate needs to stop. We're getting way ahead of ourselves. This time we're in now needs to be spent being patient and getting organized for the future. I don't see anything happening on the organzing front. Instead, we're wasting valuable time and energy debating hypotheticals that don't exist. This isn't the way to proceed.

Where did I say Bayh would make a good running mate for Al because he sent me an autographed photo? I said he was a very nice and personable guy. I like him even before he sent the letters and photo, that is why I wrote to him in the first place. He would be perfect for Gore. Face it, if Gore runs again you can't pick a wacky liberal to be his running mate. He will have to pick a moderate like Lieberman from last time. Bayh has not been a rumber stamp for this administration as much as you would like to say he has either. He and Gore would make a great team that would appeal to a wide variety of voters.

Gary Hart is a heavyweight political philosopher and his new book is called "The Fouth Power: A Grand Strategy for the United States in the Twenty-First Century" See the link
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...=books&n=507846

He is interesting party to run with Pres. Gore in 2008. He was on Air America Radio recently and said that bibilical concepts do not justify pre-emptive war on unarmed nation and turning back on needy. I realize the times are different, the world is upside down, moral values are distorted, and serious policymakers are being gradually replaced with sound-biters and puppets of corporate interests. Al Gore's new steps towards creating an environmentally concerned hedge fund in London goes to show that he is potentially looking for alternative avenues to politics to bring about changes to the world.

My salute goes to third party candidates and Mr. Ralph Nader for taking concrete steps to ensure every vote is counted in Ohio and moving in direction of voting process reform in this country. I can't believe that private ownership of voting system is acceptable to people. What is next? Privatized military -- with U.S. marines and army soldiers wearing corporate sponsored patches on uniform from Haliburton, Enron, and Marlboro?

Finally, on environment, please check out http://www.ecotalk.net for tons of resources. If you have a powerful computer that needs a job, go to http://climatepredicion.net and help run the experiment. It has Windows and Linux versions for download. My Linux computer has been running it with low priority, so it does not interfere with other tasks.

I completely agree with you, Gore2008...

Thanks for your upport greeneyedemocrat. Chris, you need to take a look at the last line from your previous post. Your line, "I think he would compliment Gore nicely" clearly means to me that you would support a Gore/Bayh ticket. Sorry but again I say No Bayh. Bayh's leadership of the anti Gore and don't fight back DLC should disqulify him. In addition, Bayh has a weak record on protecting women's reproductive rights whch is a huge issue for women. Kerry's silence on this issue cost him dearly. For the record, Kerry was the moderate, don't fight back dem candidate and he was a disaster because his don't fight back srategy alienated a big portion of the dem party base who saw no difference between Kerry and Bush because Kerry wouldn't stand up for we the people. The last thing we need is to continue this clearly failed strategy that's been such a disaster and the darling of the Bayh led, repug impersonating DLC. Furthermore, I think all of the time and energy being wasted debating the running mate issue is diverting this group from what really needs to be done at this time which is to organize for the future.

I did mean that I would support a Gore/Bayh ticket, however, I didn't say I supported it because he sent me an autographed photo.

Also, Bayh isn't what you say he is. Gore himself was a member of the DLC so it must not be that bad. Also Bayh has the same positions Gore does on abortion. Bayh favors a woman's right to chose, however, opposes partial birth abortion. He also has been one of the leading proponents of stem cell research. He would help Gore a lot.

First of all Chris, Al Gore has publically sad that he's distanced himself from the DLC. It also needs to be noted that during Bayh's time as the congressional dem figrehead of the DLC, the DLC blocked Al Gore from rightfully running for re-election in 2004 and it developed the sweep the stolen 2000 election under the rug and don't fight back against the Bush election stealers strategy tha's now been proven to be a disaster in 2 election cycles, 2002 and 2004. For the record, there's no such thing as partial birth abortion. This term is an invention of the anti women fetus worshippers who believe that women are nothing more than disposable government incubators.. You need to understand that most complicatons that threaten the life or future health of the pregnant woman don't occur until the later stages of pregnancy. These are the women who need the right to choose more than ever. Al Gore supports the right of woman whose life or health are threatened by continuing the pregnancy to choose to end the pregnancy. Evan Bayh doesn't. This is a huge difference that's of great importance to women voters of child bearing age as well as olde womn who remember wen women died from illegal abortions in back alleys before Roe vs Wade. Again I ask why in the world this group is continuing to waste time and energy debating this running mate issue when we should be getting organized for the future?

Sorry Chris but the way you worded your original post indicated to me that you did. I can only go by your original words.

Exactly how did they block Gore from running in 2004? You've made this charge several times, as have others. But I've never seen any conclusive evidence that the DLC or DNC took any action to prevent Gore from running. Please present some hard verifiable facts to support your assertion.

James, as the resident shill for the don't fight back dem party leadersgip, your post isn't the least bit surprising. You've been in denial about this and your remain in denial about it. The evidence is overwhelming but you continue to be in denial about it. I'm not going to draw you anymore pictures because you refuse to acknowledge the truth. In addition, your don't fight back dem party leadership is now responsible for 2 election disasters in 2002 and 2004 and you still don't get it. How bad are things going to have to get before you wake up? Had Al Gore been the nominee in 2004 as we the people wanted him to be, Bush would now be on his way back to Texas because Al Gore would've fought back. Al Gore as th only dem at the national lvel to take on Bush while Kerry was nowhere to be found. Kerry was your don't fight back dem party leadership's candidate because they didn't want a candidate who fight back against Bush and he was a disaster. The sweep the 2000 election under the rug and don't fight back against the Bush election stealers strategy was a disaster because it alienated a crucial portion of the dem party base. This was most partclarly true in Florida where otrage about Bush's theft of the stolen 2000 election remains high among the dem party's base whose votes weren't counted in 2000 The result is that Kerry didn't get anywhere near the support of the dem party base that Al Gore had gotten in 2000. Once again you continue your role as the forum disrupter. This forum needs to be spending this time organizing for the future instead of wasting to much time and energy debating a hypothetical running mate senario that doesn't exist.

Now James, if we've told you once we've told you a thousand times . . . quit being a shill and disrupting this forum! :rolleyes:

Also, why haven't you come up with a grand plan yet to get Gore into office in '08? What are you waiting for? This is your job! You continue to be in denial about this whole thing. :lol:

Well if the evidence is so overwhelming you shouldn't have a problem listing some of it. Why instead did you just post the usual vitriol and attacks than citing some hard verifiable facts?

Actually I did a while back http://s8.invisionfree.com/Al_Gore_Support...wtopic=1338&hl= . Unfortunately, some people rather just complain about things and attack than take constructive steps to change things.

James, I've documented the facts about this many times. I'm not going to waste my time going around in circles with you/ I'm really fed up with your refusal to deal with this ugly truth. All you do at this forum is attack Al Gore and anyone who dares to defend him. Instead of focusing on getting organized for the future which is what this group needs to be doing now, you're continuing to waste time and disrupt this group. This is way I complain about you. You've yet to convince me that yu're a real Al Gore supporter and then you get all nasty and defensive when I confront you with the ugly truth. I'll never back down from the ugly truth. You thik your don't fight back dem party leadership is so wonderful but the truth s, our country is in a disaster becaus of their refusal to dend our democracy and fight back against the Bush election stealers. Why don't you just stick your head back in the ground and stop disrupting this forum for real Al Gore supporters so we can plan for the future?

If you documented them many times then it shouldn't be difficult to post a link to where you did so.
I did so to a post where I made proposals for going forward and getting organized for the future. I have yet to hear you make one proposal. All I see is you making more attacks on people like me and Earthmother.
And for the record, I don't need to convince you that I'm a true Gore supporter. The only person I have to convince of that is Chris.

Your words speak for themselves James. All you've ever done is attack Al Gore and then attack me for defending Al Gore from your false attacks. You're a solid supporter of the anti Gore dem party leadership's totally failed strategy of sweepping the stolen 2000 election under the rug and not fighting back against the Bush election stealers. That strategy is a proven disaster but you still support it. I correctly predicted 2 years ago that this already failed strategy would be a disaster for 2004 and it was. Kerry the wim got just what he deserved. Anything you say now is only a shallow attempt to cover your true tracks. I've had lots election campaign experience and I'm very good at identifying the non supporters like you. Your repeated false attacks on Al Gore speak volumes about you. I'll never back down from the truth. it's not my problem that you can't handle the truth. It mst be nice that you ve all day to post to this forum and disrupt it. I don't have that kind of time because I have to go to work.

Oh, right, like James and the rest of us on this board don't work. :rolleyes:

As usual the typical vitriol and personal attacks with nothing to back them up.