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Title: Beheadings in Iraq: Should We Negotiate?


earthmother - September 20, 2004 09:12 PM (GMT)
As they said they would, terrorists in Iraq today beheaded an American citizen.

Should the U.S. negotiate with terrorists when we know our citizens will be beheaded?

http://www.cnn.com/

U.S. captive decapitated


An Islamic Web site Monday showed video of an American hostage, identified as Eugene Armstrong, being beheaded by members of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group, which had demanded the release of women prisoners in Iraq. He is wearing an orange jumpsuit and blindfolded as a man standing behind him says: "Since you didn't release our sisters, here's the first infidel."

ErinB - September 20, 2004 09:32 PM (GMT)
Was just about to post this as well Its beyond horrible. And their demands are basically groundless. If what I read yesterday was true, they are no longer holding any women at Abu Ghraib and the only two they are holding are two women that worked on Saddam's biological weapons program...which does not exist. Anyway, it was the United States that gave Iraq the technology for a bio program during the Iran/Iraq war.

earthmother - September 20, 2004 09:34 PM (GMT)
But it still begs the question: If your loved one, God forbid, were one of the people being held hostage and threatened with being beheaded, would you say that the U.S. should negotiate with the terrorists?

ErinB - September 20, 2004 09:44 PM (GMT)
Interesting. On the one hand, some would say that would just encourage others to do the same thing. However, how can they not try to save these people? If it were my loved one I would want them to negotiate. Also, if they negotiate they can stall for time and perhaps find out where they are.

earthmother - September 20, 2004 09:55 PM (GMT)
Yes, the horrible dilemma. If you negotiate and give them all or some part of what they want, you encourage them to do it again the next time they want something. And if you don't negotiate at all . . . well, we know what happens. It seems to me that, since not negotiating doesn't seem to stop them from taking hostages again and again, maybe we would be better negotiating? I understand that it's a matter of principle, but if it were Bush's daughter being held by the terrorists, what would he do?

SusanBG - September 21, 2004 04:24 AM (GMT)
This is a evil thing. I saw the beheading, and I'm having a hard time breathing, it's just so evil, and emontional. All we can do is pray for these people, and the militants, and Bush. We have to pray for the right things to be done. I don't believe we should be in Iraq, but we are, and it's just so bad. The men who are doing the killing, are very unstable people. It not a part of their religion, or any religion. It's just sick and evil. My heart breaks for the hostages, and their families. You can bet if a member of Bushes family were a hostage, things would be different. All the powerful people in D.C. go home to warm house, and nothing in their lives is so bad, so how could they care. They are apathetic, they just don't care because it not them, or their family.

ALGOREismylife - September 21, 2004 05:34 PM (GMT)
This is horrible, I didn't see it but heard about it, which was bad enough. I blame it all on Bush. He is so hated in most of the world, his evil has made the whole world crazy. I know the world was never perfect, but everyone should wake up, its alot a worse thanks to Bush.

earthmother - September 21, 2004 07:58 PM (GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/21/...ding/index.html

Web site: Zarqawi group claims another American beheaded
CIA: Zarqawi likely voice on beheading video
Tuesday, September 21, 2004 Posted: 3:17 PM EDT (1917 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A group loyal to terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has beheaded a second American, according to a report posted Tuesday on an Islamist Web site.

The report said that the victim was Jack Hensley, a resident of a suburb near Atlanta, Georgia.

U.S. government officials told CNN that they have informed Hensley's family about the news reports, but the government has not been able to confirm that Hensley was killed.

Hensley's wife, Patricia, had made repeated pleas for her husband's life and the lives of his two colleagues also kidnapped in Iraq.

"These were three gentlemen who had absolutely no agenda other than to enrich the lives of the people they were there to help, and to take their lives would serve no real purpose," she said in a Monday interview.

The report of Hensley's killing, which could not be independently confirmed, came a day after the same Web site posted video showed the apparent beheading of his American colleague, Eugene "Jack" Armstrong.

Armstrong was kidnapped on September 16, along with Hensley and Briton Kenneth Bigley.

The kidnappers on Monday issued a 24-hour deadline demanding the U.S. release of Muslim women in Iraq. The men were working on Iraqi reconstruction projects for Gulf Supplies and Commercial Services, a Middle Eastern company.

Before Tuesday's Internet claim, President Bush -- meeting Tuesday with interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said, "We all stand in solidarity with the [remaining] American that is now being held captive."

Allawi, sitting next to Bush, said, "The barbaric action of yesterday is really unbelievable."

After analysis of Monday's beheading video, a CIA official said Tuesday there is "high confidence" the voice on the tape is Zarqawi's, a wanted Jordanian-born terrorist leader.

The CIA routinely conducts a technical analysis of tapes made public by terrorists, and compares the voice with other samples known to be the person in question.

The voice on the tape "matches" that of Zarqawi on other recordings, the official said.

In London, Bigley's brother, Philip Bigley, has asked Prime Minister Tony Blair to take action. "We feel absolutely helpless," said Philip Bigley.

"We do not have the power to save Ken's life. ... The only person we can now beg to help us is the prime minister. Who else can we ask? There is nobody."

A spokesman in Britain's Foreign Office said that Foreign Secretary Jack Straw had spoken with the Bigley family "three or four times, once this morning" but would not go into any details.

Asked about the family's plea for government intervention, the spokesman said that "the government would not change its stance. We do not negotiate with terrorists." U.S. policy is the same.

The Islamic group Unification and Jihad, which claims loyalty to Zarqawi, claimed responsibility for Armstrong's killing. The same al Qaeda-linked group has claimed responsibility for beheading U.S. businessman Nicholas Berg, South Korean translator Kim Sun-il and two Bulgarian hostages.


SusanBG - September 22, 2004 01:59 AM (GMT)
All of this makes me feel very sad, and pissed. We should not be over there in Iraq.

Was the flag not red enough when the Iraqi guard told one of the men that he could no longer guard them? The guards were being threatned by the militants, and insted of zeroing in on this the police and military just let it go. The men were not smart about this either, they stayed. Our military could have stopped the kidnapping.

GPS systems should be implanted on every high risk person, for kidnapping. Our military could locate the militants, and drop bombs on them. Yes, the hostage may be killed, but it would be better than having those deranged, unstable, militants kill them. Plus after a while Iraq would be much more secure.

FreeBird - September 22, 2004 08:02 PM (GMT)
In MY opinion: BLAME President George W. Bush and HIS "Republican" CRONIES, THUGS, LIERS, CHEATS AND THIEVES :angry:

AMERICA has NO BUSINESS what so ever in THIS "War" with IRAQ!


Plain and Simple! End of story :angry:


REMEMBER "THAT" come ELECTION DAY...........AMERICA :angry:


Have a nice evening :) ................Andrew Pauluser posted image

SusanBG - September 22, 2004 08:51 PM (GMT)
I hope that bast__ Bush is not reelected. excuse me, (reappointed).

FreeBird - September 22, 2004 09:17 PM (GMT)
Me too ........me too :clap: :angry:

Here's hoping.......................Andrew Paul

ALGOREismylife - September 22, 2004 10:59 PM (GMT)
Yes, like I also said it is because of Bush and his evil cronies. Iraq is a bigger mess than ever thanks to this BS war. I also said this before and will stick by it all the way. The DAMN lying, thieving, lowlife racist republican BWT's are what is wrong with this screwed up world. Damn these arrogant fools. Let's hope that THIEF BUSH is not re-selected.

earthmother - September 23, 2004 01:20 PM (GMT)
CNN's resident curmudgeon Jack Cafferty asked the e-mail audience this morning what should be done about the beheadings in the Middle East. There were two excellent answers that came back:

1) When people no longer have to work three jobs to pay their bills, they won't have to go to places like Iraq to earn a decent living.

2) I wish CNN would stop showing all this grizzly news of beheadings and just make up good stuff like CBS. (!)

SusanBG - September 23, 2004 04:23 PM (GMT)
I'm sure Bush was counting on the fact that high job loss would steer our youth in to the military, and the other poor folks to jobs in Iraq.

The war on terror my a$$. The terrorists are cuting off heads left and right, and we are doing nothing to find these people. We let that clearic (sp?) walk out of an Iraqi city with his army, and wepons intact, after they killed many of our Marines. I would have shot the goon and his army. Who in the he!! made the decision to let him walk.

I'm growing to dislike being an American day by day.




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